BS: Colin Powell supports Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 03:45 PM

you can hardly assert that every one of us is following some kind of party-line script!

I bet he can, and probably will. It's possible to assert anything whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:19 PM

"He expressed his own point of view aboout why he was disenchanted with the GOP, and Palin's inadequacy..."


                There are only two questions remaining to be answered relative to Powell's announcement on Press the Meat: 1.Who really wrote the text of the material he recited there? And 2.How long did it take him to memorize it?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:47 PM

Do you have any grounds at all for that slur, RIg? Other than just being a meatball?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:51 PM

Didn't sound rehearsed to me.

Sarah Palin is an air head who has no clue about the office of Vice president. I understand she has good taste in clothes, at $150,000 a pop she sure as hell didn't shop at Goodwill!

Doug, you asked what qualifications O'Bama has? An IQ that is over the moon. He taught Constitutional law, (something Palin could do with some knowledge of) He is willing to call on people who know what they are doing, Biden, Powell, Buffet etc.He was a community organizer. Remember, Jesus was a community organizer, Pontius Pilate was a governor.

McCain's qualifications? he crashed three planes, ran around on his wife,graduated 5th from the bottom of his class of 900 at Annapolis, admits to being a boozer, a philanderer and trouble maker.

Palin? she can field dress a Moose. I can just picture her trying to deal with Putin, or any of the Muslim leaders. They would eat her alive!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:52 PM

It's become apparent since the comments were made that Powell intends to do something with Obama if Obama gets elected. When the comments were made, that wasn't a consideration.
             The reason Powell slimed Palin was an attempt to give a boost to Obama. That's pretty obvious now.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 04:58 PM

No, he doesn't have any grounds for it, Amos. ;-) He's engaging in wishful thinking, that's all. It's another common symptom of the partisan mentality.

Amazing how Colin Powell has shrunk in Rig's mind from a highly respected figure to a pathetic shill who can't even think for himself in a mere 24 hours...just because he chose to back Barack Obama. ;-)

"Why...the man (Powell) must be a complete loser! An idiot! A coward! A racist! A sell-out, spineless, unprincipled gully jumper! A secret Muslim sympathizer. And worse than all of that.... a socialist!!!"

LOL!!! I wonder if Rig will beg for refugee status in Canada if Obama wins the election?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:02 PM

Why wouldn't he want to give a boost to Obama if he favors him for president?

Maybe he really thinks that Palin is not qualified. Is that a possibility, Rig? Just maybe???

("Naw.....couldn't be! Inconceivable!")

God, it's amazing how the human mind works when it's set itself on a path...it becomes a one-way reality filter.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:11 PM

"if Powell hadn't attacked Sarah Palin"

" The reason Powell slimed Palin "

He did neither...he carefully explained that he didn't think she was qualified.


you are now beneath contempt....

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:19 PM

"Maybe he really thinks that Palin is not qualified. Is that a possibility, Rig? Just maybe???"


                   He could be blind enough to think that, in which case he would be sexist!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Donuel
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:21 PM

Bill, you are above and beside contempt

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:26 PM

What happens when one goes beneath contempt? I've always wondered about that.

Ain't it lovely what politics brings out in people?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:29 PM

There's no bottom to it, if somebody goes beneath contempt!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 05:55 PM

Kendall: "Jesus was a community organizer." Really? Well, you could have sure fooled me. Methinks the halo above Obama's head has affected your thinking, my friend.

No point is comparing McCain's experience to Obama's. It's obvious to any thinking person. Even Palen has had more executive experience than Obama.

Obama is an excellent communicator (if he has a teleprompter) without that aid, though, he's just average. One would think, listening to him extemporaneously though, one might think he invented the words, "Uh," "and, and".

Just another thought, you folks may be planning your celebration victory a mite too soon. I heard today that the latest AP poll puts them neck and neck with Obama leading by one percentage point. No landslide that.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM

folks you have debated with for YEARS ... You have always been one who was respected...

With this man's posting history, God knows why. I sure don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:07 PM

Because for years he was a member of "the loyal opposition" and tried to be humorous and reasonable in his disputes.
   This issue has gotten awkward and divisive and made folks say things in ways they 'may' think better of later.

It is hard to tell in this virtual medium exactly what is in someone's heart.... I hazarded a guess that the specter of losing after 8 years of winning has been hard to take and made friendly banter difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:11 PM

We really have nothing to worry about, folks. Moose-dresser and Neiman-Marcus/Saks5thAve maven, Sarah, will be in charge of the Senate before she becomes prez, so she'll have lots of experience...just like Senator Obama (my emphasis):

Palin replied, "...a vice president has a really great job, because not only are they there to support the president's agenda, they're like the team member, the teammate to that president."

