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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Backwoodsman Date: 04 Sep 16 - 09:15 AM So...those who support blacked-up BM are 'biased', but those who are against it on the grounds of some imaginary 'offence' that 'might' be caused because it 'might' be linked to minstrelsy (for which they can provide no real, solid evidence, and even though those who have studied BM history and support it give clear evidence that it's a relic of historical disguising to avoid being identified), aren't? What strange, topsy-turvy, illogical thought-processes some people have. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: selby Date: 04 Sep 16 - 10:14 AM There aré lots of references here about how this issue affects border Morris. There are other traditions that black up for their reasons is it just border Morris sides the ban is on or all Morris's sides that have there own traditions steeped in history Keith |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Mr Red Date: 04 Sep 16 - 12:51 PM Shrewsbury Festival are trying to distance themselves from Folk. They want to be as big as Cambridge or Cropedy. Look at the headline acts. They have to book acts that are not Folk. And (as with Glastonbury) they will USE the word Folk until it interferes with the attracting of the wider public. Hence the pandering to "white middle class liberals". Whatever they say (well they would, wouldn't they), they are in it for business. Their Folk pedigree is illusory, their business is glamping but the festival might be more lucrative. The organisers don't use their real names in this parish either - read carefully. I welcome the face painting we see today, it is fashion, it is living tradition, it is evolution, it is FUN. But we have to hold on to some legacy. I suspect some of these "white middle class liberals" are history graduates who know nothing of the history of the people. Common working man is not "white middle class liberal" enough. Blacking-up has many roots; mimicing athletic tumblers (Morresque) from the near east/India, hiding identities so farmers (etc) don't recognise them at hiring fairs, disguise when begging at Xmas & Easter. Pick a century and add more reasons. The solution here is simple. Don't go to Shrewsbury! Towersey has better dancing - I can vouch for it. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Les in Chorlton Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:37 PM Thanks to MrSnail for this - give it a read if you ahve time: Wiki is helpful Best wishes |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Vic Smith Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:41 PM Just to establish some facts.......Blacking up as a disguise was banned by act of parliament in the 1700's so there is hard historical evidence that it was a recognised practice This is an interesting statement and I never seen reference to this legislation before. Googling it suggests the GUEST poster is referring to the Black Act passed by Parliament on 26 April 1723. Wikipedia tells us that this act was designed as a counter-measure to:- the Blacks [who]gained their name from their habit of blacking their faces when undertaking poaching raids. They quickly demonstrated both "a calculated programme of action, and a conscious social resentment", and their activities led to the introduction of the Black Act to Parliament on 26 April 1723; it came into force on 27 May. The Act introduced the death penalty for over 50 criminal offences, including being found in a forest while disguised, and "no other single statute passed during the eighteenth century equalled [the Black Act] in severity, and none appointed the punishment of death in so many cases". Following a criminal law reform campaign in the early 19th century, it was largely repealed on 8 July 1823, when a reform bill introduced by Robert Peel came into force. The societies of Bonfire Boys in my home town of Lewes all have a "Smugglers" section in their parades. Each member of that section will wear identical costumes - striped jumpers, blacked faces and identical caps pulled low over the forehead. These celebrate the various smugglers gangs which were very widespread in 18th century Sussex and for they dressed this way to facilitate disguise and to prevent individual identification. Those who benefited from poaching and smuggling were found in every class of society and the "Watch the wall my darling while the Gentlemen go by." attitude is well identified in Kipling's famous poem. It seems entirely likely that there is blacked up morris was influenced by Mistrelsy after 1840 but is seems at least equally likely that dancers were influenced by the popular "criminals" who brought some sort of relief, employment and satisfaction at least 120 years previously. The suggestion that black-faced dancers preceded the 1840 tour by the first American Minstrel parties seems to be very strong. