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Subject: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 27 Sep 11 - 06:53 PM I don't like his warmongering. Why the hell is he bombing Yemen? And why did he say he didn't need congressional approval to bomb Libya? I hated Bush's baseless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and Obama's continued those and begun even more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: kendall Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:14 PM I agree. War is like drugs so easy to get into and so hard to get out of. We have been in the war business for many years. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: kendall Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:22 PM The news tonight featured a business that makes wreaths for the graves of fallen military. A spokeswoman stated that is is so good to live in a country where there are no bombs falling! If I knew who she is I'd educate her. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:31 PM Here's the deal... War as we know it is obsolete... It has become state-of-the-art... Drones... Hey, I'd much rather see *US* using drones than sending one wave of kids after another up a hill to get killed... If we have intelligence that folks are out to commit terrorist acts then take them out... Just be darned sure that the intelligence is accurate... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 27 Sep 11 - 07:48 PM Tell the people in Yemen that war is obsolete. Convince them that drones are superior to hand-do-hand fighting. The war on terrorism is a lie. If Muslim terrorists are such a threat, then how many Jewish synagogues were blown up today in the U.S.? How many this month? This year? It's all a lie, concocted to take away your rights. And it looks as if Obama is going along with the lie just as willingly as Bush did. Obama needs a primary challenger, one who's opposed to the wars that are helping to bankrupt America. Dennis Kucinich comes to mind. He's anti-war. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:06 PM Bobert, our military people commit terrorist acts. And they have been doing so for a long time. Are you in favour of "taking them out" too? The Third World people who fight them are called "terrorists" or "insurgents" when they resist foreign occupation of their own lands...whether it be by the USA, Great Britain, Canada or Israel...plus other members of what are, in truth, colonial powers of the western alliance, which is NATO and Israel. The colonies of that alliance aren't officially called "colonies" anymore, but that's what they are, and it's done to control oil and other vital resources and to enable strategic positioning in regards to competitors in the game of empire such as Russia and China. **** I have also been utterly opposed to Obama's foreign war policies ever since he was elected. I suspect McCaine would have been as bad or even worse. The only politicians I can think of who really have stood up against those war policies are Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:11 PM Okay, ya'll... Send in the Marines and grunts to get killed... That's the alternative... But, yeah, if we had better foreign policies then we wouldn't be having this discussion... We need to realize that the largest reason that we have folks wanting to mess *US* up is because of the Israeli/Palestinian situation... Solve it and we turn the corner... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:16 PM BTW, in case ya'll hadn't noticed but if Jesus was president He'd be in the same trick bag as every American president finds himself when it comes down to the Israeli/Palestinian slobber-knocker.. B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:34 PM Yup. That's the 900-lb gorilla in the room. The Israeli/Palestinian problem. And then there's the oil. I think there are huge forces in play steering American policy that no American president can do much about, except at dire peril of losing his own life while in office. I'm not surprised that Obama has done so little to live up to the enormous expectations people had of him...I'm just disappointed. But it was clear even before he got elected that he was going to continue the basic imperial policies in regards to both foreign wars and Israel. He's doing what the military and the corporations want him to do, in my opinion, and that's what they all do once elected. Or they die in office. John Kennedy died in office. I think he was the last president who dared to oppose the military-industrial complex. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Janie Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:52 PM I voted for Obama also. Given the choices available he was the best candidate for the job. Given the choices that will be available in the next election, I think it likely he will be the best candidate for 2012 also. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Janie Date: 27 Sep 11 - 08:55 PM LH, I think if Kennedy had lived long enough to serve out his terms, you would have been sorely disappointed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:04 PM Obama doesn't HAVE "foreign war policies", other than making 'damned if you do and damned if you don't' judgments about developing situations. Hitler had "foreign war policies"....and to a lesser extent, Bush had "foreign war policies". Obama is juggling 14 balls, and trying to counter asinine criticism at home while he tries to decide whether to drop balls 9 & 12. Gee... why doesn't he just read Mudcat and see that several local experts have it all figgered out! And you are correct, Kucinich and Ron Paul would have "foreign war policies"...one policy fits all. Slogan: "stay out of everything unless we are directly attacked". Very neat...and wouldn't various forces & countries around the world LOVE to hear that they had at least 4 years of Paul or Kucinich "foreign -non-war policies" to bank on? Like that diplomatic blunder when we 'indicated' to Saddam that we "had no interest" in what happened to Kuwait. KaBOOM! If you armchair pundits were getting the daily briefings that Obama is, you 'might' see it ain't that easy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Rapparee Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:10 PM Where do you get the notion the US is bombing Yemen? I just checked Al Jazeera and they have not, and do not, carried anything on this. The Yemeni Defense Minister survived the second attack on his life by a suicide bomber, but nothing about the US bombing Yemen. Please cite your source -- I'm really interested, and I'm not being sarcastic. As for Obama, I think he'll be the best choice next year -- sigh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Janie Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:30 PM Well said, Bill D. As usual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Ed T Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:35 PM "I voted for Obama, but" it did not count because I'm a Canadian:) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:37 PM I've looked for a news source on Yemeni bombings. Can't see where the US is involved. I too would like to see a source on this, no offense meant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 11 - 09:46 PM I shouldn't be left unsaid that Obama has had the strongest push-back from the opposition party since Lincoln... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:12 PM LH says ... "John Kennedy died in office. I think he was the last president who dared to oppose the military-industrial complex." Hmmmm .... you think so Kennedy came into office committed to increasing defense spending and upgrading and modernizing America's military, (he feared the "domino theory") .... this commitment led to Vietnam ... His administration sent in 18,000 advisors. It authorized the use of napalm , defoliants, free fire zones, and jet planes. As janie said .... "you would have been sorely disappointed" biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:17 PM What biLL said... Kennedy didn't take on the military/industrialists... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:20 PM I should also add .... 'Camelot' was a fairy tale, sadly, much like the election of Obama was. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:30 PM Bobert and Bill: "Kennedy didn't take on the military/industrialists..." No, he just didn't pander to their agendas. The MIC took him on, and it culminated in Dallas! Jeez! No wonder folk/bluesers have become irrelevant these days! I think the read their news in fortune cookies! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:38 PM Yahoo search for "Yemen drone bombings" http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AuwXGp5Xu9yrEFJE6sUN6n6bvZx4?p=yemen+drone+bombings&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701 U.S. Is Intensifying a Secret Campaign of Yemen Airstrikes nytimes.com Yet another illegal war -- now in Yemen salon.com CIA to operate drones over Yemen washingtonpost.com Those are just the first three in the stack. The U.S. is building drone factories in the region. Within two years (I think this was in Wired Magazine), drones will be self-determining when it comes to targeting. Swarms of drones will be launched, each set with parameters, and no human decision-making will be involved in the killing. This under Obama, the Nobel Peace Prize Winner. Do you people really have no knowledge of this? The Obama administration is using Africa as a charnel house experiment for drone warfare. A yahoo search of "Drones self-aware" http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oG7kquhoJOKHIAT0ZXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDUCMyNzY2Njc5BF9yAzIEYW8DMARjc3JjcHZpZANMNVJZUzBvRzd2NmFIUG A future for drones: Automated killing washingtonpost.com This Man Is Not an Agent of Self-Aware Killer Drones wired.com Coming Soon From the Air Force: Mind-Reading Drones wired.com Just the top three in the stack. Sanitizing warfare doesn't make the perpetrators any less guilty of butchery. Obama is killing en masse. And he's acted illegally in not acquiring the