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Thread Proliferation Control

Tinker 03 Mar 03 - 03:52 PM
GUEST,The Dreaded Guest 03 Mar 03 - 04:04 PM
The Shambles 03 Mar 03 - 04:07 PM
GUEST 03 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM
Big Mick 03 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM
Bill D 03 Mar 03 - 04:20 PM
GUEST,The Dreaded Guest 03 Mar 03 - 04:24 PM
Lepus Rex 03 Mar 03 - 04:31 PM
Big Mick 03 Mar 03 - 04:35 PM
Big Mick 03 Mar 03 - 04:41 PM
Lepus Rex 03 Mar 03 - 04:58 PM
GUEST,? 03 Mar 03 - 05:07 PM
Big Mick 03 Mar 03 - 05:09 PM
Amos 03 Mar 03 - 05:15 PM
GUEST 03 Mar 03 - 05:47 PM
CarolC 03 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM
Jack the Sailor 03 Mar 03 - 06:01 PM
GUEST 03 Mar 03 - 06:06 PM
catspaw49 03 Mar 03 - 06:07 PM
katlaughing 03 Mar 03 - 06:16 PM
Rustic Rebel 03 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM
Joe Offer 03 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM
Amos 03 Mar 03 - 07:23 PM
CarolC 03 Mar 03 - 07:24 PM
Don Firth 03 Mar 03 - 07:39 PM
Bill D 03 Mar 03 - 07:42 PM
CarolC 03 Mar 03 - 07:55 PM
GUEST 03 Mar 03 - 08:22 PM
The Pooka 03 Mar 03 - 09:04 PM
The Pooka 03 Mar 03 - 09:16 PM
GUEST,Janetryan 03 Mar 03 - 09:32 PM
*daylia* 03 Mar 03 - 09:38 PM
*daylia* 03 Mar 03 - 09:41 PM
Jack the Sailor 03 Mar 03 - 09:46 PM
Jeri 03 Mar 03 - 09:57 PM
*daylia* 03 Mar 03 - 10:10 PM
*daylia* 03 Mar 03 - 10:22 PM
GUEST 03 Mar 03 - 11:28 PM
The Shambles 04 Mar 03 - 02:11 AM
Mark Clark 04 Mar 03 - 02:46 AM
The Shambles 04 Mar 03 - 03:22 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Mar 03 - 07:22 AM
Nigel Parsons 04 Mar 03 - 07:26 AM
The Shambles 04 Mar 03 - 07:44 AM
Ralphie 04 Mar 03 - 08:16 AM
The Shambles 04 Mar 03 - 09:12 AM
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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Tinker
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 03:52 PM

Sorry, your behavior is way beyong my tolerence levels. No more.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:04 PM

Excuse me for butting in, but what's the big deal about identities? I make no great effort to cover up who and where I am. Any computer-savvy third grader could figure it out. And if some Mudcatter wanted to zero in on me...zero away. And the govt? I HOPE some drudge is assigned the chore of reading my posts, because I will make him or her SEE that the beast he/she is serving is going to chew up THEM after it gets finished with me.

I think we should all post our addresses and send each other valentines cards with hate messages scrawled inside them.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Shambles
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:07 PM

We are a group, a whole. We are together because we share at least some common interest. We may not all see eye to eye on everything, but the Mudcat IS the sum of all its parts. I challenge you to make it work.

Will those that profess to like the forum read this, rise to this challenge and finally stop censoring/shaping and responding/feeding the many-named ones and doing it all in my name?

We may not see eye to eye on everything and we don't need to.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM

Here's a hate message for you: GO AWAY! GO VOMIT YOUR CONSIPIRACY THEORIES SOMEWHERE ELSE!!!!! I HATE YOU! I'M VOTING YOU OFF THE FORUM!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:09 PM

Right on, Dreaded one. It isn't about identity, but it is about being responsible for what you post. This person gets the attention because s/he abuses the anonymity to spread a great deal of ill will. I could care less who someone is, but when they threaten the forum with their irresponsibility, that is another serving of champ.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:20 PM

"On March 3 (today), the CIA might release a bioweapon at Mardi Gras."

SURELY the "World Prayer Center" in Colorado Springs, led by the famous Ted Haggard, can prevent this!