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 04 Sep 16 - 01:54 PM If the historical & cultural evidence is convincing enough, hasn't any sensible credible person yet made formal approach to FRESh to try to convince them to reappraise their understanding and actions on this particular morris issue...??? |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,For it is he Date: 04 Sep 16 - 02:38 PM Mr Red exacerbates the silliness here by declaring what is folk and what isn't. No chance of a grown up conversation when those organising what looks like a cracking lineup get tarred by those who get precious about their own misguided genre constraints. As to the blacking up, most posts that cut through the crap, not just mine, mysteriously disappear. Since when did the land of Big Mac and Trump understand British traditions? Oh, they don't. Hence "moderating" perfectly reasonable posts. Is there an equivalent of Mudcat that is mature enough to actually discuss such interesting matters without juvenile moderation by confused foreigners? |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Linden Date: 04 Sep 16 - 04:17 PM Mac Donalds? I'll have a hung, drawn and quartered pounder, please, hold the pickle |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Steve Gardham Date: 04 Sep 16 - 04:51 PM Thanks, Les That Wikipedia article covers just about all of it. The last paragraph 'modern misinterpretations' is particularly useful. I like the final sentence which suggests that all of the influences on blacking up were probably relevant at different times in its evolution. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Stephen Foster's auntie Date: 05 Sep 16 - 06:33 AM Just responding to some "facts": "1. Border Morris has absolutely nothing whatsoever in common with Minstrelsy, although it would appear that Les in Chorlton is not clever enough to notice the difference as he keeps asking the question! To hopefully make it clear for Les, when did you last see a minstrel with a top hat decorated with pheasant feathers, wearing a tatter jacket and bell pads!" In fact, the repertoire and instruments used in Minstrelsy heavily influenced historic border morris. And in Shropshire there is historical evidence that it was known as "going niggering". "2. Blacking up as a disguise was banned by act of parliament in the 1700's so there is hard historical evidence that it was a recognised practice" Blacking up used by poachers is not the same as people blacking up to dance. Conflating the two things is fallacious academic practice. When Sharp was collecting morris dancing at the turn of the 20th century, he only came across two sides who were blacking up at that time; one would have been Bacup. So if we're being selective about evidence, one could argue that blacking up was never a significant factor in morris. This would be an equally fallacious conclusion to draw without further evidence, but you see how this works. "3. Morris is NOT sinister or pagan, earliest records of morris are 16th Century, and Suffolk diarist John Oakes records the morris men getting an allowance for bells from the parish church. Even what may appear to some to be a pagan dance, the Abbots Bromley Horn Dance, the horns are traditionally kept in the parish church, and blessed in and out!" While it's true that morris is neither sinister nor pagan, anyone who has seen the real Abbotts Bromley (as opposed to the "woo-woo" iterations) will know that it doesn't feel particularly pagan when they're prancing about to Isle of Capri. Also the practice of keeping the horns in the church is relatively recent - they used to be kept in the pub on the square. "4. Blacking up is very obviously not an attempt at caricature. The face paint is just part of an elaborate kit, and at the end of the day, black is just the colour of the paint." Blacking up NOW may not be an attempt at caricature, but there are very definite sources to link historic border morris with minstrelsy. The question is why so many dancers stubbornly refuse to acknowledge this link if they feel that what they're doing is okay. If you're going to "educate" those watching about the history of your tradition, you have to own *all* of that history. Not (ha!) whitewash the inconvenient bits. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 05 Sep 16 - 06:56 AM At least the west country Carnivals, most notably Bridgwater, made no rationalisations, justifications, or excuses for decades of blatantly racist blacking up. It was simply a culturally acceptable manifestation of the inherent racist norm of the era. I can't vouch if it has completely disappeared from carnival floats in this hopefully more enlightened 21st Century, as last time I watched it about 15 years ago I froze my bollocks off standing in the cruel winter rain and wind, and haven't bothered since... I've a vague memory they might still have been dressing up as 'comedy pantomime' china men and mexicans...??? |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST Date: 05 Sep 16 - 09:56 AM So the "Black Act" of 2016 will introduce punishment for "being at a Folk Festival with a blacked up face!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Jack Campin Date: 05 Sep 16 - 10:49 AM 2. Blacking up as a disguise was banned by act of parliament in the 1700's so there is hard historical evidence that it was a recognised practice The ban did not relate to dancing, but blacking up as camouflage (from the gamekeeper, not the prey) when hunting. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST Date: 05 Sep 16 - 02:06 PM I wonder how many African immigrants fell foul of the Black Act by mistake!!! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Bonzo3legs Date: 05 Sep 16 - 04:02 PM Hopefully the Black Act distinguished between a black face and a blacked up face!!! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: The Sandman Date: 05 Sep 16 - 07:00 PM "Their are no 'yellow skinned people' GSS" are you saying THERE are no yellow skinned people? may i draw your attention to the following, yelow girl sung by leadbelly. and this High yellow, occasionally simply yellow (dialect: yaller, yeller), is a term used to describe persons classified as black according to the one-drop rule, despite having primarily white European ancestry.