consent of congress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:38 PM By Jeffrey T. Kuhner The Washington Times President Obama has engaged in numerous high crimes and misdemeanors. The Democratic majority in Congress is in peril as Americans reject his agenda. Yet more must be done: Mr. Obama should be impeached. He is slowly - piece by painful piece - erecting a socialist dictatorship. We are not there - yet. But he is putting America on that dangerous path. He is undermining our constitutional system of checks and balances; subverting democratic procedures and the rule of law; presiding over a corrupt, gangster regime; and assaulting the very pillars of traditional capitalism. Like Venezuela 's leftist strongman, Hugo Chavez, Mr. Obama is bent on imposing a revolution from above - one that is polarizing America along racial, political and ideological lines. Mr. Obama is the most divisive president since Richard Nixon. His policies are Balkanizing the country. It's time for him to go. He has abused his office and violated his oath to uphold the Constitution. His health care overhaul was rammed through Congress. It was - and remains - opposed by a majority of the people. It could only be passed through bribery and political intimidation. The Louisiana Purchase, the Cornhusker Kickback, the $5 billion Medicaid set-aside for Florida Sen. Bill Nelson - taxpayer money was used as a virtual slush fund to buy swing votes. Moreover, the law is blatantly unconstitutional: The federal government does not have the right to coerce every citizen to purchase a good or service. This is not in the Constitution, and it represents an unprecedented expansion of power. Yet Obamacare's most pernicious aspect is its federal funding of abortion. Pro-lifers are now compelled to have their tax dollars used to subsidize insurance plans that allow for the murder of unborn children. This is more than state-sanctioned infanticide. It violates the conscience rights of religious citizens. Traditionalists - evangelicals, Catholics, Baptists, Muslims, Orthodox Jews - have been made complicit in an abomination that goes against their deepest religious values. As the law is implemented (as in Pennsylvania ) the consequences of the abortion provisions will become increasingly apparent. The result will be a cultural civil war. Pro-lifers will become deeply alienated from society; among many, a secession of the heart is taking place. I would add that, he has also granted hundreds of waivers to groups, organizations and companies that supported his canidacy, who claimed hardship if not excluded from Obamacare. dwr Mr. Obama is waging a frontal assault on property rights. The BP oil spill is a case in point. BP clearly is responsible for the spill and its massive economic and environmental damage to the Gulf. There is a legal process for claims to be adjudicated, but Mr. Obama has behaved more like Mr. Chavez or Russia 's Vladimir Putin: He has bullied BP into setting up a $20 billion compensation fund administered by an Obama appointee. In other words, the assets of a private company are to be raided to serve a political agenda. Billions will be dispensed arbitrarily in compensation to oil-spill victims - much of it to Democratic constituents. This is cronyism and creeping authoritarianism. Mr. Obama's multicultural socialism seeks to eradicate traditional America . He has created a command-and-control health care system. He has essentially nationalized the big banks, the financial sector, the automakers and the student loan industry. He next wants to pass "cap-and-trade," which would bring industry and manufacturing under the heel of big government. The state is intervening in every aspect of American life - beyond its constitutionally delegated bounds. Under Mr. Obama, the Constitution has become a meaningless scrap of paper. To provide the shock troops for his socialist takeover, Mr. Obama calls for "comprehensive immigration reform" - granting amnesty to 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. This would forge a permanent Democratic electoral majority. It would sound the death knell for our national sovereignty. Amnesty rewards lawlessness and criminal behavior; it signifies the surrender of our porous southern border to a massive illegal invasion. It means the death of American nationhood. We will no longer be a country, but the colony of a global socialist empire. Rather than defending our homeland, Mr. Obama's Justice Department has sued Arizona for its immigration law. He is siding with criminals against his fellow Americans. His actions desecrate his constitutional oath to protect U.S. citizens from enemies foreign and domestic. He is thus encouraging more illegal immigration as Washington refuses to protect our borders. Mr. Obama's decision on this case is treasonous. As president, he is supposed to respect the rule of law. Instead, his administration has dropped charges of voter intimidation against members of the New Black Panther Party. This was done even though their menacing behavior was caught on tape: men in military