And if, in a week or two, we DON'T have thousands of dead people in New Orleans, from Ebola or some other nastiness, it will either be because prayer worked...or the CIA is just looking for a better time...or the Illuminati have bigger fish to fry, or....maybe because no one even thought of it except you!

sheeesh! (it's past 3:33 where I live, and just approaching it in New Orleans...'scuse me, I gotta go scan CNN for breaking news!)


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST,The Dreaded Guest
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:24 PM

Use a neuron, Bill. If you rely on CNN for your news, you're watching an admitted army psychological-operations program. And Bubba bin Laden won't be apprehended for 8 days under my scenario.

Anyway...Mick...what is 'responsibility'? I think it's subjective. I know who is responsible for Sept 11, and I would be derelict to my oaths to the U.S. Constitituion if I didn't do all I could to 'protect and defend' the country from the people responsible for that crime.

So I point out the obvious about our govt of organized criminals and then question a lot. Chemtrails? We're not talking about a single farmer in a crop duster...I'm talking about the air forces of many nations. It merits discussion. Constant terror alerts threatening us with bioweapons?...well, then, when I see New Orleans becoming a Federal district right before another 'Pearl-harbor-like' event is needed to get the public behind a genocidal war, I have to ask questions.

And in asking those questions, I try to show people the reasoning behind what brought me to my conclusions. To me, that is responsible behavior.

I've made a concession to Mudcat in using a consistent handle, so I don't know what else I can do. You folks are on my list of forums to post this stuff to, so I'll be here from time to time in the future. Just don't read my posts.

Last night I was looking up the threads I've posted to here, and I was struck by how much you folks like to argue. HUNDREDS of complaints about 'having to read this stuff'. Do you know what an insight that gives into yourself? You don't believe what I'm posting, you know who is posting by the handle, but you 'have' to read the post. You think I'm making things up, lying, so that must mean you 'have' to be lied to. Amazing. You don't feel right unless you think you're being lied to.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:31 PM

As entertaining as your paranoid delusions are, Mick, they're really starting to cross over the line from "town drunk funny" to "crazed loner creepy." If you took every post by, uh, the person you call "JR WAMSO Matriot GUEST karen, samantha," and put the name "catspaw49" or "Jeri" in the From: spot, your responses would have typically read something like "Hah-hah, well said, old chum!" It is all about anonymity, your insecurity, and whatever other personal problems you have that make you think this idiotic witch-hunt is something a normal human being would do.

The only thing missing from your rants were quotes from your close, personal friends, Jimmy Carter, Nelson Mandela, and Pope John Paul II, on how much they dislike anonymous GUESTs.

Take a moment to think about the things you're saying and doing. Stalking people is creepy. Why not pick on someone your own "size," and not such an easily despised target as a GUEST?

Personally, I'm beginning not to like the idea of some of you "clones" having the level of power here that you do. Some of you are way too involved to be impartial and fair. (Yeah, yeah, I know: "Love it or leave it." You're still fucking sell outs. :))

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:35 PM

I enjoy your posts, DG. I think you are nuttier than a fruitcake, but in a way that I enjoy. And you are provocative in an interesting way, that is always good. One would only need read the difference in your posts and karen Samantha Matriot et al, to know the difference. Your intent is to be provocative and challenge folks to think. This other poster does that at times, but ultimately slips back into the attack and destroy mode.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:41 PM

Lepus, I have disliked you and your posts for quite a long time. But I never have sensed that your intent was to run stupid games and hurt the forum or the people on it.

It is people like this that have changed this forum and caused it to border on being irrelevant. Some of the very best posters no longer come here. I am no longer willing to sit by and watch it happen. I hope others feel the same way and say so. If not, the twisted folks win.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Lepus Rex
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 04:58 PM

Gosh, Mick, I don't dislike you. I just dislike what you're doing, lately. I think what you are doing is harmful to the forum and the people on it. I think you, and unfriendly people like you, have driven off more people, mainly newcomers, than anyone. You are "run(ning) stupid games" with your persistent attacks on those percieve to be conspiring against you.

