Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'

Subject: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:16 AM

Only recently discovered Kate Rusby personally and so enjoy this cover of "You belong to me", complete with the accent, that I thought I might share it with you...What a voice      
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP6us-ZeiSk
Best wishes, Mike.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Big Phil
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:58 AM

Georgiansilver,

I live 2 miles from Kate, we all have the same accent, but we do not have the same voice.

Phil*

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 12:55 PM

Really love the accent...especially the way she sings 'jungle'

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 01:34 PM

How exactly would to expect her to pronounce jungle?
It's a two-syllable word permitting a not too wide scope for linguistic variation.
A post of this nature does really require a health warning.
People might be trying to eat.

There's a Vietnamese proverb: A not too tight tie ties tightest which implies that those who set out to 'own' others are people traffickers.

If you love me love me truly
if you don't, please tell me so.
Ever differing the truth
like a debt is even sadder.
Listen, temple bells are tolling
birds call from the woods and mountains
and the cock has long since sung.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Big Phil
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 02:12 PM

Diane Easby

I am afraid your post has gone right over the top of my head.

The poster was only saying Kate sings with a strong Yorkshire accent, what is wrong with that.

Phil*

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 02:43 PM

Diane Easby's posting

and Shakespeare wrote a play about this. Much Ado About Nothing.


if someone can't perform the simple act of posting something that's pleasant....

Georgiansilver, Thank You for posting that link :-)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 02:55 PM

I am afraid your post has gone right over the top of my head

Clearly.

kRusby sings in a Yorkshire accent.
I know. So do I.
There is, however, but one way to pronounce 'jungle'.

The song You Belong To Me displays archaic and distasteful connotations of one person claiming 'ownership' of another.
This is vomit-inducing.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:13 PM

And since Much Ado is mentioned, I'm struggling to see a connection between a sitcom set in Sicily and a piece of Vietnamese poetry.
Do Claudio, Hero, Benedick and Beatrice feature in a volume I've missed?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: the button
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:15 PM

Gotta love that patriarchy.

Then again. Traditional song minus patriarchy = small repertoire, no?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:34 PM

I'm a big Kate Rusby fan also, but I gotta say I don't like her version of this classic song much. She lost all the great melody and made it sound like a thousand other folky ballads.

Great voice though.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 03:54 PM

Ms Easby...you make the following statements.          >>>>>>>>>kRusby sings in a Yorkshire accent.
I know. So do I.
There is, however, but one way to pronounce 'jungle'.<<<<<<<<<<
Can I suggest a little research into dialect, as there are many ways in which the word 'jungle' can be pronounced...try not just Yorkshire but Liverpool, Birmingham, South Africa for just three of what could be a list of many pronunciations.
Kate Rusby sings in a Yorkshire accent...you know!!!...so do you!!!! Never heard you sing so can't comment except that I have heard Kate, who is obviously much more well known than yourself as a singer and I believe she has a great voice and accent.
The theme that the song conveys is perhaps a little distasteful but does not detract from the overall presentation, especially her cover of it.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:03 PM

I was refering to your post..umm..let's call it

'How exactly would to expect her to pronounce jungle?'

but I see the same reference could probably apply to your second posting, which we can call 'I know. So do I.'

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:08 PM

"Joongle" is the only way to pronounce it, is it?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:11 PM

Can I suggest a little research into dialect

Don't need to. Been there. Done that. Got the MSc in Linguistics.
In mainland Britain there are two academically-recognised dialects.
Lowland Scots and Yorkshire Dales.
Not Barnsley.

The song is shit. Haven't heard the kRusby do it.
I'm just guessing but have no reason to expect that it's any less boring than all the rest.
But she's a 'nice' person.
As June Tabor always says (not necessarily about her), just don't expect me to listen to it.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:15 PM

I've also had the misfortune of hearing Easby sing

I doubt that.
But if you did and it offended you, good.

Can't stand kRusby?
I've just said she's 'nice'.
Now, piss off and soip pretending to 'know' me.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:22 PM

"Joongle" is the only way to pronounce it, is it?"

