BS: Palin v. Gore...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 02:37 PM

Only someone from cloud nine (Ban Ki-Moon of the UN and the Swedish PM) could expect nations with very different aims and problems to agree on a definite program, let alone arrive at a "legally binding" treaty.
The EU may act as a unit, but all others will contribute as they see fit and as they become affected.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 02:53 PM

The green view of Copenhagen.

here

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: pdq
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 03:33 PM

"The Copenhagen climate change summit will go down in history, but for reasons very different from what the thousands of people who fight the blistering cold every day, were hoping for." ~ Mohammed Yahia (19 DEC 2009)

{from the site linked to by Ake}

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 04:52 PM

Q,

I thought that the Bush/Cheney energy plan was "wastage"... No???

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Dec 09 - 05:12 PM

Tye Bush/Cheney plan was wastage of soldiers and civilians and taxpayers money in a far off place.

Energy, if you are referring to petroleum, had nothing to do with it, or if they were thinking of that, that was piling stupidity on stupidity. Unless the U. S. took Iraq over as a colony, there would be no way to exercise control over their petroleum reserves.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 11:40 AM

You're under the impression that it's not a US colony?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 12:40 PM

If Chinese, Malaysian, British, Russian, Norwegian as well as U. S. companies getting to develop their oil is any sign, they are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 12:45 PM

If you look back to administration statements before the invasion. There is a good case to be made that they expected to be a colony, and a self-financing one at that.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 01:59 PM

My exact point, Q... Total wastage everywhere you look... A waste of oil... A waste ot lives... A waste of treasury... A waste of demoestic policies that could have helped the working class... Etc... Now wonder Cheney doesn't want folks to know *exactly* who his co-conspirators were...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 02:13 PM

Careful, Bobert, if Cheney runs in 2012, his co-conspirators will be looking for you. Maybe a couple of them are here at mudcat. 'One never knows, does one?'

I will agree that the war in Iraq was a terrible waste, just as the war in Vietnam was. Not only that, but it stirred up and consolidated enemies.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 05:10 PM

Maybe Cheney will come in person, Q... I'd like that very much... Yes, very much...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:19 PM

Well, colonies aren't official anymore. They're done unofficially now, and the surest sign that a place is a colony is when it is very obviously occupied by a foreign military force of a greater power which is in position to enforce the wishes of the colonizer...or else! Russia used to do that too in places like Aghanistan. Such places aren't called "colonies" anymore because the politically correct rules have changed. They're called "allies" now, generally speaking, but they are in fact colonies. Iraq is a tripartite colony (Shia section, Sunni section, Kurdish section) under the thumb of Anglo-America. They have a superficial measure of political sovereignty...just like Najibullah did in Afghanistan when the Russians were there, but they are still a tripartite colony under foreign guns. If all Anglo-American forces were withdrawn, you'd see that situation change quite rapidly as war broke out again between the Kurds, Shias, and Sunnis. Whoever eventually won would establish a new and independent Iraq, and I doubt it would be a dear friend of Anglo-America.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:43 PM

Evidently Palin claims in her book that her daughters got threats of violence when they were in Juneau schools. We don't tend to believe it- neither the school administration nor the police department have any record of any such charge. And I happen to know that both of the girls were popular in their classes.

I suspect Palin is so down on Juneau that she made it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:55 PM

Palin makin' stuff up, Eb??? Horrors!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 07:56 PM

Still it bears looking into. The threats might have been coming from Al Gore.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 08:08 PM

I know, Bobertz, it does sound unbelievable. :)

Rig, it must be me but sometimes I just don't follow you. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Dec 09 - 08:29 PM

They may have been coming from the APP. A lot of chimps are ticked off because she turned down Chongo's offer to run as his VP or future Secretary of State in 2012.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 06:49 AM

"Rig, it must be me but sometimes I just don't follow you. :)"

             Still, it's nice that you keep trying. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:11 PM

I think Little Hawk's got something there. I can easily see Sarah Palin as second banana to a chimpanzee.

(Hmm. That conjures up some weird images.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:28 PM

:), Rig

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 12:32 PM

Yes... (grin) But apparently Sarah doesn't see herself in that role.

Never forget that Ronald Reagan got out-acted by a chimp. It's a serious possibility that the average chimpanzee would do a considerably better job in office than the average human president has done in the past 5 or 6 decades. We just need to get public consciousness in America to move past the "bamboo celing" and we will find out...when Chongo Chimp gets elected.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:01 PM

Yeah, Poor Ronnie! He never did get the good lines in the movies, such as "I'll be back!" Or, "Go ahead, punk! Make my day!"