[1] It is a color reference to the golden skin tone of some mixed-race people. The term was in common use in the United States at the end of the 19th century and the early decades of the 20th century, but is now considered obsolete and sometimes offensive.[2] It is reflected in such popular songs of the era as "The Yellow Rose of Texas" LES IN CHORLTON, for god sake get your facts right |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Mark Stevens Date: 06 Sep 16 - 05:13 AM Thank you everyone. Very informed reading Vic, but I was taught NOT to use Wikipedia for any research, whilst I was at college .. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Vic Smith Date: 06 Sep 16 - 06:05 AM I was taught NOT to use Wikipedia for any research Probably good advice.... but where do we go for reliable information these days? Just because books are written by academics does not mean that they are sources that can be trusted. Some highly qualified writers have written books in denial of the holocaust - yet there is firm historic evidence that it did happen. Recent events have shown us that as far as prominent politicians of a wide range of persuasions are concerned, we live in a 'post-truth' society. Even when I was at school, I can remember people coming out with statements and ending them with ".... and that is the Gospel truth!" and I remember thinking, "... but the Gospels are riddled with fantastic lies!" |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Ed Date: 06 Sep 16 - 06:18 AM but where do we go for reliable information these days? Multiple well referenced sources, i.e multiple sources that use multiple sources. That combined with a faculty for critical analysis |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: TheSnail Date: 06 Sep 16 - 06:53 AM hasn't any sensible credible person yet made formal approach to FRESh to try to convince them to reappraise their understanding and actions ... or to listen to what they have to say and try and understand their point of view. If nothing else you will stand a better chance of persuading them than by calling on a largely fictitious history and using Politcal Correctness as a term of abuse. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 06 Sep 16 - 06:55 AM If I remember correctly... My Polytechnic Humanities subjects degree back in the early 80s emphasised that whilst the subjects being studied were important, the primary priority was developing student's skills of independent critical analysis...??? .. probably why my sort have been such bolshy bastards all our lives...??? 😎 |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: TheSnail Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:10 AM Morris dancer, Munich 1480 |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,pauperback Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:11 AM Endurance is Strength |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Vic Smith Date: 06 Sep 16 - 07:15 AM My mate, Dave Hunt of Sunshine Arts, has posted this today on Facebook. I checked the website of the festival that he refers to in his post and there is no reference to this apology so I cannot offer multiple sources that use multiple sources to authenticate Dave's post. I believe , but cannot prove, that Dave was a performer at that festival, so it could be that this apology was sent by circular email; I can only speculate. However, my faculty for critical analysis suggests to me that it has a ring of truth about it. I cut and paste his posting with no alteration:- Now all you people who want to stay blacked-up....see this. and it ain't going to be the last festival to take this stance! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Ed Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:14 AM There is perhaps an echo of this idiocy in the Black Lives Matter protest at London City Airport this morning. Conducted by guess who? White people... |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Senoufou Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:33 AM My goodness Guest Ed, one wonders how on earth those protesters got airside and managed to manacle themselves together on a runway without being stopped immediately. Seems to be an enormous lack of basic security at City Airport! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:43 AM I'd personally like to maintain a balanced view on all this... Acknowledging the dubious racist taints of a tradition, whilst preserving it's continuation within a specialist informed educated rational perspective... Well.. that obviously aint easy.... btw.. I got an old black british made electric guitar which is clearly a poorly applied refinish of the original white paintwork... I'm fairly convinced that guitar is not, or ever been, knowingly racist.. Definitely not in all the time I've owned it....???? But it was hand crafted in a factory in Essex... So I can never be too certain... Any anti pc gone mad brigade want to argue passionately for it's right to continue pretending to be black...??? 