garb brandishing clubs and threatening whites at a polling site. A Justice Department lawyer intimately involved in the case, J. Christian Adams, resigned in protest. Mr. Adams says that under Mr. Obama, there is a new policy: Cases involving black defendants and white victims - no matter how much they cry for justice - are not to be prosecuted. This is more than institutionalized racism. It is an abrogation of civil rights laws. The Justice Department's behavior is illegal. It poses a direct threat to the integrity of our democracy and the sanctity of our electoral process. The gun running of "fast and furious" and continueing attempt to cover up, pass the blame and hide from the responsibility by Obama and Holder is indicitave of Obama's ignoring the Constitution and his lawlessness. It was undoubtedly an effort to create a public outcry for more gun control. In my opinion, his plan also was to cause chaos for the Mexican citizens by letting the guns go into the drug cartels' hands and terrorize the Mexican citizens. Forcing them to flee north across the border. Which would create a need for a refugee program for the fleeing Mexicans. Hence, an urgent need for amnesty for the sudden influx of illegal immigrants. dwr. Corruption in the administration is rampant. Washington no longer has a government; rather, it has a gangster regime. The Chicago way has become the Washington way. Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is a political hit man.. He is an amoral, ruthless operator. It was Mr. Emanuel who reached out to Rep. Joe Sestak, Pennsylvania Democrat, offering a high-ranking job in the hopes of persuading Mr. Sestak to pull out of the primary against Sen. Arlen Specter. It was Mr. Emanuel who offered another government position to Andrew Romanoff to do the same in the Colorado Democratic Senate primary. And it was Mr. Emanuel - as the trial of former Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich has revealed - who acted as the go-between to try to have Valerie Jarrett parachuted into Mr. Obama's former Senate seat. The only question was: What did Mr. Blagojevich want in exchange? This is not simply sleazy Chicago machine politics. It is the systematic breaking of the law - bribery, attempt to interfere (and manipulate) elections using taxpayer-funded jobs, influence peddling and abuse of power. The common misperception on the right is that Mr. Obama is another Jimmy Carter: an incompetent liberal whose presidency is being reduced to rubble under the onslaught of repeated failures. The very opposite, however, is true. He is the most consequential president in our lifetime, transforming America into something our Founding Fathers would find not only unrecognizable, but repugnant. Like all radical revolutionaries, he is consumed by the pursuit of power - attaining it, wielding it and maximizing it. Mr.. Obama's fledgling thug state must be stopped. It is more crucial now than ever that the leadership in the House instigate a committee to investigate every aspect of Obama's administration, his cabinet and his czars. He will stop at nothing, we the people should stop at nothing and turn over every stone Obama has placed to bury our Constitution. dwr. If Republicans win back Congress in November, they should - and likely will - launch formal investigations into this criminal, scandal-ridden administration. Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and ranking member of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, has promised as much. Mr. Obama has betrayed the American people. Impeachment is the only answer. This usurper must fall. ................................................................... None of the above is my text. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:43 PM sadly .... some people believe in the Oliver Stone movie .... personally I'm one believes that JFK and the old man screwed around with Chicago gangsters a bit too much ... but, let's leave these theories to previous thread's buried somewhere here in the Madcat. Fact is .... Vietnam was JFK's baby. write a folksong about that. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:57 PM Number6: "Fact is .... Vietnam was JFK's baby." An opinion based in error....matter of FACT, JFK signed an order about 40 days before his trip to Dallas, that in effect said, the the U.S. should NOT be in Vietnam. Vietnam was a combination of things, that went back even before Eisenhower was president. You might familiarize yourself with the French Undo-China war, and treaties we had with the French, during WWII. Even though Japan and Germany formally surrendered, the French were still battling in that region...and as a part of that treaty, we 'were' obliged' to help. That being said, the Gulf of Ton-kin incident was complete bullshit, and that was August 2, 1964...almost a year after JFK's trip to Dallas. the escalation of the war was Johnson's baby. Just to let you know..... ..and the reason it went on so long, was to prolong the drug and arms trade...but that's another story altogether.