Aye Lass/Lad
*LOL*

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:27 PM

Stomach turning?
Ah, I think I've got who you are, having had news of a sailing trip this afternoon.
Another passenger certainly turned a little green.

I courted a sailor . . . omigod!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: the button
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:27 PM

Nah, the way forward is clearly the very short "u". The "oo" sound is a transpennine affectation. ;)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:29 PM

"Then again. Traditional song minus patriarchy = small repertoire, no?"
It would be wouldn't it?
as someone said once

"you cannot reform our forefathers"

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Fadge Boy
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:35 PM

Sailing, me?

That's a bit prissy for someone who's spent as long on trawlers as I have. Still, that's probably too grand for your end of the street.

And, no, I'm not John Prescott.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:35 PM

well...so what's wrong with someone courting a sailor? My Dad courted a Wren, and the rest, as they say, is history ;-) *LOL*

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:36 PM

Get a room, you two.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: the button
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:37 PM

'"Then again. Traditional song minus patriarchy = small repertoire, no?"
It would be wouldn't it?
as someone said once

"you cannot reform our forefathers"'

An example: -

"A blacksmith courted me, nine months & better,"
So women are just passive recipients of male courtship are they, you revolting sexist pig? Also, I note with some disgust that the period of courtship is nine months -- a clear allusion to the normal period of gestation, thus reducing women (once again, I might add) to their so-called biological function as childbearers.

"He fairly won my heart, wrote me a letter."
Ah. So now we get to the crux of the matter. Rather than contest gendered norms of employment, you chose to be courted by a male blacksmith. Could you not find any wimmin blacksmiths (or "diversesmiths," as I choose to call them)? Shocking. Truly shocking. And as for your being impressed that he could write you a letter, I suppose this speaks volumes about unequal access to basic education in a patriarchal society.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:40 PM

I think a Bold Fisherman analogy might be more appropriate, in the circumstasnces.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Fadge Boy
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:42 PM

I'm not sharing a room again with Crazy Man Michael, especially after the haddock incident.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:46 PM

somewhat akin to The Goat In Boots Incident, the details of which cannot be revealed for fear of scaring the politically correct*LOL

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Cluin
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:49 PM

Would that be like Led Zeppelin and the mudshark?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Fadge Boy
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:50 PM

Michael, I told you twenty years ago that if you ever mentioned the goat I couldn't be held responsible for the consequences (or the goat's offspring).

Now you've gone and done it so I have no option but to let the more inbred members of my family hunt you down. And it won't just be frozen peas through your letterbox this time!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:51 PM

oooops..ummmm fer gawdsakes don't mention Led Zeppelin or Black Country Girl in here, the traddies get REALLY worked up about that one*LOL*

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,Crazy Man Michael
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 04:53 PM

sorry that should have read Black Country Woman...:-D

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:39 PM

Diane Easby, you further state.>>>>>>>>>>Don't need to. Been there. Done that. Got the MSc in Linguistics.
In mainland Britain there are two academically-recognised dialects.
Lowland Scots and Yorkshire Dales.
Not Barnsley.<<<<<<<<<<<<
Your will to win arguments or debates certainly outweighs your so called MSc knowledge in Linguistics....and for someone so qualified, why would you wish to use expletives? Did your studies leave you so lacking in vocabulary that debasing your utterances has to suffice?
For someone who claims to have "Been there. Done that" you certainly lack any finesse.
Two academically recognised dialects?......So Cornwall and Devon dialect is not recognised, neither Liverpool or Birmingham? Oh and Geordie?....not recognised dialects or is that some other figment of your imagination?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:42 PM

No. They're fucking accents.
Now piss off.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:43 PM

That's the Diane we all know and love!!! ROFLOL

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 06:44 PM

The playground torment!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:29 PM

1776. "Land waste for five years is called jungle." From Hindi and Maratoi word jangal. Jangle, jingle jungul. OED.