😜 |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Uncle Tone Date: 06 Sep 16 - 08:44 AM Had the great pleasure of watching Hemlock Morris (Bedford) dance at Whitby Goth weekend recently. Some of them 'purple up'. It looks very effective and would probably solve the problem for all....... except perhaps the Purple People Eaters, who might be offended. Mind you, they also dance mixed morris, very well as it happens, and that probably offends the morris ring. As some great song-writer once wrote, 'You can't please everyone, so you gotta please yourself.' http://hemlockmorris.com/#/about-us/4532899968 |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Mark Stevens Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:44 AM Burnt cork was much easier to use, and wash off, than black grease paint. And it smells nice when preparing it through burning, too. Was it traditionally used amongst the agricultural working classes Morris ? |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Senoufou Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:54 AM I would've thought cork wasn't easy to procure, except as stoppers for bottles, and they may have been saved for re-use. I bet they used charcoal to blacken their faces, or perhaps lamp-black (oily sooty residue on oil lamps) |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Jack Campin Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:54 AM some anonymous racist liar writes: the Black Lives Matter protest at London City Airport this morning. Conducted by guess who? White people... The pictures clearly show people of various ethnicities involved, pretty representative of the population of London. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Ed Date: 06 Sep 16 - 02:31 PM Jack Campin posted: some anonymous racist liar writes Point 1, I gave my name. It was Ed, It still is. As far as I'm aware, that does not constitute anonymity. Point 2, I am not a racist, have never posted any racist comment and consider it highly offensive to be labelled as such. An apology for that wouldn't go amiss. Point 3, I am not a liar. The only picture on the BBC page at the time I posted showed only white people. Indeed, Jo Coburn brought up that very point on BBC2's 'The Daily Politics' which her guest, Green Party co-leader Caroline Lucas agreed with. Or are they racist liars too? That is all. Ed |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Steve Gardham Date: 06 Sep 16 - 04:02 PM Lamp black very likely, but they would have used whatever was at hand. Burnt cork was the popular concept but of course anyone with a few bob would be able to afford greasepaint. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Snuffy Date: 06 Sep 16 - 05:13 PM Soot and/or ashes would have been the easiest materials to acquire - much easier (and cheaper) than burning cork or getting charcoal. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:33 PM so basically a bunch of full grown 'mature' men are still amused & excited by face painting... ahhh.. aint that cute... Why don't they just admit their desires and needs and employ a proper specialist kiddies face paint artist to turn them all into lions, tigers, badgers, bunnies, pandas and dormice... [select other animal of your choice]...??? 🐵 .. they could even go full nude body animal paint and still strap on their bells and wave the hankies and sticks... that'd be real morris men heaven.....??? |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:49 PM Seems a natural inclination orig15.deviantart.net/622a/f/2007/203/9/2/sister_earth_by_selinakyle.jpg |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,pauperback Date: 06 Sep 16 - 11:52 PM ^^mine |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Senoufou Date: 07 Sep 16 - 03:34 AM In the late forties, early fifties,one saw many chimney sweeps. We didn't have central heating, everybody had a coal/wood fire, and the chimneys needed to be swept regularly. Sweeps were either on a bicycle or on foot, with their special brushes over their shoulder. Also, men delivered the coal in open sacks hoisted onto their backs from lorries, and 'shot' the coal into one's bunker behind the house. They wore thick leather protective headgear that hung down their backs. Both these type of workmen had completely blackened faces. Not just smudged, but totally black. And in mining areas (my aunt lived in County Durham for example) the men came off shift covered in coal dust, again, black as the ace of spades. No showers at the pithead in those days, but a tin bath in front of the fire in the living room. It did give the appearance of something a bit sinister and strange, all these unidentifiable black-faced men. So blacking-up for Morris dancing would have been seen as an extension of this, and nothing whatsoever to do with African-origin people at all. In fact, while living at the edge of London, I had never seen a black person, until Jamaicans began to arrive. I used to think as a child that they were chimney sweeps or coalmen, until my mother put me right. My point (after this long ramble) is that men with blackened faces were around long before we saw any African-origin people. So nobody was parodying or imitating them in any way. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,Senoufou Date: 07 Sep 16 - 03:45 AM punkfolkrocker, there's nothing childish about traditional costume and face-paint for dancing. Women as well as men dance in border Morris sides, and paint their faces too. No-one in a border Morris side would be seen dead waving a hanky. That's Cotswold Morris. I know quite a bit about W African traditions, and painting the face is practised there in almost every culture. Ivorian spirit dancers paint their faces white to look gruesome and strange, which adds to the sinister aspect of their dancing. Nothing about them could be described as cute or childish, it can be quite frightening and intimidating, (as it's intended to be). I don't much like your tone to be honest. A bit sneery and demeaning to men... don't you like watching Morris dancing? (or men??) |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Sep 16 - 04:55 AM Senoufou - shame you are getting the wrong end of the stick... I thought you would have gathered by now, my default mode is affectionate sarcasm... life is too painful otherwise.. Can't ever miss an opportunity for a mild piss taking laugh... friends or enemies, dished out in equal measure... [though I don't really do hate and enemies, never been that good at sustaining the ill feeling towards even the most despicable pillocks.. I even regard bonzo as a weird kind of disreputable mate... 