BS: Colin Powell supports Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:10 AM

Rig:

You are growing a layer of slime that gets deeper and deeper as the election grows closer.

Do you have any evidence at all that Mister Obama (to you) is anyone's puppet? Or are you just reeling in a fevered paranoid realm of delusion again?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:37 AM

No! All I have is suspicion. We'll have to wait and see who the winners and losers turn out to be after he's elected. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:37 AM

Azizi is right. Times are changing. There is a whole generation of young people out there who are helping tremendously with bringing about that change. The colour of a person's skin, their gender, ethnicity, religion/or not, etc. are not that by which they choose to judge a person.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: PoppaGator
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:46 AM

Most of the racism that exists nowadays is pretty much unconscious ~ which is why it's so insidious and difficult to overcome, even within one's own consciousness.

If this country did not have a long history of racial division, starting with, and rooted in, the institution of slavery, it would not be possible for demagogues to win elections by persuading people to vote against their own economic interests by selling them on the idea that any regulation or taxation of the richest of the rich can only lead to "unfair" favoritism toward some very vaguely defined "others" ~ people who are not "real Americans" like "you and me."

White men in this country are angry and frustrated because the average income they're able to earn does not nearly support the fairly modest middle-class lifestyle that they expect. (Hell, even nuclear families with two adult full-time earners can barely make ends meet; it really takes about two-and-a-half or three full-time incomes to live comfortably these days.)

And where is this anger directed? Against the astronomically paid bigwigs who are exploiting them? No!

For an entire generation (that's a third of a century, since around 1980), white-guy anger has been fixated on the false accusation that all their economic woes can be blamed on the poor people hogging all the money!

Can you imagine such a scenario taking place in a homogenous society like, say, Japan, where there is not "other," no "minority," available as a convenient scapegoat? No way!

Explicit racial talk is no longer necessary. The powerful economic elite ~ the real elite, not the educated class or the progressive thinkers ~ who brought you Nixon's "Southern Strategy" so many years ago are the same guys who sold Bush to the citizenry and are trying to cement their hold with a McCain/Palin administration.

They don't have to utter the "n-word" any more, and in fact have begun to change their picture of the scapegoat population by explicitly mentioning Latinos and gay people while keeping their mouths mostly shut about the black folk. But their strategy would never have gotten off the ground without the deep-seated impact of slavery and racism that has always been the dark side of our otherwise-cheerful-and-equitable national psyche.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:02 PM

I agree with the above posts about racism. I would just add that the use of racism in this country by moneyed elites really started with the Europeans' treatment of the native people's of the Western Hemisphere. They actually did try to use them as slaves (before they got the idea to bring people from Africa for that purpose), but it was too easy for the Native Americans to escape and never be seen again. They chose African peoples precisely because they had no history on this continent and would be easier to prevent from escaping and hiding, and because they couldn't blend in with the rest of the people of European origin, as escaped indentured servants of European origin could, because of the color of their skin.

All of which shows us just how arbitrary are the distinctions that are made by those who subscribe to racist ideas about people.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:21 PM

Perhaps so, but two of the principle reasons for the "need" to import African workers were (1) the "great die-off" of the native peoples caused by importation of European diseases into a totally un-immune population (generally estimated at 75-90%) and (2) the fact that Northern Europeans, indentured or not, could not do field labor in the heat and humidity of the middle Americas (roughly, Maryland to Brazil), and all exportable crops (rice, sugar, cotton) only grew in that region.

Why people that are generally hardier and more physically fit than their "owners" would be considered inferior is an interesting point of human psychology.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:30 PM

"...the fact that Northern Europeans, indentured or not, could not do field labor in the heat and humidity of the middle Americas..."


                   Now there's a racist statement!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM

That's correct, Art. Also, the Native American populations (specially in the Caribbean) tended to simply die off in droves when they were enslaved...due to some kind of cultural or psychological aspects that were unique to them (they seem to have instinctively preferred death to incarceration), whereas the Black Africans mostly survived the miserable conditions of slavery and were hard workers under those conditions.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:40 PM

All of which goes to show that racism is all about economics, and not genetics.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 02:26 PM

Well, Carol, I think we've found something to agree on.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 02:51 PM

For sure... Racism always has been about economics. To be poor and to be weak militarily is to be despised and taken advantage of when it comes to the exercise of political power in this world.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:21 PM

Art: I apologize for my error in naming Colin Powell as the first African-American four star general. I should have researched it and relied only on my memory.

