BS: Colin Powell supports Obama

Subject: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: jacqui.c
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:54 AM

Just heard this from a friend of ours.

Whoo Hoo!!!!!!!!

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From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:00 AM

Announcement on CNN

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From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:03 AM

Powell will be on Meet the Press at 10:30AM EDT....30 min. from now,,

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From: Amos
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:13 AM

HE endorsed Barack Obama on the show.


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From: Deckman
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:31 AM

This should seal the deal. Bob(deckman)Nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:05 AM

I just watched Powell. He made the case for Obama quite well, but he sure couldn't bring himself to admit that his judgment had been wrong in 2002. He just repeated that we had flawed intelligence that led him to agree to military action in Iraq, but never quite said that there was careless vetting of that intelligence and bad judgment by Bush in how to proceed.

He (Powell) continues to say that McCain "...would be a good president" ...but that Obama would be a better choice in these times.

I guess that will have to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: EBarnacle
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:09 AM

I have often thought that Powell really could go either way politically as he has seemed to be an honest man who was greatly troubled by the way he was used. I suspect his departure from the administration was more voluntary than it appeared.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:09 AM

listening to Powell now.
Choosing Palin for VP showed poor judgement, another reason Powell chose Obama.

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From: Bobert
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:17 AM

I listened to the entire interview and thought that Powell fairly well trashed the McCain campaign and McCain's judgement while saying that he still considered McCain a friend... I don't think Powell could have gone any further without Joe the GunNut shooting him as he left the NBC studio...

BTW, I have mentioned in the past that I beleive that Powell sould be a good candidate for his old job, but with a different mission... He allready knows the jobs and the world players so ya'll don't be surprised if this comes to pass... I can forgive him on Iraq... He was completely outgunned by Bush's inner circle...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:21 AM

He sure did say that he would always listen to a plea from ANY president for his advice, though he was not anxious to get back into govt' full time.

Sounds to me like he is available...

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:45 AM

His description of the headstone of the 20 year old soldier who died in Iraq (and was muslim) was an excellent response to all the muslim scare rumors being spread by republicans. He voiced his disappointment in the people in the Republican party who have been spreading bigotry against muslims. That needed to be said. Thank you, Colin Powell.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:53 AM

He did say that a young Muslim 'should' be able to dream of being president. Nice image..though we know not likely. He did NOT suggest that a young person of NO religious faith, no matter how competent or dedicated or patriotic, might hold such dreams.. *wry smile*

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 11:55 AM

Good point, Bill.

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From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:00 PM

Oh, my gosh, I just read the Salt Lake Tribune's editorial today:
A simple choice: The nation needs Barack Obama in the White House.
Utah is so conservative, this really surprises me.
http://www.sltrib.com/ci_10761520

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:05 PM

Did that need saying? I'd have though that even in America "a young person of NO religious faith" would have a much better chance of making it to the presidency than a young person of the "wrong" religious faith.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:13 PM

America is such a religious country, atheists and agnostics are pretty much frozen out of most political positions. Politicians are always expected to tell voters which church they go to. Yes, there is supposed to be separation of church and state, but the country is god obsessed.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:27 PM

Colin Powell has gone a long way toward redeeming himself in my eyes today.

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From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:36 PM

Me, too, Carol. So have those who live in Utah!:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:48 PM

And what does Calypso Harry Belafonte think of Colin Powell?

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From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 12:57 PM

It really isn't so surprising the the Salt Lake Tribune endorsed Obama. The conservative paper in town is the Deseret News, which is owned by the Mormon (LDS) Church. Salt Lake itself has always been much more "liberal" (whatever that word means) than the state as a whole, and the current mayor is a Democrat. BTW, I went to college there, and this is personal knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Stringsinger
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:04 PM

Powell has redeemed himself to a degree. His performance in front of the UN was disgraceful.

It's good that he has disentangled himself from Bush's disastrous policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:08 PM

It's all about race now!

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From: Ferrara
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:22 PM

It's all about race now! ... Interesting how some people's minds work.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:23 PM

I watched Meet the Press, and Powell's reasons make sense to me, but they'll probably make sense to a lot of less extremely right wing Republicans. The party has centered itself farther to the right than ever and McCain doesn't represent the best interests of the most people. Obama does.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: jacqui.c
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:24 PM

I know Rita, but didn't you know that would be the reaction from some! We've heard it from a Republican friend of ours already.

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From: Alice
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:25 PM

To hear it from Rig is no surprise.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:26 PM

Some people are completely unprepared to deal with things unless they're that simple.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:35 PM

All about race. No its a question of:-

1) whether you keep going for the dumb alternative - Bush, Reagan fair enough - but....Sarah Palin!

2) America's mistrust of intellectuals.

3) the wisdom of fighting wars to install regimes that don't, on the face of it, seem very attractive.

4) the economy

Basically it all needs setting right, and McCain seems to offer the continuation of 'bad business as usuual'.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:51 PM

"It's all about race" in the sense that racism could be the ace in the hole that might get McCain elected.