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:59 PM Delete the other one. Error in the spell check ........................................................ Number6: "Fact is .... Vietnam was JFK's baby." An opinion based in error....matter of FACT, JFK signed an order about 40 days before his trip to Dallas, that in effect said, the the U.S. should NOT be in Vietnam. Vietnam was a combination of things, that went back even before Eisenhower was president. You might familiarize yourself with the French Indo-China war, and treaties we had with the French, during WWII. Even though Japan and Germany formally surrendered, the French were still battling in that region...and as a part of that treaty, we 'were' obliged' to help. That being said, the Gulf of Ton-kin incident was complete bullshit, and that was August 2, 1964...almost a year after JFK's trip to Dallas. the escalation of the war was Johnson's baby. Just to let you know..... ..and the reason it went on so long, was to prolong the drug and arms trade...but that's another story altogether.... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:12 PM Thank you, Songwronger. I was aware of drone warfare in Afghanistan, but not Yemen or the eastern region of Africa. I would suggest that just possibly this president may not need the consent of this congress because the previous president received approval for a 'war on terror'. I don't know if there was a time limit on it. (I'm not stating that as fact. I live in a country with many of its own problems and don't always keep up with what's happening with our neighbours to the south.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:18 PM "By Jeffrey T. Kuhner The Washington Times President Obama has engaged in numerous high crimes and misdemeanors. The Democratic majority in Congress is in peril as Americans reject his agenda. Yet more must be done: Mr. Obama should be impeached." ##################################################### The above article quoted in its entirety in an earlier post is from over a year ago, fwiw and fyi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:39 PM Janie - (in regards to your post of 27 Sep 11 - 08:52 PM) Yeah, probably. He didn't, though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:50 PM Guest,999: "The above article quoted in its entirety in an earlier post is from over a year ago, fwiw and fyi." thank you..didn't know that....but it still holds true. I gathered that it was older, when they referred to the elections in November...but I thought it was worth repeating. Didn't know it graced the Mudcat forum, though...Thank you! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Sep 11 - 01:48 AM FFS - that article from the NYT is hilarious. It is a satire, isn't it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST Date: 28 Sep 11 - 02:21 AM Richard Bridge to Nowhere: "FFS - that article from the NYT is hilarious. It is a satire, isn't it?" Well you MUST have thought it was hilarious!...being as God only knows what you read....Being as it was from the Washington Times, and I'm GfS, not FFS!...but that was posted for your reading comedy, too. So, turn off the cartoons on your TV and get some sleep, OK? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Sep 11 - 02:23 AM Richard Bridge to Nowhere: "FFS - that article from the NYT is hilarious. It is a satire, isn't it?" Well you MUST have thought it was hilarious!...being as God only knows what you read....Being as it was from the Washington Times, and I'm GfS, not FFS!...but that was posted for your reading comedy, too. So, turn off the cartoons on your TV and get some sleep, OK? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 28 Sep 11 - 03:38 AM "Obama will change only what he is allowed to change." I said that before he was elected, only to be attacked by Bill D, Amos, et al. Mr Obama is not the Messiah, his last speech on the Palestinian issue should have made that prefectly clear to everyone. Bill D is quite wrong, if Mr Obama is to serve any purpose regarding "change", he must develope the guts to lead and challenge the system........not allow himself to be led around like a "pig on a stick"....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 28 Sep 11 - 03:41 AM The future of your country should mean more to him than his future employment prospects! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: kendall Date: 28 Sep 11 - 08:00 AM I'm convinced that if we would simply stay out of the affairs of other countries, stay home and mind our own store they would have no reason to hit us. A little boy came home with a black eye. When his Father asked how he got it, the boy said, "It all started when he hit me back." |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 28 Sep 11 - 08:50 AM GfS declared .... "Number6: "Fact is .... Vietnam was JFK's baby." Hmmm yes, I did say that ..... but where is the post where I did say it. oh well .... does it really matter? biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 28 Sep 11 - 01:12 PM "Bill D is quite wrong, ..." About WHAT? Unlike others here, *I* didn't