Mick: I just re-read my post of October 20, the one that got you so riled up tossing the term racist around my neck. Perhaps people have different definitions of "racist." I read nothing in that post that I would interpret as racist, and I stand my my post.

As L.H. wrote in a recent post, I believe had a leading Democrat endorsed John McCain in the current campaign you folks would be just as judgmental of his motivations as I was of Powell's, and suspect that your remarks would have been similar (of course unless the leading Democrat was a African-American the "R" word would not have applied) but I'm confident that you would not have been pleased. Admittedly, I could be wrong, but I do believe that Powell will be rewarded with an important position in Obama's administration should he defeat McCain (which is still not a certainty).

Other than the fact that I am not a racist, and prior to now, have never been called one, that's all I have to say on the subject.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 06:45 PM

I would very much appreciate it if people would stop labelling other people as racists within the membership of this forum. It leads nowhere good to do that. As I said to someone awhile back, it amounts to verbally punching someone in the nose, and there is no way they can ever prove they are NOT racist, once accused of it...just as there was no way that anyone in Salem could ever prove they were NOT a witch, once accused of it. The accusation is the damnation.

The same goes for calling people anti-Semitic in the present political milieu. Those terms, "racist" and "anti-semite" have both become a way of intimidating and silencing others and, in effect, excommunicating them from the fellowship of their peers.

I think Doug's views of Colin Powell's character and motivations are entirely incorrect, but I will not call him "racist" on account of expressing those views. I will simply say that I think he is very much in error.

Doug, I expect that Obama may give Powell a significant place in the new administration if Obama wins the election. I would if I was Obama. Colin Powell is a very capable man.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 07:41 PM

L.H.: I would too.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 08:37 PM

Imo, indicating that you perceive a statement or action to be racist is not the same as "labeling a person racist".

As to what good it would do to point out such statements, I stand by what I wrote in my 23 Oct 08 - 11:07 AM post to this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 10:44 PM

Among those who have deserted the GOP ranks are a bunch with familiar surnames:

Buckley
Eisenhower
Goldwater
Reagan
Buckley

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: TIA
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:00 PM

"I believe had a leading Democrat endorsed John McCain in the current campaign you folks would be just as judgmental of his motivations as I was of Powell's"

E.G. Joe Lieberman.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ron Davies
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:30 PM

Doug--

You stand by your post. That is, the one which sarcastically named the positions supposedly given to Powell, with no hint of any knowledge on your part that Powell had earned any of them. That is a racist statement-- no surprise you refuse to acknowledge it. Your kind never does.

As I said, you are a "gentleman" and a racist. A genteel racist.

QED

And we don't actually need racists--of any kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 11:31 PM

Of course you can't see the racism in the post, Doug. That is exactly the point. And a correction to your comments. I said, several times, that your comments are racist. I think I made it clear in the last post that I don't know if you are a racist or not, but your post is clearly a racist one. You see, that is the problem with folks. They just can't believe, in the face of several hundred years of evidence to the contrary, that their actions and words are racist. It takes a desire to acknowledge that it exists, and then a desire to see how it manifests itself. It appears to me, sir, that you desire neither to acknowledge it, or to see it in your words, even though any number of folks here have pointed out that it sure appeared that way to them. It might not have been your intent, but the effect was the same.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 12:52 AM

dick:The only response I can think of to your post listing the Republicans that have repudiated the party is: horsepucky! I would like to think that you spent a few too many hours at the local pub before your posted that message. Four of the five names mentioned have gone on to their great reward, and unless you have a super duper form of communication with those in the great beyond, you are full of you know what.

Mick: It's a bit late tonight as I write this and I won't respond to your last post, or the post on October 20th, of which you are so proud. This promise I make to you, though, I will post a reply to your October 20th reply tomorrow. I would suggest, however, that you re-read that post to be sure you really meant what you said in response to my post of the same date.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:26 AM

I don't think Doug's comments were racist. Having seen his posts over the years, I think that party loyalty means more to him than reason. You don't have to think about each pesky thing that comes up if you just go along with the party position and just repeat the party line.