Somehow "No, no, Bonzo! Go on the paper!!" Just doesn't have quite the same ring. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: EBarnacle
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:05 PM

We would also need a constitutional amendment to allow him to run. It is my understanding that he was conceived and born in Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:22 PM

Of course, chimpanzees are native to Canada. We don't have them much down here.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:49 PM

That is also my understanding, Rig. Off in the upper corner of Canada it is warm, leafy and humid- perfect for chimps.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 01:59 PM

Sarah Palin told 'biggest lie of the year'
Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has won the dubious honour of telling the biggest political lie of the year.


By Paul Thompson
Published: 5:36PM GMT 21 Dec 2009

Former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin Photo: AP

A panel of experts ruled her claim the Obama administration was planning to introduce "death panels" was chosen as the most misleading statement of 2009.

Palin, 45, made the claim on her Facebook page at the height of the debate over President Obama's plans to reform the US health care system.


She wrote: "My parents or my baby with Down syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide whether they are worthy of health care."

But the website PolitiFact.com found that there were never any plans to introduce so called "death panels" to decide who should live or die.

According to the website Palin's statement on her Facebook page generated a huge controversy and was mentioned almost 6,000 times over the next two months.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 02:37 PM

You have to admit she has talent. A real, eye-catching story. Her death panel story, in various reincarnations, shows up in 'pass it on' emails, especially in the south and states with a large evangelical population. I have received several.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 02:43 PM

The problem is that that kind of talent, the world can live better without.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:04 PM

I just want to clear up one thing. Chongo was NOT conceived and born in Canada. He was conceived and born in west central Africa (exact location uncertain). It is also untrue that Chongo, when elected, plans to establish death panels to do away with people who use the specist term "poopflinger". They will not be exterminated, they will simply be fined and then beaten severely with a rubber hose to teach them a good lesson!

That was 2 things, wasn't it? Okay, so I'm not perfect. Sue me.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:27 PM

But isn't poopflinging an essential part of politics?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Amos
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:47 PM

Only for simians...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 05:59 PM

Hmmm. Good point, Don. But you mustn't call it "poopflinging", because that would be specist!!! Remember...it isn't about what actually happens or about what is actually done or intended or accomplished...it's ALL about avoiding the use of words that offend various constituencies. That must not be permitted! Let's just keep our priorities straight now.   ;-)

Yes, politicians engage in smears, rumours, outright lies, evasions, disinformation, cynical character attacks, unscrupulous use of innuendo, etc....but for God's sake don't call it "poopflinging" unless you wish to get a lot of primates very, very upset.

Amos, we all know who YOU are working for. Humph! Enough said! (walking away with deeply offended look that clearly says, "Mister, your credit is all used up around here!")

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 06:09 PM

A
nother of these illegal aliens? A member of a visible minority? Is he here to steal our nutpickers nuts?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 06:16 PM

He's a landed immigrant. Came across from Africa on a banana boat in the late 20's.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 07:30 PM

How did you make his acquaintance, Litle Hawk? If I rec'lec c'reckly you are a tad younger.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: EBarnacle
Date: 21 Dec 09 - 11:43 PM

Even so, the Constitution states that he must be born an American citizen...

Of course, if he becomes born again in the U.S., that raises and interesting question for the Religious Right. Do they support him as born again in America or start a "Birther" controversy a la Palin?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 12:08 AM

That would probably depend heavily on what policies he decides to publicly support or oppose when he campaigns, Ebarnacle. ;-) Chongo is a bit of an oddity politically since he is quite reactionary in some respects but quite liberal (if not downright radical) in others. For instance, he is totally in favor of gun ownership and wishes to encourage it as much as possible, but he is totally opposed to USA military adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan. He wants to cut the Pentagon's funding in half and dismantle the Federal Reserve and put the dollar back on the gold and silver standard, but he favors loosening up the liquor laws and giving 16 year-olds the vote. He believes women should be equal in every way to men, but insists on his right to still refer to them as "dames" in any case. He's in favor of interspecies marriage. He wants to revitalize the space program and send men and apes to Mars by 2018 and do it not as a USA effort, but as an international effort representing all nations since "this here planet is all one place, one home, and we oughta act that way". He wants to end pointless confrontations between political states and find common ground through trade and cultural exchange. He wants to reclaim forestland worldwide, get off oil dependency, and fund alternative energy projects of every kind. If he handles it cleverly he could reach right across party lines with these courageous policies. On the other hand, if he screws it up he could end up registering less than 1% of the vote...

