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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:41 PM Justin: Are as wide as you are shallow? Your understanding of Obama's campaign shows all the insight of a blind threelegged rat in the bilge of a sinking ship. Wake up and smell the coffee, feller. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:48 PM Yeah, right.... ;-D You're an amusing one, Justin. Comedians could use you to portray neo-Nazi skinheads for laughs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: DougR Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:09 PM If I have learned ONE thing on this forum it is: those with a liberal bent believe they are justified in writing anything their progressive little heart desires, and it is perfectly okay. It is assumed that only liberals have the right to free speech on the Mudcat. One with opposing views is a racist, stupid, ignorant, whatever. The Mudcat way: viciously launch a personal attack on anyone who disagree with your political views. An you call yourself liberals. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: katlaughing Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:16 PM ad hominem attacks are the GOP way, so all's right with the world, right? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:20 PM Oh, well, it's a habit that is found freely on both sides of the political divide, and always has been. People generally only complain when their political opponents indulge in such unpleasant tactics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:33 PM When we find ourselves using expressions like "those with a liberal bent" or "the GOP way" in disputes with other Mudcatters that should perhaps be a signal to us to hold off posting until we have cooled down. We write our posts as individuals, not as part of a collective. When we write something that is interpreted as racist, and it wasn't meant as racist, that should be a signal to us to have a good look at what we have written. Maybe it's been misinterpreted, and we need to explain ourselves better. Maybe there was actually something racist in it, and we need to think again. Or maybe, of course, the person responding has unfairly twisted what we said into something that we didn't mean, and which doesn't match with what we actually said. But we shouldn't assume that that last one is the right one until we've looked at the first two. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: katlaughing Date: 21 Oct 08 - 06:34 PM Ya know this reminds of the folks who try to hide their racism by saying they like Obama but won't vote for him because they are afraid for his life. First, that is condescending and smacks of "massa" telling the "boy" they know what's best for him. Second, if they really are worried about that, they wouldn't vote for a white man since every prez who has been assassinated has been white! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Big Mick Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:10 PM No, Doug, but it is useful to point out that I made my case based on your words, and constructed my criticisms based on that. In other words, I held you responsible for your own words. Your response? Something on the order of whining. No response to the specific points I raised. I believe that is because they are indefensible. Your response, or lack thereof, is the equivalent of "Oh yeah?". Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: CarolC Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:11 PM The suggestion that a Black man can't accomplish what Powell did and reach the levels of authority that he did without people doing him favors for which he owes his loyalty is implicitly racist. The suggestion that someone like Powell gets to the level he did because of favors and for that reason, owes the Republican party his support for whatever candidate they tell him to support, is implicitly corrupt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:21 PM And the very idea of owing loyalty in return for favours in this kind of context is also profoundly corrupt, |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: kendall Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:29 PM Doug, did you read any of my posts on this subject? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Bobert Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:30 PM Now, don't be like that, Dougie... You know that this ol' commie hillbilly loves ya' don'tcha but... ...let's get real here... Yeah, progressives are more than a little torqued about the daily barrage of persoanl and mostly irrelevant attacks on Obama an' when we say to Obama, "Hey, let's strike back" he says, "No!"... Yeah, it more than sucks but we understand that part of the deal is that we gotta act civil out there on the street... We ain't 'sposed to say nuthin' bad about Hot Lips Sarah 'er the old guy (jus' funnin'... I know yer old nuff to be McCain grandfather...lol...) so... ...after yet another day of being out there and having folks tell you to "stick it up yer _______" when yer out there knockin' on doors for Obama and havin' to smile as if they jsut told you how much they respected him this, as per usual, is the joint where we come to get the crap off our chest... Maybe that kinda tough fir you you to internalize, Dougie... I understand that... Maybe a few hours of canvassing for McCain in South Philly would give ya' some idea... I donno... What I do know is that I'll be happy to have this campaign over because I'm getting very sick of hearing John McCain lie thru his teeth and I'm getting very sick of Ms. Sarah... But I still loves you, Dougie, so... ...come on over here and get a hug, Big Guy... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: DougR Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:37 PM Carol C: I did not state or imply that Colin Powell's achievements were not earned. In my opinion he deserved every promotion and appointment he received. It is not racist, in my opinion, to point out, however, that his abilities and accomplishments were recognized by Republican administrations. His argument about Gov. Palin not being qualified is also only an opinon. The same could be said of Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton, and George W. Bush. All ex governors of their states. What on earth has Obama done in his short life equal to their experience. Beats me. Mick: I did not reply to your post because after scanning it, I did not deem it worthy of a reply. I did not write my views in order to argue with anyone. I merely stated my opinion. You have a right to yours and I have a right to mine. I did not intend anything I said to be taken as racist. Anyone who read it as such, has a right to make of it what he/she chooses. DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: CarolC Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:50 PM Well, then, I will just say that the idea that someone like Powell is obliged to support whichever presidential candidate the Republicans tell him to because it was Republicans who recognized his abilities and accomplishments, is implicitly corrupt. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Bill D Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:52 PM "...It is assumed that only liberals have the right to free speech on the Mudcat." No, no such thing is assumed.... but I'll assure you that 'free speech' only makes sense when it is a simple dispute over issues! When hateful remarks and total lies tinged with racism are tossed out in the guise of 'free speech', someone is bound to notice! You, Doug, only skirt that line with innuendo....folks like Justin U and Sawsaw and a couple others have been absolutely nasty. When folks you have called 'friends' here for years notice your attitude, you need to examine what you have said. Perhaps it's that, for 8 years, you could laugh behind your hand at their futile efforts to get THEIR candidate into office. Hard to be so flippant and happy when it looks bad, huh? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Amos Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:54 PM here's a fine line between speech and manure, Doug, Maybe you didn't notice the line as you stepped past... A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: GUEST,Justin U Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:56 PM DougR, Please don't get annoyed over it, it's a forum. I have had several of my posts removed for no reason other than showing support for McCain and Palin, and I've had Mick coming in heavy on me on other threads. He has his view, you and I have ours. In fact earlier today a lady called me a racist ! Christ I don't even drive.
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Bobert Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:59 PM Well, thems is some good points, too, Bill... I have noticed a certain shrill from the Bushites this time around... Maybe they'll better understand the election of 2000 and how better than half the voters felt back then if Obama wins... Seems that lots of them must think that is about to happen 'cause they certainly have become very beligerant of late... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: GUEST,Justin U Date: 21 Oct 08 - 08:03 PM Yeah you could be right there bobert, and that coming from a man prepared to drive a 1,000 miles to annoy his hero sitting at the sick bed of his dying granny ! You did say in your other thread you are going to see Obama tomorrow did't you ????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Alice Date: 21 Oct 08 - 08:06 PM drive to Hawaii? You are geographically challenged, guest J.U. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: GUEST,heric Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:00 PM >I have noticed a certain shrill from the Bushites this time around... < Music to my ears; A sweet sweet song of spring. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Bobert Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:04 PM Ahhhhh, Justin, ol' son... You don't exactly drive from Virgina to Hawaii... Okay, you can drive from Virgina to California and then fly the rest of the way but... ...nevermind... This is all hurtin' my poor ol' head... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Ron Davies Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:46 PM Doug said Colin Powell, ungratefully "turned on the Republicans": implication: they, not his own work and talent, made him the first black 4-star general. I'm sure Doug meant his remark to not be seen as racist. And he's not really too happy about the fact that it comes across as exactly that. Just like good ol' Michelle Bachmann is backtracking in record time from her remark about how liberals are un-American. And that NC Congressman is having the same problem. Funny how so many of them turn out to be Bush supporters. Well, there is a cure for that sort of thing. Doug, Michelle, and assorted others could actually think before they open their mouths--(or in Doug's case) before he hits "send".) But of course their hero, GWB, never puts his mind--we make the possibly rash assumption that he has one-- in gear before opening his mouth--and even then, only rarely-- --so why should they? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Oct 08 - 12:54 AM Doug is reacting to Powell's endorsement of Obama very similarly to the way an Obama supporter here would react to Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter or some other prominent Democrat coming out and endorsing McCain......can you imagine what the reactions to that would be among Obama supporters???!!! ;-) Omigod. No, so Doug of course doesn't like Powell's endorsement of Obama one bit, and he instinctively feels that Powell is betraying his party and his past political associations. And that, in a nutshell, is one of the truly awful things about partisan politics right there. It interferes with people's right to act as free individuals, to use their own judgement, and to not be accused by the party faithful of selling out when they do. Partisanship of that sort is the enemy of conscience, responsibility, and freedom of thought, in my opinion. Colin Powell should be able to act as a free human being, endorse whomever he wishes, and not be condemned on a partisan basis for doing so. The same goes for Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, and anyone else. They do NOT have to toe party line, and there is no reason why they necessarily should. But how people react to what Powell did will have to do with really only one thing, ultimately: it will have to do with who THEY want to see elected president, Obama or McCain. If they want Obama elected, they'll be delighted with what Powell did (As I am, for instance). If they want McCain elected they'll be disgusted with what Powell did (as Doug is, for instance). And it's that simple. Everyone's in it in order to see their own political agenda met and their own hopes for the election met. It's their "party" and they'll cry if they want to! ;-) Just admit that no one here has a monopoly on patriotism or morality or ethical perfection of any sort, and get on with it. You all want someone specific to win this thing, and that will govern how you judge just about everything that happens from here till election day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Ebbie Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:59 AM I must disagree, Little Hawk, that I/we would react "very similarly" to how DougR reacted in this case if Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter endorsed McCain. I have no doubt but that first I would be flummoxed - What in the world? and then - since I respect both men's thought processes - I would seek reasons. Payback for political favors would not be amongst them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: GUEST,Justin U Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:43 AM what is the definition of a racist post on mudcat ? One that doesn't support Obama. Unfair Joe, we all hold our viewpoints.
Think it's unfair? Talk about whatever else you wish, making sure you're on your best behavior. If that's not satisfactory, you're free to go elsewhere. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: kendall Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:29 AM I didn't hear any gnashing of teeth when Clinton, democrat, appointed Bill Cohen, republican, to his high office. Doug, if you were to walk into a yard full of dogs, knowing that some of them might bite, and you started irritating them, what would you expect to happen? Old Maine saying, "If you know the dog bites..." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Greg F. Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:48 AM Doug said Colin Powell, ungratefully "turned on the Republicans" What certain unthinking people don't get is that tho Powell may have turned on the BuShites, he did NOT torn on the Republicans- they ain't the same. This almost gives one hope that the rational, thinking Republicans of old may finally be wresting control of their Party from the lunatic element that since Reagan and especially since Rove has made their party an object of derision. I said almost- I'm not holding my breath. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:50 AM Okay, Ebbie, perhaps you are an exception? ;-) I'd be interested to see what happened if my hypothetical scenario occurred. I think there'd be a frenzy of infuriated reactions that would make Doug's snarky comments about Colin Powell look mild in comparison. That doesn't mean those reactions would come from every Obama supporter here...just from a lot of them. It's just normal, average human nature for people to be that way when they get caught up in partisan politics...and that's one reason why I don't like partisan politics, as a rule. It causes people's reserves of goodwill to dry up and vanish. It is the author of continual conflict and division in a population. Ancient societies attempted to concentrate power in a single monarch or family line precisely to avoid the dangers of those sort of fractious divisions, which could easily slide into civil war at any time (when various nobles and powerful houses were jockeying for power against one another). The trouble with monarchs, of course, was that if the specific monarch turned out to be a fool or a jackass or an incompetent ruler...well, you were just stuck with him regardless till he died. ;-) No system is perfect, I guess. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Ron Davies Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:55 AM Right you are, Greg. Susan Eisenhower Chris Buckley Paul Volcker Gen. Colin Powell Some others. And that does not include quite a few with a bit lower profile. Basically it includes anybody who thinks--belonging to any party--or none. That leaves those who don't think---or make over $250,000 clear profit per year-- as the Bush/McCain supporters--and we've seen some of their remarks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: jeffp Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:57 AM Colin Powell didn't even belong to a political party until he left the Army. As a military officer, he didn't feel that it was proper to belong to a partisan organization. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Oct 08 - 12:25 PM Maybe next time round the Republicans will have had a house cleansing, and they'll have Powell as their candidate for president... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: DougR Date: 22 Oct 08 - 12:46 PM McGrath: I likely would have voted for Powell over McCain. L.H.: I choose to believe your opinion over Ellie's regarding endorsements. Had any of the prominent Democrats you mentioned endorsed McCain over Obama one would have heard the Mudcat screams from Hawaii to Washisngton, D. C.. I was less pissed than disappointed about Powell's endorsement of Obama. I felt is reasoning was extremely weak. Kendall:I doubt I would step into a backyard should there be pack of threatening dogs there. Llamas maybe, but not dogs. Judging by the hate posted by some of my fellow mudcatters on this thread in respnse to my post, I assume were Max to announce a new policy stating that folks with views other than those espoused by "progressives" or "liberals" would no longer be welcome on the Mudcat, the majority here would approve. Stamp out dissent! DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Bill D Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:00 PM "I assume were Max to announce a new policy stating that folks with views other than those espoused by "progressives" or "liberals" would no longer be welcome on the Mudcat, the majority here would approve. Stamp out dissent!" That is truly an unfortunate view, Doug.... no one has suggested limiting "dissent", they have only condemned mean-spirited sounding posts. There are several 'dissenters' on here regularly, and they get heard....then they get argued with. Sure, Mudcat has 'more' left-leaning than right-leaning posters, but most of them argue about points & logic...until they feel they detect unfair comments. As I said before, when folks you have debated with for YEARS think they see UNfairness in your posts, it might be well to review HOW you said what you said. You have always been one who was respected, as well as argued with...I'd hate to see that change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:01 PM "As a military officer, he didn't feel that it was proper to belong to a partisan organization." I think that speaks very well for Colin Powell's own good judgement. He would make a rather good future candidate for either party, I would think. Back when it seemed inevitable that Hillary Clinton would be the one to run on the Democratic ticket in 2008, it occurred to me that the most classic possible Republican opponent to run against her would be Condoleeza Rice! Not that I'm saying it would have been at all likely a scenario, but it certainly would have been entertaining... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: kendall Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:05 PM But Doug, you HAVE stepped into a nest of left wing rowdies and you know it. To piss us off then complain when we react reminds me of the little boy who came home with a black eye. His dad said "How did that happen"? Kid says, :"It all started when he hit me back." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Ebbie Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:05 PM horse puckey, I say. Let's have a show of hands as to what each individual's probable reaction would be to Clinton or Carter endorsing the opposite candidate! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: jacqui.c Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:09 PM Seriously, I can well understand why Colin Powell turned on the Republicans. After all, what have Republican presidents ever done for him? I mean other than naming him first African American to head the Joint Chief's of Staff, first African-American four star general, first African-American National Security Adviser, and first African-American Secretary of State. That came over as a very negative, racially biased post to me Doug. Maybe you should take Bill D's advice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: DougR Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:11 PM Gee, Ebbie, that's going to be a bit tough to engineer isn't it? DougR |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: jacqui.c Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:22 PM If Clinton or Carter endorsed a Republican I think that most people might have to stop and find out why. If they were able to give articulate, reasoned arguments for that choice then anyone with half a brain would have to think about whether their own choice was being made purely as a result of holding the party line. Powell gave some very good reasons for his endorsement of Obama, none of which had anything to do with race at all. They had to do with his own opinion as to who would make the best president of the USA. To my mind that was a very patriotic thing to do - he is going against the party he has been aligned with, probably at some risk to his own possible future prospects, in order to do what he sees as best for his country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: kendall Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:27 PM Old Jewish saying: If a man calls you an ass, ignore him. If TWO men call you an ass, buy a saddle." Now Doug, I am NOT calling you an ass. I'm simply saying that if you are one in a hundred who has an opposite opinion, it's likely that yours is wrong. However, in this country you have a right to be wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Emma B Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:27 PM 'probably at some risk to his own possible future prospects' then again.......... probably not 'WASHINGTON: US Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama said on Monday that if he is elected, he will ask former secretary of state Colin Powell to serve as an advisor in his administration. "He (Powell) will have a role as one of my advisers. He has already served in that function, even before he endorsed me." Obama said on NBC's Today show. "Whether he wants to take a formal role, whether that's a good fit for him, is something we'd have to discuss," he added.' |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM "After all, what have Republican presidents ever done for him?" Surely the implication of that sentence is not just that Powell should have felt grateful to previous presidents for advancing him (in itself very questionable), but also that he ought to have regarded such personal feelings of