As for the role of Republicans in Gen Powell's career, he was appointed CJCoS when Bill Clinton was president. His career seems to have involved with working with both Democrats AND Republicans, and the military is NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANY PARTY.

And Doug... not everybody with the surnames Dick listed is dead.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: freda underhill
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 08:41 AM

i have a friend who worked in Ireland as part of the peace process between Protestants and Catholics. he was part of of process where they got groups of people in the same neighbourhood together - to listen to each other.

there was a huge amount of listening (not blaming, arguing, disagreeing) and it was the way forward.

how anyone can move forward after 800 years of oppression and violence i don't know, but they're doing it.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:20 AM

Jeri, Gen. Powell was appointed Chairman of the JCS in October 1989, by Bush I. He remained in that position until September 1993, well after Clinton's election.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:38 AM

...whereas the Black Africans mostly survived the miserable conditions of slavery and were hard workers under those conditions.

This is also untrue- and verges on a racist/social Darwinian perspective. Fact is, they died like flies under those "miserable conditions".

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:47 AM

Doug R said:

dick:The only response I can think of to your post listing the Republicans that have repudiated the party is: horsepucky! I would like to think that you spent a few too many hours at the local pub before your posted that message. Four of the five names mentioned have gone on to their great reward, and unless you have a super duper form of communication with those in the great beyond, you are full of you know what.

Okay, let's look at the list:

Bill Buckley, deceased, left the Republican party to co-found the Conservative Party in New York. His lifelong identification was more with conservative positions than with the Republican party as such.

Eisenhower? I certainly don't remember his having left the Republican Party. He was, as I recall, essentially apolitical until he decided, after some wavering, to run as a Republican

Goldwater? I don't remember his leaving the Republican Party. He DID endorse Bill Buckley for mayor of NYC under the Conservative banner. I don't know that he gave up being a Republican.

Ronald Reagan? He was originally a Democrat, and eventually ended up a Republican.

Christopher Buckley (Bill Buckley's son) recently endorsed Obama. I don't know what he considers himself now.

So three of them might be said (however vaguely or temporarily) to have deserted the Republican party.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 09:54 AM

Bill Buckley's son, and Dwight Eisenhower and Barry Goldwater's grand daughters, all of whom are Republicans (or perhaps were) have endorsed Obama. Ron Reagan was probably never a Republican.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:09 AM

CarolC said (for some reason, I guess):

Ron Reagan was probably never a Republican

Then why did they nominate and elect him as President?

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:13 AM

Dave, Ron Reagan the son, not Ronald Reagan the president.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:14 AM

What about Scott McLallen? Just another turn coat?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 10:17 AM

Not Ronald Reagan. Ron Reagan, Ronald Reagan's son. Believe it or not, people do sometimes pass their names down to subsequent generations.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 11:02 AM

Thinking it over there's another interpretation for that post which isn not racist, but merely involves recognising the existence of racism.

In a racist society, it can be argued, there is a certain political cost and a certain risk in appointing the best candidate to a job, if that is likely to upset racist voters etc. The appointment of Colin Powell therefore would have involved accepting that cost, and facing that risk. This means that the fact that he is African American is relevant.

Of course even if this interpretation is accepted, there is still the assumption that public servants ought to owe loyalties to those who appoint them which should outweigh their loyalties to the public at large, and that, I would suggest, is totally unacceptable. Personal loyalties should never be given priority over loyalties to the public.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 01:04 PM

Several of the TV programs Doug R probably does not watch have been noting that the decendents of those famous Republicans have opted to vote for Obama... we'll have to excuse him for not realizing the point. I doubt that Bill O'Reilly mentioned the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 01:10 PM

I've come to like Keith Olberman and Rachael Maddow. They tell it like I see it.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 01:42 PM

You need to get your glasses checked!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 01:47 PM

ANd you, your very soul.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:25 PM

The world for people who get their information from FOX NEWS must resemble the world as it was understood before the time of Columbus. A small island of known territory surrounded by a vast sea filled with monsters.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:45 PM

I believe that there was some mention on this thread of a McCain volunteer in Pittsburgh, PA who filed a police report that she was robbed by a Black man who carved a letter "B" on her face (that letter supposedly standing for "Barack"}.