Ebbie, I met Chongo in O'Hare Airport on a trip I made once to the west coast. We got to discussing Edgar Rice Burroughs books, found that we had both read them all in our youth, and it was the beginning of a great friendship. That was back in '88. Chongo is an amazingly long-lived and healthy chimp for his age. He attributes this to a steady diet of "cigars, whiskey, danger, and dames". I personally think he's just got a very, very tough constition. Most people (and apes for that matter) would have died long ago if they carried on the way Chongo does.

Chongo realizes that it's unconstitutional right now for him to be president, because he wasn't born in the USA, but he figures that...

1. there will be a constitutional amemdment changing that in the next couple of years because...

2. Obama will do it to shut up the birthers, thus depriving them of their issue, and...

3. The Republicans will cleverly back the amendment so that they can run Arnold Schwarzenneger next time and capture the White House!!!!!!!!

The only thing that will be able to save America from a Schwarzennegger/Palin presidency that will rapidly become a full-blown dictatorship beginning in 2013 will be to vote in Chongo's APP in 2012!

Keep this in mind, folks. You know what you will have to do next time to avoid total disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 12:47 AM

Hell, Little Hawk, I'll vote for him! I'll even campaign for him. Let me know when the time comes!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 12:48 AM

And will you move to Chicago, Little Hawk, so you can vote for him? I know, I know that you have to wait five years before you can become a naturalized citizen but hey, no one can stop you working for him.

On the other hand, are you sure you would want to live in a country of which he is the President? Garbled sentence but then so are...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 10:35 AM

Well, it would take a lot to get me to move to Chicago...I've seen Chicago from the air! Ouch.   ;-) And I love being in Canada. However, I am already doing work for Chongo. I would certainly consider helping him with his campaign in 2012.

Would I would want to live in a country of which Chongo is the President?

Yeah. I think it would be fun and exciting. The only problem would be all the damn cigar smokers everywhere. And the gunfights and drive-by shootings on main street. However, no place is perfect, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 11:38 AM

It does sound exciting.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 01:02 PM

"The only problem would be all the damn cigar smokers everywhere. And the gunfights and drive-by shootings on main street. However, no place is perfect, is it??"

Well . . . Chicago, after all. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 01:13 PM

Chongo will need the backing of the Chicago machine to get anywhere in politics.
This means providing lots of pork at all levels.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: EBarnacle
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 01:56 PM

Pork is definitely safer than bush meat.
On cigars, Chongo and the Governator are certainly equal. Ditto in their respect for dames. Actually, Chongo may come out a bit ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 02:08 PM

Chicago politician from Africa? Its a small world ain't it? Is Kenya in West central Africa? I demand to see a birth certificate! And even if the Republican governor of Hawaii vouches for him, I'll demand to see it again!

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 02:40 PM

Chongo has an absolutely profound respect for "dames", Ebarnacle. He has always been a perfect gentleman around women. Matter of fact, he pretty much worships the ground they walk on...still he won't let himself be henpecked or pushed around by the object of his worship either. He is as chivalrous as can be, but he's no wimp or pushover! This is a good combination of characteristics for a male. He exemplifies all of those masculine qualities ascribed to the noble heros in women's romance novels...aside from the fact that he's not 6 feet tall with chiseled acquiline features that look like Rex Morgan or Paul Newman or Viggo Mortensen. His dentition is every bit as good as Scharzenneggers. Maybe better, because he doesn't have that unsightly gap between the 2 front teeth like Ahnold does.

Unfortunately there is no original birth certificate. Chongo's folks were not literate, they were bush apes. Nobody had I.D. in his family back then.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 06:17 PM

Fifteeen mnutes with Ms. Sarah and Chongo will be askin', "Little who???" so ya' might as well keep him safe in Canada, LH... He ain't ready fir this...

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 09 - 08:16 PM

The next campaign will be 'slice and dice,' to put it politely.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 01:28 AM

It's way too early to predict anything about the next campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Palin v. Gore...
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Dec 09 - 08:43 AM

Okay, what the heck...

...300!!!

BTW, last I looked Ms. Sarah still had poor ol' Al in a headlock and was flailin' away on him...

Wherer's a ref when you need one???

B