"But also, they're in charge of the United States Senate, so if they want to, they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom. And it's a great job and I look forward to having that job," she added.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:20 PM

It might be helpful to keep in mind that she was talking to children, and the Vice President does preside over the Senate.
                   In addition to that, when the president fosters legislation, members of the administration do in fact have to work with senators. I don't think she was really off base at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:25 PM

If Joe Biden had said it that way, you'd get the point....

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:27 PM

Sarah, will be in charge of the Senate before she becomes prez,

Unless of course McCain drops dead with surprise if he wins in November. Any vice-president has to be up to doing the job on Day One. More especially when the president is 72.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: jacqui.c
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:38 PM

She was not talking to children - she was talking to a REPORTER about an earlier meeting with children.

In any case, are you suggesting that it doesn't matter if she gives children an erroneous description of the VP's duties?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:38 PM

She was NOT talking directly to children. She was answering a question sent in by a boy to the tv journalist who was interviewing her. Using the children as an excuse is really something. By your standards, it's okay for her to give a child misinformation then they could grow up to be just like her! After all, what do kids know? You can tell them anything and they'll believe it, right? Telling them the truth doesn't matter.

The powers of the VP are spelled out very clearly and carefully in the Constitution. She really should read it.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:42 PM

"...are you suggesting that it doesn't matter if she gives children an erroneous description of the VP's duties?"


               I'm suggesting that if she were talking to children, she might feel like she needed to simplify things. But it's probably that way with reporters as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:44 PM

"The powers of the VP are spelled out very clearly and carefully in the Constitution. She really should read it."


                I cited the constitution on another thread. It says pretty much what Palin said

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:46 PM

"If Joe Biden had said it that way, you'd get the point...."


             If Joe Biden had said it, it probably would have had something to do with FDR taking command of the situation several years before he was elected and going on television twenty years before it was invented to calm the people.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:47 PM

Someday, I hope the Palin-scales fall from your eyes and you will see clearly. Until then, it is senseless to respond to you..it matters not what any might say...it will be the way you see it and that is that.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 07:50 PM

I suppose the good news is, the election will be over soon :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:01 PM

That's for dang sure. I can hardly wait.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:15 PM

That's not how I read the US Constitution, Rig. The role of Vice President in the Constitution is given fairly short shrift.

By the way, you need a shot of progesterone. To kind of balance it out, you know.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:21 PM

"I suppose the good news is, the election will be over soon :-) "

Not soon enough!!!!

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:29 PM

Palin has executive experience? She calls Obama a socialist? She levied a tax on the oil companies for taking the residents of Alaska's oil, and she gave it to the residents.That's not socialism? Along with that copy of the constitution, she should also pick up a dictionary!

Of course, she would have to be able to read something more complex than a tag on a Sachs dress.

She is NOT qualified to be VP, and certainly not to be president! She is dragging McBush down but of course, they will blame it on the media for asking hard questions.

By the way Ring, the latest poll today said the gap is getting wider. 10 points. You can see the panic in the faces of McCain and Palin. They are losing, and they know it. people are seeing through Caribou Barbie.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 08:32 PM

If she is so good at being an executive why did she leave her town in such heavy debt? Did they really need that arena at such a price? and on land that they didn't own?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:16 PM

Colin Powell, before his endorsement of Obama, had no record of challenging his superiors or pursuing an agenda that was not laid out for him. There was general agreement that he was a fine military officer and administrator, and one who could be trusted to get the job done. It was the neo-cons in the Bush administration that used his credibility to make the case for "war" at the UN, and they did so in my opinion knowing that their weapons of mass destruction data was flimsy at best; Powell certainly regretted being "used" in that fashion and I think that played a major role in why he was willing to take the "radical" (to him) step of endorsing Obama. I'm glad he did have the courage to do that, and I think he can rest easier himself knowing that he has repudiated the administration and its McCain successor. He may also feel as I do that Obama is intrinsically the better candidate.

What do you think about that reasoning, Doug? I wouldn't even make the effort to address that question to Rigslinger.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:19 PM

Wasn't this thread discussing Gen. Powell's endorsement of Senator Obama? Aren't there enough Palin threads already?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:29 PM

$150,000 worth.

And I doubt she could read the Saks tags - They had to do that for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 09:44 PM

Because for years he was a member of "the loyal opposition" and tried to be humorous and reasonable in his disputes.

Loyal, perhaps. Never humourous(except in his own mind), less than reasonable and increasingly so with the passage of time.

I don't see a great deal of difference between "then" and "now".

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:05 PM

Ebbie - progesterone.

             I had to look it up, but isn't that what Sarah Palin represents?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:22 PM

Gee, Greg F., are you trying to hurt my feelings? One of the things I always admired about you was your appreciation for my sense of humor!