As you said, "some of the very best posters no longer come here." True, and unfortunate. But to blame this on anon. GUESTs, me, and others is silly. People come and go now like they always have. I know you'd like it to be 1998 again, with your cozy little group of buddies. But this isn't then. If I'm not mistaken, the Mudcat is more popular now than ever. But you say it's becoming "irrelevant?" Obviously not to most people. Relevancy is not determined by your ability to adapt, Mick.

---Lepus Rex


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST,?
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:07 PM

Why not change the label from "GUEST" to "TROLL?" From what I've seen, it seems like it'd be much more accurate.

Back to watching for those Billy Goats Gruff-


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:09 PM

Please accept my apology for saying I didn't like you. I did not mean that, and I do not feel that way. I really have come to disagree with much of what you post, but that is distinctly different from not liking you. I hope you will forgive that part.

I don't perceive this person and his/her ilk to be conspiring against me. I do perceive them as using the Mudcat for their own perverse aims. To deny that is so is simply to live in denial. You and I will have to disagree on that.

In fact, I would not want to go back to 1998. I simply want those that come here to be able to have the same kind of experience.

But.........I digress. I would be happy to exchange PM's about what you see as my problem. In the meantime, if people are upset that I am exposing someone who is trying to make them look foolish, I am sure they will tell me. But I will still be attempting to stop these destructive acts at every opportunity.

Mick


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:15 PM

Nor is it defined by your ability to be nasty, Lepus. I cannot believe that you fail to understand the point that it isn't anything to do with anonymity. It is all to do with hiddenness. They are too entirely different things. You for example, are entirely anonymous to me, but you have the guts to sign consistently so I have a sense of your being SOMEONE, even though I have no idea who in real human terms. See the difference?

Freedom and irresponsibility don't survive well together. One of them usually drives the other out. What has driven some of the really responsible and intelligent voices away has been (a) drivel and (b) vitriol. How about a pact -- let's discourage both!

A


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:47 PM

Oh, so now it's about having the courage to be consistently anonymous, then? Right. REAL men post anonymously, consistently. Got it.

This society THRIVES on freedom and irresponsibility. It has regularly produced masterpieces of such--SUVs, MTV, the Bush administration, and too much sugar.

Also, if the problem is simply too much drivel and vitriol, you'll have to drive most every member and guest of Mudcat out of the forum to clean it up. Members using consistent names, even their own, are some of the worst perpetrators of drivel and vitriol, in fact. Good standard though. Pretty soon we'll have a folk and blues music forum for saintly netizens. That'll be fascinating.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM

I just want to say that I think the change that I'm seeing right now in the Forum Home page, with the BS threads together at the bottom of the page, is brilliant!! Well done!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:01 PM

I like it too!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:06 PM

I, the *&^% guest (fill in your own blanks) also think it is an excellent idea, and said so here:

TECH: As Above So Below

If it is more appropriate in the BS section, move it. But I thought everyone might like a chance to give credit where it is due!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: catspaw49
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:07 PM

Looks a lot better to visitors doesn't it? All thanks to Jeff here. Another great job!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:16 PM

An elegant solution, Jeff. Wonderful! Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM

I agree- linking the BS together is ok by me.

Guest- post 4:09, that was pretty distasteful and full of malice. Your not a very happy camper are you?

Amos- I started a UFO thread that brought some interesting conversation and fun. I don't regret that I did that.

Now I'm thinking it's time for a Mudcat St.Patrick's day tavern. Time for music, fun, and frolic!   Did someone fix the hole in the roof?

Peace. Rustic


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 06:20 PM

Jeff and I were wondering how long it would take somebody to notice. I think Carol wins the prize. Her message was posted about half an hour after the change took place.

Jeff did the programming, of course. I don't remember whose idea it was, but I think maybe I'll claim credit for it. I've been bugging Jeff to do it for at least a week - but maybe it was his idea in the first place. Anyhow, I think it works better than thread consolidation, but you may still see some consolidation at times.

As for the long list at the top of linked threads, we haven't come up with a solution. As I said, it works well when there are no more than about twenty items to crosslink. It does get a little awkward in large groups like the PEL group. We have a lot of reasons for doing the crosslinks. It introduces people to interesting threads they may have missed. Also, we hope that maybe people will see the variety of existing threads and post to one of them, instead of starting yet another thread on the same topic.