Perhaps the one thing more despicable (and in some ways more dangerous) than racists are people who aren't themselves racists, but who exploit racism in others as a tool.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 01:53 PM

I'd like to see a president who's smarter than I am, smarter than that plumber and smarter than 'Joe Sixpack'. I suppose if our schools were better, 'dumb' wouldn't be so popular.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:06 PM

Well said Al

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From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 02:59 PM

I wonder what people will do. Is the 'no child left behind' thing still going in the US? We know it to be a disasterous policy and I have often wondered why educators bought into it. Will we see lots of

We didn't know at all
We didn't see a thing
You can't hold us to blame
What could we do
It was a terrible shame
You can't hold us to blame
It wasn't us we didn't know


Will Bush and Cheney be tried for crimes against the American people? People of this world? Or will that be conveniently slipped under the rug?


Will Guantanimo be closed without the inmates being 'disappeared'?
Will the Neocons who caused the market to collapse be sent there to fill the vacancies? Will the truth behind 9/11 come out?


Does anyone here really think Obama will be allowed to take office after he's elected?


Will Halliburton be investigated and misappropriations in Iraq be investigated? Thre role(s) of Blackwater be investigated?


Or will there be an incident and will we have a military Junta co-sponsored by the Neocons? Stay tuned to "The American Dream, Reality TV"?


The USA has much to answer for on the world stage. Your mileage may vary, but the USA has dropped in the opinion of this world, imo, and what used to be seen as a country that believed in good and human rights is now just another bunch of people loosely grouped around a flag that once meant something. The true test will be whether Obama's administration gives George Bush and Dick Cheney pardons. I suspect that that will let you know what's changed. I think y'all will just have to see who's still got money, because you'll know at that point who stole your economy, stole your freedoms and stole your democracy. Good luck to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:32 PM

I can't stand Sean Hannity, but I'll probably watch his "Expose'" of O'Bama this evening.

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From: kendall
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 03:34 PM

Someone smarter than you Jeri?
Well, that narrows the field.

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From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 06:25 PM

Why will you watch it, Kendall? It'll will be a bunch of fabricated BS, lies ad infinitum.

My daughter who lives in CT has a boyfriend who is an American of African descent. He goes to community college there. He told me, today, there are white people on campus, people he knows, who have told him, to his face, that they agree with almost everything Obama stands for and has put forth, but they will vote for McCain, even though they cannot stand him, because they just "can't vote for a black man." This is in an area with a very high degree of diversity. It really surprises me. I know there are whitebread parts of CT where I would expect that, maybe, but not where they are and I am shocked they would tell him to his face and in such a frank way. Appalling, imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 06:37 PM

"...they just "can't vote for a black man."

it sure would be interesting to get a few of those folks alone and quiz them for awhile to get some idea of why they say such a thing. I can make guesses, but I'd really like to drag the actual words out of them so they could hear themselves saying it out loud.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 06:51 PM

But how about the people who wouldn't dream of saying that, but that's still the way they think, and the way they vote?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 07:14 PM

America is such a religious country

Not. The U.S is a country that has made a fetish out of religiosity.

interesting to get a few of those folks alone and quiz them for awhile to get some idea of why they say such a thing

The "why" should be patently obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 07:24 PM

The "why" should be patently obvious.

Not at all. Racists are just ordinary people who for some reason or other are badly screwed up.

There are all kinds of reasons why someone might be racist, just as there are all kinds of reasons a person might be physically blind.

If you don't know the reasons, you can't do much to mend things.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Beer
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 07:30 PM

Thank you Mr Powell. I have always liked the man and believe he was railroaded. I think the man became to dangerous and the Bush/Chaney click saw him as a threat.
Beer (adrien)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 07:51 PM

And those people are on campus? For what? sure as hell aint for learning.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:33 PM

.."all about race".   Thank you, Mr. Riginslimer.

It never was and isn't now--except possibly in your twisted mind.

And by the way, Mr. Hypocrite--still waiting for your arguments as to why you-- who claim to oppose organized religion-- are fine with McCain/ Palin.

Since if you're not fine with them, there's only one way to stop them--vote Obama/Biden.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 08:58 PM

So Colin Powell has made his move. Welcome aboard!

Who will be next?

I'm enjoying this phase of the Campaign.

Charley Noble

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From: Cluin
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:22 PM

See? They all stick together.

Those politicians.   ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:27 PM

You don't have to be religious. You just should go to church. (McCain doesn't even do that.) Gets the networking started, and pours water on any questioning. You really don't think Obama goes to church to worship God and all that, do you? I can't believe anyone thinks so.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 09:37 PM

"America is the only country on earth where you can believe in the one, true God....all 164 of them"----Mark Twain

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Slag
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:31 PM

There's a surprize.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:38 PM

"You don't have to be religious. You just should go to church. (McCain doesn't even do that.)"


                   Don't tell Ron Davies. He thinks McCain and Palin are hopeless addicts.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Oct 08 - 10:50 PM

There are many, many different other reasons why people go to church besides worshipping God. Such as...

- "It's a nice thing to do, and my parents did it."
- "All my friends are there."
- "It gives me a lot of good social connections."
- "It's a normal part of my community life."
- "If I didn't go, my neighbours and relatives would wonder why."
- "I go there for the music."
- "I like the atmosphere."
- "It's a break from telesion and the usual stuff."
- "It's good for networking."
- "People won't vote for me if I'm not seen going to church."
- "I can get away from Riginslinger in church. He won't go in there for anything."

Hee! Hee!

Give it a rest, for God's sake! (And I don't mean that literally...)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Peace
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 12:24 AM

Sitting in a church doesn't make you a Christian any more than standing in a garage makes you a mechanic.