claim to know what, exactly, the best course is, nor what Obama is "allowed" to do or not do. (I do wonder whose minds they read in determining how Obama makes his 'controlled decisions'.) *I* merely question the arrogance of those who DO claim to have infallible information and insight as they **interpret** various 'news' stories about drones, the death of JFK, Obama's mindset, and/or the basic policies of the U.S.! What do I actually think? I think that IF 'they' somehow manage to impeach Obama or get him voted out and any one of this illustrious field of Republicans voted in, you will have controlled and manipulated and self-serving agendas by power-mad special interests.... the like of which will even startle YOU who are unhappy with Obama!....and sadly, you will rationalize and 'spin' it and pretend you didn't 'really' say what you said.....kinda like Mitt Romney. I do not claim to know how Obama makes his decisions....but I have been following what he has said & done for several years, including his college career and his time as a community organizer in Chicago...and I see goals and honesty that dwarf the shallowness and petty slogans by his detractors and would-be successors. Are there better choices? Maybe...how do we find them, and how can we be sure they are 'better'? The complexities of today would strain the abilites of the most competent and well-intentioned leader! I do know that I saw a long interview on Education with Bill Clinton yeaterday, and was again amazed by his knowlege and analysis.... and Obama comes as close to that level of competence as anyone (who is considered as a possible candidate) that I have seen recently. (I can name 6-7 folks who seems to have the skills, but not necessarily the 'charisma' or the desire to TAKE all the abuse that comes with being a Democratic candidate.) I suggest you (as I mentioned above) arm-chair pundits take a deep breath and honestly review what Obama has accomplished in spite of Republicans being totally obstructionist at every step! It is hard to tell what 'conservatives' DO want...except to defeat Obama and make it easier for corporations and billionaires to gain more control...and maybe overturn the 1st Amendment. It sure is a lot easier to be nay-sayers and accusers than to come up with positive ideas, hmmm? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: gnu Date: 28 Sep 11 - 01:41 PM Himm-himm-himm. Bee here on g's pewter. When Chuck got home he was in a terrible dither so I decided I'd chat with g and try to sort it out... they are such good boys and I don't like to see them at odds. I am taking a break and having a Bud whilst g prepares lasagna. I detest commoner food but g says the frozen 2.27kg Sobeys brand was on sale for $6 Canuck so it was worth a shot and if I have several Buds it'll be a great scoff. Now, all this silly talk of Mr. Obama being told what to do must simply stop. I decree it shall be so. I have spoken. Dismissed. Carry on. Smoke em if you got em. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 28 Sep 11 - 01:49 PM :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 28 Sep 11 - 02:03 PM Bill....Nobody can accuse me of pulling my punches...on any subject, and if I am wrong I will be the first to admit it. Most of the world was wrong about Obama.....tho' it's not really his fault, what's required now is a break from the domination of the party system....the realisation that no weasel words from no damn Party can alter the fact that the West is on the "going down"side of the Capitalist wheel. Unless we are prepared to watch society and our young people disintegrate before our eyes, we must jump for our lives. Kendall is right, we must stop trying to manipulate the rest of the world in our interests....we've done that and must learn that Capitalism brings destruction as well as production. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: gnu Date: 28 Sep 11 - 02:38 PM ake... "Capitalism brings destruction as well as production." Only when greed exceeds compassion and overturns foresight in renewable resource strategies. Killing for profit isn't necessary yet... unless the rich know something. Maybe they do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Sep 11 - 02:42 PM That is its nature |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 28 Sep 11 - 03:20 PM "Nobody can accuse me of pulling my punches" No indeed, ake! Perhaps "shooting from the hip"? I do advocate people stating clearly what they like or believe in, and standing up for it...and, as you say, admitting mistakes. I do not advocate quick, shallow opinions based on hearsay, emotions and guesswork. I have no access to your mind and HOW you come to conclusions: any more than you & others have to Obama's. Myself... I am pretty slow to make many declarative statements about highly complex people & situations. I can 'see' ALL sides in the Middle-East situation, and see the flaws in all sides. I can imagine things I WISH Obama would say or do...and I can imagine many reasons for him not doing what I imagine (and most of them do NOT involve being manipulated by shadowy $$$ interests). What is not hard to imagine is what certain wannabe characters would do, given certain powers...and a loaded Supreme Court. They TELL me so! Much like Reagan did in his radio addresses in the late 70s, when he explained how he would dismantle certain parts of that nasty EPA... he did it and he ruined many very important programs. Obama does a few minor things, like 'beginning' a system of health care designed to help more people and reduce the influence of drug companies and insurance companies...and LO!...he's a **Socialist**, bent on destroying our freedom! *sheesh!