gratitude as more important than doing what he believed to be in the good of his country. Is that really what you think Doug? Even if you think he was mistaken in his judgement. .......................... So far as the imagined notion of Clinton (either of them) backing McCain goes, I think a widespread assumption, if that had happened, would have been that this reflected feelings of resentment, and that it therefore deserved to be scorned. I think many Republicans, even if they felt pleased at the development, would have shared this assumption and felt that scorn. If it had been Carter on the other hand it would probably have been widely seen, even by many people who felt it was totally wrong-headed, as an honourable decision reflecting a genuine view by an honourable man that McCain deserved to be supported. (I think it might well have made a lot of Republicans a bit more reluctant to vote for McCain, but that is another matter.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: heric Date: 22 Oct 08 - 01:36 PM When Richardson came out for Obama there was a huge outcry from Clinton and supporters about his disloyalty and ingratitude. I don't recall how it played out on mudcat threads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Riginslinger Date: 22 Oct 08 - 02:02 PM Maybe if Powell hadn't attacked Sarah Palin the reality of his endorsement having been actually his, instead of a political talking point, would have been more believable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: GUEST,Mary in Colorado Date: 22 Oct 08 - 02:28 PM Mick, I did a web search for a song I just heard on the radio called "After the War" and came up with your 1999 post with lyrics for Tim Irvine's song. I can't seem to find anything else about it. Did someone else record it? Do you have any idea where I can find it? Thank you, thank you. mkwmkw@aol.com |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Little Hawk Date: 22 Oct 08 - 02:55 PM There is always a huge outcry when any political figure breaks from "the pack" and goes his own way. Always. It's standard rhetoric, standard BS, nothing to be surprised about at all when it happens. And you can't determine it by a hypothetical "show of hands", Ebbie. It has to REALLY happen. Then and only then will you see people's real reactions out in the open and unconcealed. Example of that kind of thing: The Kerry campaign made a great error in 2004. They decided that to fight back aggressively against vicious smear campaigns against John Kerry would simply lose them credibility and support. They determined this by conducting informal polls amongst their support base asking the question: "Do you like/not like negative campaigning" (I'm paraphrasing it...I don't know exactly how they worded it, but that's what it amounted to). Most people said they didn't like it. Ha! So Kerry didn't do it. But people did not answer truthfully, probably because they just aren't that aware of themselves. The fact is, they LOVE negative campaigning when the negativity is directed toward the OTHER side! They just love it to death. Observe the utter glee among Democrats and liberals whenever Sarah Palin is made fun of and ridiculed, whenever Bush is made fun of and ridiculed, whenever McCain is made fun of and ridiculed. Most liberals AND conservatives absolutely LOVE negative campaining as long as the darts are being hurled at their desired target of choice. The more the better. Keep in mind, I want Obama to win this thing. I am disgusted with Bush and McCain, I am extremely wary regarding Sarah Palin, and I don't agree one bit with their policies or philosophies. So I am not saying the things I say here out of an anti-Obama stance. Quite the contrary. I am simply recognizing human nature for what it usually is....subjective, prejudiced, opportunistic, frequently nasty, and extremely judgemental of others (specially when it comes to religion and politics). Like Mark Twain, I note this about human nature, and I comment on it when I see it happening...no matter which side of the political line it happens on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: PoppaGator Date: 22 Oct 08 - 02:58 PM "Had any of the prominent Democrats you mentioned endorsed McCain over Obama one would have heard the Mudcat screams from Hawaii to Washisngton, D. C.." What about Lieberman? I realize that his abdication from the Democratic mainstream is old news, but he IS an example of a "prominent Democrat" endoring McCain. "Maybe if Powell hadn't attacked Sarah Palin the reality of his endorsement having been actually his, instead of a political talking point, would have been more believable." Wow! Is it really so hard to believe that an intelligent guy like Powell might have concluded on his own that the choice of Palin was a remarkably cynical and irresponsible move? I mean, you might think she's perfectly OK, which is your right, but an awful lot of people take the oppostie position, and you can hardly assert that every one of us is following some kind of party-line script! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: Amos Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:10 PM Rig: Your point is wholly illogical. He expressed his own point of view aboout why he was disenchanted with the GOP, and Palin's inadequacy (to say the least) was a key part, entirely his own view. He expressed his views clearly and well. Including his own view of Ms Palin's suitability for high office. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama From: katlaughing Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:13 PM I had a few choice words for Lieberman when he betrayed his chosen party and I lost all respect for him when he did, but I sure didn't use anything racial or ethnic against him...guess I could have said something about what all the Dems have done for those of Jewish faith over the years and how could he not be grateful, etc. (that's sarcasm in case you can't tell.) |