😜] But beneath it all, there is always a serious subtext, with a remote hope that it might provoke more tangential contextual consideration on a subject, for any who might be bothered thinking further As it is, me and the mrs quite like what we see of the local [South West] Morris squad once or twice a year.. Even though it's obvious we know eff all about the intricacies.. We can watch them with a mixture of bemusement and enjoyment.. and admire their sheer determination to put on a good show in all weathers... There's one young lad, we have observed growing from a boy over the last decade, whilst the others in the team are now more portly and white / less haired... Mrs punkfolkrocker, almost feels like he is a distant nephew, she is so happy to see him improve year after year.. Good luck to 'em and long may they shake their sticks... All seems positive, cosy, and inoffensive... I'd actually prefer to see some of the more aggressively antagonistic controversial punk rock sides of morris.. but unfortunately not down here in bucalcoholic scrumpyshire..... ..and as you misconstrue malice in my writing, in this thread you could be seen as actively over pandering to and naively in denial, trying to account for and dismiss possible taints of racism in our folk world...???? .. guess it's all down to appearance and misinterpretation... Personally I think folks can get too worked up turning molehills into mountains and conflicts... FRESh may or may not be acting like bellends...??? But some of the black face morris side's more reactionary supporters definitely are...!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Bonzo3legs Date: 07 Sep 16 - 06:04 AM The hideous music inflicted on us by black people is infinitely more offensive than any morris dancer with a blacked up face could ever be!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Sep 16 - 06:17 AM see.. if I was a mod, i'd let that last outburst of bonzo's remain intact for posterity; damning evidence of the kind of mindset that apparently over-zealous organisations like FRESh exist to condemn and counteract... .. thanks for that bonz... |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Les in Chorlton Date: 07 Sep 16 - 07:17 AM " The hideous music inflicted on us by black people is infinitely more offensive than any morris dancer with a blacked up face could ever be!!!!!!!!! " Oh dear, oh dear ....... is the cat out of the bag so to speak? Is that all music of black origin or just jazz, blues, rhythm and blues, rock, soul and hip hop or would you like to be more specific Bonzo? We can't choose what kind of music we like - it just hits us and we either like it or we don't. If somebody is inflicting music on you perhaps you should try and escape you captors. Inflicting music has been used as a method of torture - I trust you escape. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Uncle Tone Date: 07 Sep 16 - 07:29 AM From: GUEST,Senoufou - PM Date: 07 Sep 16 - 03:45 AM Quote: I don't much like your tone to be honest. What have I said now? Oh. hang on. I'm not Punkfolkrocker's tone |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Bonzo3legs Date: 07 Sep 16 - 07:40 AM I am referring to hipperty hopperty, reggae gone wrong and worse only. I thank Peter Green for da blues - search John Mayall with Peter Green on youtube for the best unmatched blues guitar ever.......ah, I'm forgetting David Sanctious of course!!! |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: punkfolkrocker Date: 07 Sep 16 - 08:05 AM I used to have a baldy middle aged next door neighbour called Tone... Me and my mates thought he was just a boring old bloke, until we were in awe to discover he'd been to Eddie Cochran's last ever gig... Eff all to do with morris.... .. unless we want to tie in concepts of white folks adopting, modifying and making success out of black folks culture....????? 🙄 but not exactly as contentious these days as blacking up...??? |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,pauperback Date: 07 Sep 16 - 08:07 AM We had no Colored folk in our town either, the law was they could work there but had to leave before dark, so, my mom was watching a woman's girl while she was at work (I think). I was in my mother's arms the first time I saw her. I reached out my hand to touch her face, she bit me. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,In good company Date: 07 Sep 16 - 08:18 AM I am referring to hipperty hopperty, reggae gone wrong and worse only. Is this type of music only performed and enjoyed by black people? Do you refer to all the music you dislike as "The hideous music inflicted on us by black people"? I would also like that to stay for posterity and to show anyone who is of the opinion that racism is not an issue in the folk world. :-( D. |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: GUEST,pauperback Date: 07 Sep 16 - 11:17 PM Bonzo, I'm sure they grimace at your music too. Maybe get some earplugs - that'll show'em ( ^ : |
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Subject: RE: Shrewsbury FF to ban 'blacked up' Morris From: Bonzo3legs Date: 08 Sep 16 - 02:16 AM No no no no no no no, come to "diverse, multicultural" Croydon and you will hear exactly what I mean!!! |
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