Anyhow, congratulations, Carol. You have a sharp eye.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Amos
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:23 PM

RR:

I enjoyed the UFO threade. Why wouldn't I. When I say "drivel" I am talking about "Anyone seen my moggie?" threads.

A


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:24 PM

Thanks Joe.

Great job Jeff!!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Don Firth
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:39 PM

I just popped on minute or two ago.

Outstanding, guys! Great idea!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:42 PM

well...I was surfing elsewhere, or *I* would have won the prize...I saw it immediately when I returned...*pout*

and I 'think' it is a good solution......Thanks Jeff, and whoever thought it up...it is a simple application of the BS filter, with the option of looking when you want to...


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 07:55 PM

I also just want to say that no GUEST has ever made me feel foolish. They just don't have that much power over me.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 08:22 PM

From Big Mick:

"Lepus, I have disliked you and your posts for quite a long time."

"Please accept my apology for saying I didn't like you. I did not mean that, and I do not feel that way."

Is that Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde talking?

More Big Mickisms:

"In the meantime, if people are upset that I am exposing someone who is trying to make them look foolish, I am sure they will tell me."

From CarolC:

"I also just want to say that no GUEST has ever made me feel foolish. They just don't have that much power over me."

From Lepus Rex:

"As entertaining as your paranoid delusions are, Mick, they're really starting to cross over the line from "town drunk funny" to "crazed loner creepy"...Take a moment to think about the things you're saying and doing. Stalking people is creepy. "


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Pooka
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:04 PM

The High Wall of Separation! (And now, in *this* corner -- *Together Again* -- LURCH & HATE!! Let's give it up forum ladies and gentlemen...) Thank you, Joe and Jeff! Excellent. Nice work. Solomonic, bedad. Split dat ole baby. / 'Scuse me now, I gotta go draw my Bathwater.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Pooka
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:16 PM

Of course there may arise some threads concerning which it becomes a puzzle to decide, for placement purposes, Which type izzit? Especially when Creep approaches Crossover. (Say, does a BS thread ever evolve into mostly Music? Why not?? :) But then again: So Wot? You can't Legislate for all the Exceptions. Hard cases make bad law, dear kindly Joe Yer Honor. / Screw it, flip a coin when it happens. We can find what we want.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST,Janetryan
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:32 PM

No I am not the Janet Ryan who may or may not exist, I simply wanted to get your attention by using that name. If there is already someone posting to the forum under this name, I won't use it again. I'm a semi regular and have had a run in with one of the people who seems to enjoy making a fool of everybody in this thread and the group mind one.

This has gone on long enough. Joe and Mick, shame on you. I know you've never been mothers with ten year old children, but surely you've had enough personal or indirect experience to recognize BRATS!

That's what you have here on the forum, and there's not a mother alive who doesn't know how little brats operate. They get bored and they disrupt, and as long as they are treated the way they are here at Mudcat, they'll continue.

Do you honestly think these empty threats about revealing information do anything but make them chuckle with glee? You are obviously too gentlemanly, or simply too darn 'folkie' to carry through your threats and the 'brats' know it. They use all the little 'brat' tricks that mothers are so familiar with, especially 'divide and conquer'. All three brats that I can see, the anonymous ones and LR use that trick constantly when they talk about us or we. Don't fall for it and keep arguing back, it makes you look silly. I at least hope you wouldn't be arguing with three ten year olds.

If you want your little piece of the net to be a friendly spot a bit less nasty than what's usually out there, block access for the brats until they decide they really do like it here. Please stop arguing with them. Do something other than make empty statements that little brats can see right through and you'll have very little need to control anything in the future.

Bev B.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:38 PM

When I logged in after work tonight and started scrolling down the list of threads, I experienced a brief moment of rather intense disappointment as in Oh no! They've actually decided to delete all the BS!!

*Whew* so glad that's not so! This change makes it a lot easier to find the threads I'm looking for. Great idea - and thanks so much to all the forum moderators for doing what you do. Now I'm off to listen to Homer, if Kat's link is up and running yet...

Cheers!   daylia


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:41 PM

And I just noticed the little BS clicky at the top of the page - another brilliant idea! You guys are awesome - just had to say that!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:46 PM

I don't want people to troll for me. I certainly don't want to take the bait. I've started this new practice of skipping a post the minute I determine that it is a troll. For example I have read exactly this much of the previous thread.