The Youtubby- Who cares, the woman can't sing.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: GUEST,folkie
Date: 07 Aug 07 - 07:35 PM

Quotes from Diane in this thread:-

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kRusby sings in a Yorkshire accent.
I know. So do I.
There is, however, but one way to pronounce 'jungle'.


In mainland Britain there are two academically-recognised dialects.
Lowland Scots and Yorkshire Dales.
Not Barnsley.

The song is shit. Haven't heard the kRusby do it.


They're fucking accents.
Now piss off.
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Given that one of the original drifts of this thread was that someone liked the way that KR pronouced 'jungle', does it matter if its a dialect or an accent? If it sounds different it sounds different.

All I can think is that DE is either just winding everyone up or she deserves pity.
Either way, perhaps it's better not to comment further but just leave her to her sad existence.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 01:40 AM

The 'f*lkie' with upper/lower case difficulties said:

does it matter if it[']s a dialect or an accent?

In order to discuss diction accurately, obviously it does.
However the thread's 'original drift' was to inveigle the unsuspecting into listening to irrelevant MOR crap.
That's a wind up.
Either that or a demonstration of extremely poor taste.
So someone else started the 'lending CDs to beginners' thread, to discuss actual real music and get away from the pathetic rubbish being pushed in this one.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Big Phil
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 03:21 AM

Diane Easby,

You are just a wind up merchant, you do post a right load of tosh. I feel sorry for you.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 03:23 AM

And another thread bites the dust! Thanks for that link Mike, I enjoyed it at least.
                   Flamenco, the only path.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 03:46 AM

What I talk about mostly, 'phil who has lost his star', is English music with roots in a tradition.
If you think that's tosh, I'd suggest you are in the wrong place entirely.
kRusby (and Pure) have an agenda: to push what she produces onto mainstream playlists.
kRusby, who I've met only a couple of times, seems very nice.
I'm sure she is just that. Who she is isn't quite the point. It's what she does.
Her music may be considered 'nice' too, if you happen to like that sort of MOR pop.
A recording of a dreary, dated mainstream song of the 'moon in June' genus does not a thing to promote English music, even if it is rendered in an English regional accent.
To post a link to her performing it can only be a wind-up at best and the result of imposing it on the unsuspecting could do immense damage the image of English music.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 04:14 AM

I don't know about anybody else, but I feel very uncomfortable with this hostility between people who obviously haven't met each other.

Diane ( I think it was you) you should say sorry for calling GS a pervert a few weeks ago. he's not. He's a decent chap and seriously does his best to be an okay guy.

You are entitled not to like Kate Rusby (and god knows who else), and like Eliza Carthy (and god knows who else) - by accepting or rejecting what they do - it helps you define yourself as a singer. Something which is importatnt to you - and no one knows how important that is to an artist, if they ain't in there doing themselves. the vehemence with which you reject is understandable to me (I've done it myself so I understand). To people who don't wake up in the morning and reach for the guitar or fiddle - it just comes over as a vicious temperament.   I'm sure that's not the case.

Both Kate and Eliza are entitled to call themselves folksingers. They both hang around with folk musicicians in folk clubs. they both make a sincere creative effort.

Now try and be nice.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 04:28 AM

You are entitled not to like Kate Rusby

Yes, I am but I don't 'not like' her.
I scarcely know her and she'd be hard put to recognise me, I'm sure.
That would be mainly because I'm rarely where she is, for obvious reasons but absolutely not personal.
What I am annoyed (and quite alarmed) about are attempts (for whatever reason) to pass off what is clearly not rooted English music by any stretch of the imagination as just that.
I'm not telling anyone what they should like. That would clearly be pointless. Listen to what you like. What I'm calling for is dispassionate accuracy.

[And the sort of predatory behaviour at music venues that GS seemed proud to have indulged in is perverted to me and I'll be continuing to criticise it].

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 05:58 AM

GS is one of the least threatening, and least predatory people you could ever meet - if you met him - you would know this immediately. I cannot imagine how this misunderstanding has taken place, but I can imagine that your characterising him in such a way will cause him distress.