* |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Amos Date: 28 Sep 11 - 03:37 PM THere's a lot of horsepucky flying around about Mr Obama. Given the field provided, I have to say... FOUR MORE YEARS. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Don Firth Date: 28 Sep 11 - 03:44 PM Not only did GfS post the Kuhner article on another thread (and God knows how many more besides these two!) but as 999 pointed out, it's over a year old. The skinny on Jeffery T. Kuhner: Kuhner was born in Montreal, Canada. After teaching US history from 1998 to 2000 at McGill University in Montreal, Kuhner worked from 2000 through 2003 as an assistant national editor at the Washington Times. After leaving the Washington Times, he worked for the Republican policy group the Ripon Society as communications director and editor of the "Ripon Forum." He was the editor of the US Internet news magazine "Insight on the News" from October 2005 until its closing in May 2008.Kuhner has retired from the Washington Times and is currently hosting a conservative talk radio show. Considering the nature of conservative talk radio show hosts, I would hardly have expected Kuhner to be glowing with praise for Obama. (This also was posted on the other thread to give folks an idea of where Kuhner (and GfS) is coming from.) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: gnu Date: 28 Sep 11 - 05:10 PM B here again. g was right. A few Buds will kill the taste buds... hehehehe... tasteless Buds. Seriously, knock that shit off. Watch this VERY closely and see who is in charge. It's brief but it's there. We've been there and done that for over a thousand years. Debate is good but don't get carried away with it. Have a Bud and lighten up eh ya hosers. Gosh, I feel a bit tipsy. Perhaps I'll call for the chopper after g and I have a few more. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Donuel Date: 28 Sep 11 - 05:32 PM Besides doubling down with war and bombings, The President has seen to it that not one single criminal Wall Street Bank president has gone to jail. The only cases prosecuted were Madoff and one insider trader violation. What does it take to prosecute the theft of $50,000,000,000,000.00 50 trillion dollars is more damage that WW 2 inflicted upon the entire world. Simply put, these criminals placed bets on credit and bought insurance on their bets to fail with money they did not own. Then they told Congress the money machines would stop working in 5 days if COngress did not give them real betting money to cover the insurance and bad bets...and the money better be clean and not allow any judicial review... or else. We are told to not expect any bankers to go to jail, WHY THE F NOT? I say the US people and the world will delight to the prosecution of the bankers who sold worthless derivitives, bundled mortgage securities and insured thier bets by working to bankrupt key US corporations and manufacturers. What they did was worse than treason. The man who was chairman of the deregulation of banks to be required to cover thier bets with thier own money was the Chairman of Goldman Sachs, Hank Paulson (with the help of bought off Federal SEC Regulators) on April 24 2004 in the NYC 235 Woolworth Building. That was when the banks satrted to become so much in control of the entire money supply and never so much out of control. Paulson was then appointed as the US Treasury Secretary by GWB. President OBAMA: WHERE IS OUR NUREMBERG TRIAL OF THE CRIMINAL US BANKERS? WHERE IS OUR JUSTICE ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 28 Sep 11 - 06:09 PM But that's it in a nutshell Don....the system needs GROWTH, most people knew there was something wrong, but as long as the funny money kept rolling in nobody cared.....we can't blame it all on the bankers .....regulation kills Capitalism and most of us wanted the sick man to keep breathing. Well now we've got the worlds most expensive corpse on our hands and our children and grandchildren will pay for the funeral. In the UK, a few thousand young kids with no future went on the rampage...stole some clothes and electrical goods...some even brought them back the next day, they received very severe prison sentences for relatively minor crimes....yet as you say the people who looted fortunes got off Scot free......So much for "liberal" equality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Richard Bridge Date: 28 Sep 11 - 06:30 PM I'm tickled pink with Ripon, the home of the ripoff... |