BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Feb 07 - 07:00 PM

Curmudgeon of Sheffield writes:

Bang!!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: GUEST,Keith
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:34 AM

It is not as open and clear as you might think.

Someone at the BBC has put up a set of results on the website where Burlesque won Best Album. This has just given Phil Jupitus on 6 Music a few problems, because having believed the news braodcast saying Seth Lakeman had won both Folk Musican of the year (sic) and Best Album, he could only find one reference in the detailed list when he just read it out. I've capture the current form of the press release below, because I don't think it will stay like that for long, although with Smooth Ops, who knows where the [muddle] goes....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/events/folkawards2007/winners.shtml

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BEST GROUP – BELLOWHEAD

Formed by the duo John Spiers & Jon Boden, the eleven-strong big band made their debut at the 2004 Oxford Folk Festival and were named Best Live Act at the Folk Awards in 2005. Their spectacular multi-genre arrangements of traditional song are truly unique. The line-up includes acclaimed individuals like Benji Kirkpatrick (guitar, banjo, bouzouki, mandolin), Paul Sartin (fiddle, oboe), Pete Flood (percussion), Rachael McShane (cello, fiddle), Giles Lewin (fiddle, bagpipes) and Gideon Juckes (sousaphone, tuba).

BEST ALBUM – BURLESQUE: BELLOWHEAD BEST ORIGINAL SONG – DAISY: KARINE POLWART

The Scottish singer-songwriter took three prizes at the 2005 Folk Awards and followed up with her second solo album Scribbled In Chalk, full of typically moving and thought-provoking songs. Formerly a member of Battlefield Band, Malinky and MacAlias, she has a Masters Degree in Philosophy and abandoned a secure career as a social worker to work full time in music. In the last year her music has been heard on everything from the BBC's updated Radio Ballads to soap opera Hollyoaks and The Hairy Biker's Cookbook!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:37 AM

R4 Today have also just said that Freedom Fields won Best Album. Who indeed knows where the muddle goes?

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Tim theTwangler
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:48 AM

HHHHhmmmmmmm!
OH well Back to the grassy knoll!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 03:55 AM

Of course it isn't a fiddle.

Sorry............................

I may have a source here.........I'll see what I can find out....

Best regards,


Dave

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Scrump
Date: 06 Feb 07 - 04:04 AM

Of course it isn't a fiddle

No, it's a violin...

... ah... sorry, wrong thread.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: KeithofChester
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 11:34 AM

It will be interesting to see what revisions there are (if any) to the BBC Radio Two Folk Awards process after all this current "excitement" about competitions run by the BBC.

BBC Suspends Competitions

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 12:42 PM

Smooth Operations constant excuse for not naming the judges is because it stops record companies and publicity people trying to nobble them.

Here's another way. Name a list of judges.

It is very similar to the Sony Radio Awards - which a Smooth Operations production won last year.

But this will not stop the Folk Awards. You are under the mistaken impression it is a competition. It isn't it is a publicity stunt.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 01:22 PM

It was nice re-reading this thread and hearing Scrumps cyber voice again. I never knew him. But he must have been body and soul into this music.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 02:06 PM

I wonder if there is a window of opportunity here?

Certainly if one's voice could be heard in the higher echelons of power then I doubt Smoothie Chops' secretive judging process would survive.

Any suggestions how people might go about this?

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jul 07 - 02:32 PM

I have posted to the BBC Message Board about this. Any who feels that the BBC Folk Awards are as open and above board as I do, might like to read what I have said - and if they support it post to that effect.

Remember the board there is run by Smooth Operations.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Folkiedave
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 04:03 AM

refresh

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: KeithofChester
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 06:25 AM

I've added a post to your on the BBC Board.

BBC Folk Awards Thread

It would appear that every time Mark Thompson turns over a stone he finds a new worm on this one.

BBC Competition Story

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jul 07 - 08:50 AM

Best of luck mate. I just don't see any great conspiracy or skullduggery.

What you've got here is the rump of those guys who used to play the folk/cabaret places like The Boggery in the 1970's. They weren't much fun to be around at the time, nowadays they're an endangered species. In a way i would be sorry to see them disldged from their pathetic little nature reserve. Its their view of folkmusic.

I daresay its as valid as some of the half witted nonsense you encounter most days on mudcat.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 10:11 AM

Naming the judges seems to be the only feasible way of rescuing the reputation of the competition from the effects of last year' rolling low level fiasco. John Leonard, for example, issued a statement saying that only one judge had any financial interest in Seth Lakeman's succeeding in the votes(he avoids mentioned how said person voted, of course). It is a pity that he was forced to make this statement about one person's position, as if Seth Lakeman was somehow the problem. He wasn't, ansd it is very invidious to have him and his associates picked out like that. It would be infinitely better to name the panel, so that we could judge for ourselves on the people concerned. fRoots Critic's Poll seems quite acceptable, a broad range of knowledgable people tthat are identified in the published results.
    In view of the BBC's current preoccupation on where and when it has been deceiving people, obviously the topic of last year's competition is being revisited. I think we are a bit overdue for a statement on when and if the next competition is going to happen, run by who, and with what rules. I still find the whole sorry business last year extremely puzzling, and SmoothOps various statements on the subject in no way clarified things, quite the reverse. It still puzzles me who these people can have been who are meant to have voted in that very inexplicable way.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 10:50 AM

Here, by the way, are the raw results of the fRoots Critics Poll; not sure what happened when they added up the votes to see what got most.
http://www.frootsmag.com/content/critpoll/critics_poll_2006.pdf

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 10:52 AM

Funny, I thought that would be a clickie. Not sure how to turn it into one, maybe someone could help?

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards- Open and clear
From: KeithofChester
Date: 28 Jul 07 - 10:59 AM

http://www.frootsmag.com/content/critpoll/critics_poll_2006.pdf