Bill D.:I ain't brainwashed, and I ain't no neo-con, (by the way, is there such a thing as a neo-liberal?). The problem, I believe, is most of you folks think anyone who does not support Obama is a racist. Pretty narrow thinking in my opinion.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 10:23 PM

Nah. Hers is testosterone. Like yours. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:16 PM

"The problem, I believe, is most of you folks think anyone who does not support Obama is a racist."

ummmm..what to say to that...

got it...


piffle!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:16 PM

No, Doug, you have a perfect record of missing the point. One might think it was on purpose. Either that or you really do, in the grand tradition of GWB supporters on Mudcat, feel a obligation to turn off your brain before sitting down at the computer. As well as not even reading what you yourself say.

You made a sarcastic remark about all the wonderful things the Republicans had done for Powell--including making him the first black 4-star general-- ignoring the idea that he had achieved this by his own work and talent.

Do you deny this?

Your insinuation that all these positions were "given" to Powell by the generous Republicans is racist.

Not that we expect you to admit it.

After all, you're a gentleman, of course.   That, is, a genteel racist. That makes it all better. Or maybe not.

Actually it seems Greg has your number. Sometimes I think he's too harsh--but this time it fits perfectly.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:40 PM

The Republicans did not make Powell the first black four-star general...not by about 15 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Oct 08 - 11:43 PM

Interesting. Who was it then, if not Powell? It's always worthwhile to expand the stock of facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:16 AM

Daniel "Chappie" James

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:11 AM

Thanks, Kat.

So, Doug got even that allegation wrong.

Coming from a Bush/McCain supporter, I suppose that's not surprising. Facts have never meant much to them.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:19 AM

I had said, below, in re: DougR : Loyal, perhaps. Upon reflection, this is wrong.

These BuShites, like Douggie, can viciously turn on their own in a nanosecond. A few years ago, Gen. Powell was the hero of the BuShites- a veritable "Great Black Hope" about whom they couldn't say enough good.

However, once he's seen to be using his intelligence, thinking critically, and making a reasoned decision based on factual evidence (all of which activities are anathema to the true BuShite & inimical to their political agenda) he becomes an object of derision and an "enemy of America".

Were this not so disgusting, it might be amusing.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:50 AM

Saddam Hussein was our fair haired boy until he stopped being our puppet, then we turned on him and made him the devil.Same thing with Noriega.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Charley Noble
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 09:52 AM

Kendall-

We even turned the other cheek when Saddam's air force send a missile into one of our missile cruisers, almost sinking her in the Persian Gulf. Those were the days!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:12 AM

I have never met DougR, other than through the posts he graces these pages with. I seriously doubt he has ever participated in a cross burning, or a lynching. I would be surprised if I heard that the word n****r had ever crossed his lips. I cannot respond to what type of a person he is, because I don't live near him nor am I witness to his actions. But what can be responded to are the words he posts here. And that is what I did. What he posted was a racist, demeaning comment about a man of his own political party simply because that same man took a position in opposition.

DougR, don't you dare try to shift this off and change the premise. No one here forced you to write what you did. Had you given an opinion that was worthy of reason and debate, I would have responded with a reasonable argument. That is not what YOU DID. You are getting criticized, and rightly so, for your own comments. Had you shown the character to have reflected on those comments, apologized for them (or at least acknowledged that they were poorly thought out), and then stated your arguments in a better way, we would simply be debating the comments. And by the way, my response to them was wholly based on your own words, so you can lay off the whiny "I'm being attacked because I disagree with the liberal elite here" crap. That is simply an attempt to gain sympathy. You get none, sir. Your comments were reprehensible. Your comments are the kind that have allowed this type of racist rhetoric, and subconscious code words that appeal to the fears of people, to flourish. It is because decent people refuse to react with disgust that this goes on. But I will no longer allow these things to go unchallenged.

You say it, you will be held accountable. It is that simple.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:34 AM

"Saddam Hussein was our fair haired boy until he stopped being our puppet,..."


             The question that needs to be answered now is, who's puppet is Barack Hussein?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:07 AM

As an African American and, more importantly as a human being, let me say that I consider it important that Mick's statements and other such statements be publicly made.

The times, they are changing. More & more people are realizing that a person's racial and ethnic identity should be nothing more than a valueless descriptor.

But those times when race & ethnicity are valueless descriptors won't come without working to eradicate institutional racism. And those times won't come unless-without malice-examples of intended racism and examples of unintended racism are addressed.

I don't think that means that we should be play "gotcha" games when someone unknowingly makes a prejudiced remark, or when someone is unintentially racist in his or her actions. But if no one speaks up to let a person know that his or her remarks and/or actions are prejudiced, than a teaching moment for that individual and others would be missed.

Of course, it's not just what is said, but how and when it is said. Although I've tried, there have been times on this forum when I've forgotten that. So-yes-I'm talking to myself as well as to others.      

Letting go of old racial paradigms benefits us all. For our children and our children's sake, let's move on.