I'm posting the information for the record, that the woman has recanted her statement. For some reason, she made it all up.

See this online report from Pittsburgh's tv station http://kdka.com/ :

Police: Campaign Volunteer Lied, Injured Self
"Police say a campaign volunteer confessed to making up a story that a mugger attacked her and cut the letter B in her face after seeing her McCain bumper sticker. At a news conference this afternoon, offiicals said they believe the woman's injuries were self-inflicted. Ashley Todd, 20, is now facing charges for filing a false report to police."

-snip-

Those interested in this story may want to read this dailykos diary:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/24/131858/60/749/640996
The "mutilated" victim admits making it up! (Updated)
by cartwrightdale
Fri Oct 24, 2008 at 10:20:11 AM PDT

Here's one quote included in that diary from Michelle Malkin of Fox News before that McCain volunteer recanted her story:

"This incident could become a watershed event in the 11 days before the election. If Ms. Todd's allegations are proven accurate, some voters may revisit their support for Senator Obama, not because they are racists (with due respect to Rep. John Murtha), but because they suddenly feel they do not know enough about the Democratic nominee. If the incident turns out to be a hoax, Senator McCain's quest for the presidency is over, forever linked to race-baiting".

-snip-

See this report from another Pittsburgh television station about Representative John Murtha's recent comment {and then his rescinding that comment} that, in his opinion, a lot of White people in Western Pennsylvania are racist.

As an aside, the woman who made up that horrible story said that it happened in a majority White working class neighborhood that is less than 5 minutes by car from my majority Black working class neighborhood.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:49 PM

And people who receive their information from MSNBC are like Rip Van Winkle. They've been lulled into a 20 year sleep and when they finally wake up they can't figure out what's going on.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 03:57 PM

I "misspoke". Rep. Murtha {Democrat} didn't completely rescind his statement.

Initially, "Murtha, the 17-term Democratic congressman, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in a story posted Wednesday on post-gazette.com: "There is no question that western Pennsylvania is a racist area"

But after receiving complaints from some of his constitutients and other Western Pennsylvania, "On Thursday morning, Murtha's office released a statement saying, "I apologize for making the comment that 'Western Pennsylvania is a racist area.' While we cannot deny that race is a factor in this election, I believe we've been able to look beyond race these past few months, and that voters today are concerned with the policy differences of our two candidates and their vision for the future of our great country."

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/politics/17726961/detail.html

Fwiw, Murtha backed Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 04:47 PM

GregF: does that quote come from someplace on this thread? I couldn't find it.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: heric
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:19 PM

You can detect racist comments where no malice was intended with great frequency. To simplify my life I never use the term racist, but will express disdain for bigotry, where malice is intended. Undoubtedly you could scour mudcat threads and find a books' worth of racist comments spoken in favor of certain minorities or exploited groups.

Which reminds me of a little story of no real relevance. My daughter and I were sitting in a waiting room at school. There was an elegant and well dressed Latin woman, with an accent, and a bleached blonde neighbor of ours.

The Latin lady said: "What is big-OH-tree?" Pardon, we asked. She pointed to a poster on the wall, with a blurb about bigotry.

The blonde said "Um. Well. You know, like, um, Hispanics."

My daughter thought that wasn't the best answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:33 PM

List of prominent Republicans supporting Senator Obama:

Obamacans: Prominent Republicans Line-Up Behind Obama
WASHINGTON WIRE
Political Insight and Analysis From The Wall Street Journal's Capital Bureau -Susan Davis

"Since Colin Powell crossed party lines to endorse Barack Obama last Sunday, a steady stream of prominent Republicans have endorsed the Illinois senator over rival John McCain.

"Former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld is endorsing Obama today at a press conference in Salem, N.H. Weld was a public supporter of Mitt Romney in the Republican primaries. In a statement, Weld called Obama a "once-in-a-lifetime candidate who will transform our politics and restore America's standing in the world."

On Thursday, former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson endorsed Obama at the state capitol. "I think we have in Barack Obama the clear possibility of a truly great president," he said. "I would contend that it's the most important election of my lifetime."