"No I am not the Janet Ryan who may or may not exist, I simply wanted to get your attention by using that name."

That was enough to tell me that the person was not making an effort to communicate and thus was trying to waste my time and energy.
So far the results are excellent, lower blood pressure, no grinding of teeth and no desire to lash out. Ahhhhhhhh, y'all should try it. Nine out of ten dentists recommed it.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 09:57 PM

Jack, you knee-jerked. You didn't read it so you wouldn't know, but the person who posted the message you quote from is absolutly right.

Trolls are brats. Unfortunately, they've found a lot of other brats to play with. People who LOVE these stupid, painful flame games and never never NEVER know when to put a sock in it. For some, 2 or 3 years ago would have shown signs of an ability to learn or at least a willingness to forego personal jollies for the good of the group. Fat friggin' chance.

Welcome to "Lord of the Flies."


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 10:10 PM

BTW - How did Janetryan's and Jack the Sailor's last posts end up on two threads at once (this one and the Mudcat Group Mind)???? A cyber-mystery perhaps?   

daylia


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: *daylia*
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 10:22 PM

Never mind - I see now they did it themselves. Must be too tired to read properly - sorry bout that.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 03 - 11:28 PM

Its about time!


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 02:11 AM

In the meantime, if people are upset that I am exposing someone who is trying to make them look foolish, I am sure they will tell me. But I will still be attempting to stop these destructive acts at every opportunity.

Not in my name please.

Please finally accept that the intentionally destructive acts cause less real problems than the well-intentioned responses.

If you do wish to do something in my name Please just IGNORE them?


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Mark Clark
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 02:46 AM

Very nice change guys. Thanks again for another job well done.

      - Mark


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 03:22 AM

This was coloured Brown.

As for "And then they came for me," you're right that it is applicable to PEL's, but it also applies to a much wider spectrum of situations. It gives great insight to German history, and it applies in a very frightening way to the USA Patriot Act and the "Homeland Security" legislation. It is certainly appropriate for it to be on your thread listing PEL links, but it will not be included in the PEL thread grouping. That decision is final.
-Joe Offer-


I think Joe that you have rather missed off of your list a rather important relevance that this particular thread has.

But Jeri said, only in black and white.

The thread that was grouped with PELs and was unlinked - well I did the un-link - it was fairly obvious to me that, while that thread could be related to PELs, it was also related to other issues going on. I watched that thread and the Help Forum (correcting mistakes is the reason it exists). Not one word. I'm just guessing, but I'd bet Joe never got a PM about it either. This silence led me to believe the un-linking was the right thing to do. The thread is now back in the group.

??? Is it re-linked or is un-linked again?
And earlier (also in brown)

One of the beauties of this place is its spontaneity, so I want to be careful not to exercise too much control
-Joe Offer-


Perhaps those who thought that they had read this thread can go back and see what (brown) additions have been made?

Joe can you please decide if you are going to confine your personal views to the forum, as one of the lads, where they are not the FINAL word, or to your brown comments non-negotiable and intrusive 'Big Brother' role made after the event?

I don't think that you can really expect us to accept that you can have it both ways. Or do you?
Sounds like manipulation to me, a spoiled kid running to Mommy when Daddy's decision is unsatisfactory. I talked with Jeri about this, and we are in agreement. The decision is final, and the thread has been removed from the PEL group. The consensus in the thread in question was that it should not be included in the PEL group. The only dissenting voice was that of Shambles.
I put my personal views in regular messages. The brown comments are official.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 07:22 AM

The division seems to be working, in the last 40 minutes messages have been posted to 10 threads in the upper part, but this is the first in the BS.
Possibly some may not have noticed the moving of the BS, as they use the same system I do of scrolling down until they reach a message already marked as read, and assume there is nothing new further down the page.


Nigel


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 07:26 AM

I've just also noted that posting to a BS thread, you automatically get 'jumped' back to the top of the main list, not the BS. As the message only jumps part way up some may think their post hasn't made it, and while they would spot that on re-entering the thread, and so not re-post, it is possible that someone might duplicate a Newly created BS thread when they don't spot it at the top of the list.
Nigel


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 07:44 AM

The only dissenting voice was that of Shambles.