Whatever you and I and Jim Carrol think. (I'm picking the three most opinionated Britgits I can think of!) there really isn't a gold standard as far as folk music is concerned. We can think our own thoughts, but to express hostility and agresssion to others about those opinions - well it makes us look stupid. Its an inflation of our own self importance in the context of world affairs.

It relly is self demeaning - losing it (to the extent of abuse and unfriendliness), over minute gradations in our beliefs about what is folk music.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 06:26 AM

I never think about 'what is f*lk music' because the term is, nowadays, so degraded as to be totally meaningless. I won't even use the word and am in favour of it being binned forthwith.

Trying to argue that, for instance, kRusby droning out a tired old standard is what English music IS, causes vast damage to what it actually is. I'm quite certain she won't be in the slightest upset at the knowledge that I don't much like vast swathes of what she does; she's making a living at it and providing work for some of this country's best musicians and will doubtless keep on doing what she does. And so will I.

As I said higher up, dispassionate accuracy are the keywords. If you happen to like baroque, atonal jazz, techno grunge, early C20 cowpat Gilbert&Sullivan or brass bands that's fine but it doesn't become 'English f*lk' overnight just because you say so.

I'm unable to see it as a 'minor gradation in belief' when mouthy blokes who don't know me and certainly haven't seen me perform yell that I'm talking 'tosh' when spelling out in minute detail what precisely I'm talking about after they've failed lamentably to get it the first time, largely because they're so self-absorbed with scouring the countryside in packs on the pull.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 06:52 AM

Thank you for your input Al....the incident Diane is referring to was printed on a thread entitled "Best thing seen in a Folk Club"...and I remembered in the 1960s...yes the 1960s....being in a Folk Club and seeing an absolutely beautiful girl walk in with her boyfriend and all eyes were on her.....even the women.......Diane took exception to this and decided...because of REPEAT a 1960s incident, that I am some kind of pervert. I was tempted by several friend on here to take legal action for libel but felt it unwarranted and perhaps rather petty. If Diane decides to present herself as some kind of self styled, all-knowing, feminist, wind up merchant then she should be treated as such. She just never grew out of the playground attitudes and expletives.
As for Kate Rusby...at least I have heard her singing and seen her perform...Who is Diane Easby anyway?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Dave Roberts
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 07:05 AM

I loathe all this bickering and pointscoring nonsense, but I think the song is lovely and Kate's performance is wonderful.

I can't, for the life of me, see why anything else needs to be said.

If you don't like it, don't listen.

And I wish I had a pound for every time someone on Mudcat has tried to make that simple suggestion, seemingly to no avail.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 07:08 AM

What the hell does it matter who I am?

It is precise definitions of music for the purpose of intelligent comparison and discussion that are at stake here.

As it happens I have been involved in music journalism and research since before GS embarked upon his intimidatory pursuit of women. I have not, however, done a paid gig for 30 years (and never in Lincolnshire) and so people can draw their own conclusions about the very odd lies which fly about surprisingly often from those who claim to have seen and heard me where I was not.

GS (and others) admitted quite blatantly to ogling women rather than keeping his eyes and mind on the performance. My concern is to ensure that music venues are safe for women to be. At the time many women contacted me offlist about how intimidated they had felt when on the wrong end of predatory behaviour at venues but were too scared to speak out. I'm not.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 07:18 AM

yeh well some performances are like that....

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 07:28 AM

I know Georgiansilver and he is a thoroughly decent bloke. What a load of bollocks this thread has become.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby, 'You belong to me'
From: Fudged
Date: 08 Aug 07 - 07:39 AM

That Diane Easyb's a right laught in't she? should be on the telly (alongside Papa Doc and Mao Tse Tung)
Swears a helluva lot for someone so well educated . Strange paradox in her reluctance to type the word folk (go on - do it, just for me).
This thread is indeed a complete load of bollocks - but it's had me chuckling for the last wee while.