Scott McClellan, a former spokesman for President George W. Bush, also endorsed Obama Thursday. USA Today reported that McClellan told CNN in a taping to be aired this weekend that Obama has "the best chance of changing the way Washington works."

Ken Adelman, a prominent conservative on foreign policy matters announced his support for Obama on Tuesday, telling the New Yorker that his decision was based on temperament and judgment.

Adelman called McCain "impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird" in his handling of the U.S. economic crisis. He also was unsettled by McCain's choice of running mate. "Not only is Sarah Palin not close to being acceptable in high office—I would not have hired her for even a mid-level post in the arms-control agency," Adelman wrote".

Add Charles Fried, a Harvard Law professor and former Solicitor General in the Reagan administration, to the list of Republicans supporting Obama. Fried's vote for the Democratic ticket is particularly harsh, as he was associated with the McCain campaign. Fried voted absentee for Obama this week, and informed McCain campaign general counsel Trevor Potter of his decision in a letter where he stated he could not support McCain in large part because of his selection of Palin as his running mate."

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/10/24/obamacans-prominent-republicans-line-up-behind-obama/

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:41 PM

Mick: My reply to your post attacking me as a racist:

Paragraph #1. These are irrefutable facts, not opinion.

Paragraph #2. This is opinion, or prediction if you please. I assume, since we reside in the country that you obviously love so well, that citizens are still allowed to have opinions even though they may not agree with your own.

The balance of your post had nothing to do with my post. I never questioned your patriotism, didn't try to convert you to my religion, and as a U. S. Army veteran myself, I have the greatest respect for anyone who wore our country's uniform. I don't know where you were going with that verbiage but it darned sure had nothing to do with my post.

I do have one question for you, however. Who appointed you arbiter of what is and what is not a racist statement? Joe? Max? God?

Check out Carol C's post of 20 Oct.-10:41PM: "I lost all respect for Colin Powel because of that speech before the United Nations. As far as I was concerned he had sold his soul." In the next paragraph she states that he has almost redeemed himself by doing something of which she approves.

Is Carol C. a racist?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:49 PM

IF you had not, in your post, anchored so many of your observations to the fact of Powell being an African American, Doug, the racist overtone (unintended or not) would never have been inferred. You should take responsibility for that unnecessary emphasis. You made a direct implication that his accomplishments were related to his race, rather than based on his merit. I KNOW you did not mean to imply it was special treatment, or undeserved, but why, then, keep repeating the fact of his race if you did not mean to emphasize it?


A

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:59 PM

Because, Amos, it was important to point out that Powell WAS the first African American to occupy those positions. Do you think for one minute he is NOT proud of that? If it's not important, why is your candidate so eager to point out that if elected HE will be the first African American President of the United States. Obama has not attempted to keep it a secret has he?

Jeeze! What's with you guys?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 05:59 PM

Good thing I don't get all of my information from MSNBC.

On the subject of that young woman who lied about being attacked by an Obama supporter - what that woman tried to do is one of the most reprehensible (and racist) things a person can do. She was willing to start a race war just to get her candidate elected or for her fifteen minutes of fame. And the really sad part is that what she did is entirely in keeping with the ethic of the McCain campaign. The whole campaign would rather start a race war than see their candidate lose.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:27 PM

ART:

RE: Quote-

see Little Hawk
Date: 23 Oct 08 - 12:35 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:32 PM

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:44 PM

"Good thing I don't get all of my information from MSNBC."



               Yes, it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 08 - 06:48 PM

"...why is your candidate so eager to point out that if elected HE will be the first African American President of the United States.?"

Funny...I have not heard him discuss it in that way. **EAGER**??? That's silly!

The only point I have heard Obama make about the situation is that it is heartening to know that the USA has progressed far enough that it was even POSSIBLE for him to get this nomination!

50 years ago, he'd never have had a chance. Now he does....It is good for America whether he wins or loses.

and by the way...let's keep it accurate, he would not be "the first African American President"...he would be the first president with some African American heritage. Some folks ...on both sides... tend to dismiss the fact that the other side of his family were from Kansas, and that he actually has some Irish heritage. He is a nice guy who lived an interesting life and followed a path that put him in position to compete for this position.....and whose father was from Kenya.