Who just happened to be the originator of the thread and whoever that originator was, their views and wishes should be respected and perhaps their opinion could be sought before any action is taken?

I did not ask for the thread to be linked to the other PEL threads, the linking just happened, following the fact that I had included it my thread with all the PEL links- fair enough.

Jeri then decided it was a mistake and unlinked it. Following my comments, she very kindly re-linked it and now Big Brother Brown has decided to ignore all that and finally decide that it will be un-linked again...............And then accuses me of manipulation?

This is a very small issue, does it really need to be treated in this heavy, unfriendly and plainly unecessary way?
Max said.
We are a group, a whole. We are together because we share at least some common interest. We may not all see eye to eye on everything, but the Mudcat IS the sum of all its parts. I challenge you to make it work.

Does this make me a brat then? Is anyone who does not agree with Joe, and by this apparently challenges his authority, a brat and to be treated as all the other brats are? Is this really the way to make Max's vision work?

Then they came for me

Am I really the only person who finds Joe's Big Brother - brown comments in this thread intrusive, offensive and unacceptable and completly at odds with the spirit of Mudcat and the thoughts and wishes of Max?


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Ralphie
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 08:16 AM

Shambles
To answer your last question....
YES
Regards Ralphie
But, I do appreciate and support your stance on the PEL issue, as you know.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: The Shambles
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 09:12 AM

Wait till they come for you.......*Smiles*


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 11:25 AM

No Shambles, you aren't alone. Clearly there are others who share your views, and they have said so in this thread.

I just posted to the "TECH: As Above So Below" thread the following remarks on the subject, which certainly bears repeating in this thread where it is happening with an alarming frequency:

"I see a serious problem still with Joe and clones making "editorial" attacks on individual users of the forum, whether members or guests.

I also see a serious problem with clones masquerading as guests to post personal attacks on forum users. If forum maintainers behaved like that in the business and education discussion forums I'm in, they certainly wouldn't be forum maintainers or administrators for long. It is completely unprofessional."

"


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 01:21 PM

Jack, you knee-jerked. You didn't read it so you wouldn't know, but the person who posted the message you quote from is absolutly right.

No Jeri, no a knee jerk, a deliberate strategy to mke my experience on the Mudcat more comfortable. I've just read the "janetryan" post and I stand by my decision. I agree with nearly everything that she says and she does say it quite well and with much less acrimony than many, but that opening statement was enough to tell me not to expect civility, to expect some name calling, and that the author is going to continue with the SOS that pollutes an otherwise very nice on line community.

The term "Brat" is a perjoritave and does not belong in polite conversation. It looks as though she uses it to refer to "Anon Guests" and to LR (Lupis Rex?). Are not personal attacks on members, ie name calling, dissallowed under the rules of conduct of the MudCat? It seems to me that personal atacks on "Guests", if anything, is worse. The culture here seems to reward name calling, acrimony and attacks on "GUESTS" does anyone besides me see how wrong that is. In some cases it means heated attacks on some people who appear to me mentally ill. Insults and personal attacks on ANYONE, don't help to build a community. They do quite the opposite. I may be nice for some to have an entire group of people to "beat" when they get "uppity", but the practice demeans the MudCat and reflects badly upon all of the members.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 01:26 PM

Amen to that, Brother Jack the Sailor. About time some member spelled out the double standard for the Mudcat Royals, in no uncertain terms.


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Subject: RE: Thread Proliferation Control
From: Amos
Date: 04 Mar 03 - 02:03 PM

Sham:

You are confused, that's all. All this horseshit about censorship has gone to your head, I think. There are clearly two classes of voice at workhere-- those promulgating unhappiness and those offering constructive thought. No-one has censored your right to say anything -- except personal ad hominem attacks.

Doesn't it seem to you, Roger, looking back over this long, dull discussion that there has been a real CARLOAD of whinging here?

It does to me.

Whinging and whining and complaining about something to which you add nothing, own nothing, and contribute only turbulent confusion is really a low-class act. I see an awful lot of it, and I find it actually repels. Now why would some buncha low-lifes want to take something decent and turn it into something repulsive? Hmmmmm?

Hard to imagine what sort of bizarre mindset could sustain an intent so base.

A


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