BS: Trump

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:50 AM

Is Mr Trump unstoppable?    Has America finally lost patience with politicians?.......Will Mrs Palin take over from Mrs Clinton? :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:55 AM

I wish some of the experts like Amos would come back and give us their views on how America is moving politically.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 08:15 AM

Trump is dominating the Republican primaries. But even most Republicans support other candidates.

And there are more Democrats than Republicans. There are also a great any independents (non-aligned).

So even if Trump can marshal nearly 50% of GOP votes in one caucus state (Nevada), that's only about one-fifth of the voters.

The Dems have so much "oppo" ("opposition research," or "dirt") on Trump that - unless Cruz or Rubio beats them to it - they can make him look like the loose cannon/ egomaniac/ know-nothing he is.

So I'm not too worried.

Yet. We have a proverb: "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 01:19 PM

Trump is yet another example of the death throws of the GOP. As the reactionaries and mean mouthed bigots come to dominate the primaries, the are becoming less and less likely to win general elections, ten or fifteen years from now, they will be irrelevant.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Sorry mods
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 01:20 PM

I logged out to post this.

An expert opinion has be requested (no, I am NOT Amos).

The Repugnants and Demagogues are one under the guise of different ideologies and goals and they play the game well together. This ongoing dog and pony show (DPS) with Trump as the chief clown is an example par excellence. Allow me to explain. Bear with me while I jump back and forth in my hypotheses.

Sanders is a very real threat(s) to the Man Behind the Curtain (MBC... those wealthy who control policy in the USA and beyond) whether it be domestic or foreign based threats in military or environmental or whatever issues/actions which may hurt the MBC. The MBC orchestrates a DPS which has the most chance of ensuring Clinton will be elected.

How so? Where's my proof? WTF???

Look at the Repugnant candidates. Religious lunatics, incompetents, truly nasty and lying SOBs, Evil Doers who control the SCOTUS, the works. Fear is spread that an asshole will be elected because MBC has put assholes up for consideration and made sure the non-assholes got turfed early on with big $$$.

So, fear is "imposed". Fear of an asshole being elected has the best chance of ensuring a Clinton presidency.

Fear will sway a LOT of people to vote for Clinton in the end of it all. So, pay no attention to the Repugnant DPS. Pay attention to Clinton-Sanders and pay attention to the "fear". Sanders is actually ahead right now in REAL delegates and REAL popular endorsements. That's why the claws have come out... sillyass shit like "Sanders" is a one issue candidate and such. I expect it will get worse.

No, I haven't discussed all the issues that go into analyzing Clinton v Sanders but I think I did what I said I would do and that was to explain that the Repugnant DPS run by the MBC is meant to use fear as a tool in getting Sanders "not elected" SCOTUS.

YMMV.

P.S. The recent federal Canadian election is a fine example of the use of fear in elections.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 02:10 PM

One side of the coin:

If it comes down to a Trump v Clinton election, the winner will be the one who is hated the least by people within his/her own party. There are large numbers of Democrats who dislike Hillary and large numbers of Republicans who dislike The Donald. The deciding factor will be whether those non-fans will hold their noses and vote for someone they don't like. On that score, I think Clinton comes out ahead. Most Sanders supporters would probably be willing to vote for Clinton, but I don't think a lot of mainstream Republicans would vote for Trump.

The other side of the coin:

Republicans hate Hillary Clinton so much that they'd vote for Beelzebub himself if it would keep her from becoming President.



Flip the coin.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 04:58 PM

Thanks guys, some good comments there.
GUEST Sorry Mods.....enjoyed your post....but...but.

" Fear of an asshole being elected has the best chance of ensuring a Clinton presidency".............but surely Clinton is the biggest most dangerous asshole of all(Libya/Iraq)?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:16 PM

"Most dangerous"?

How about Trump's Nevada victory speech in which he gloated, "Now we're going to get greedy for the United States — we're going to grab and grab and grab. We're going to bring in so much money and so much everything."

Or the other day, when he said of a disruptive protester, "You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. I'd like to punch him in the face!"

Q: What noted Italian politician of the '20s and '30s does he remind you of?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:20 PM

surely Clinton is the biggest most dangerous asshole of all

On the basis of that statement, Ake, I believe that honor definately belongs to you.

Once again, you're simply displaying a total ignorance of the Republican candidates.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:30 PM

Yes I see that Lighter, but at this stage we are dealing in rhetoric, politicians say what they think their constituents want to hear.
Mrs Clinton has actually had her hands on the levers of power and made an horrific mess of it, the results of which may be irreparable?
She has proved herself un-statesmanlike.

Even someone like Mr Trump who's policies I oppose may turn out to be the man of the hour.
America badly needs leadership and from here it looks as if many even in the Democratic Party just do not trust her or ex President Bill.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,GUEST, keberoxu
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:44 PM

I searched this thread, and maybe I missed it, but....has no one used the A-word? I'm not being superstitious because the year is number 2016, either.

How could someone this extreme get into the Oval Office and not attract assassination attempts? One extreme ignites another.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 10:08 PM

Even someone like Mr Trump who's policies I oppose may turn out to be the man of the hour.

I take it back, Ake -You're not an ignorant asshole after all. You're insane.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:20 AM

Hillary will smoke him in the general election and will be the next president.. And I will be over the moon happy.. And I will send you a picture of me with my feet up in the oval Office.. Oh yes

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:24 AM

I was just listening to Cruz talking to megyn Kelly... Yikes he scares me as bad as the Donald.. However, if you turn the volume off and don't listen, megyn Kelly is a cutie.. I like her new hair do

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:33 AM

Cnn is talking about trump not releasing his tax return.. Romney is asking the question, interesting.. I wonder why.. Hillary released hers a long time ago.. Who is hiding what

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:39 AM

What do you think will replace the Republican party when they go extinct after the election

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,poise
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 12:52 AM

Your feet up...priceless Old Dude:-)

I was hoping my Mom would see a woman in Office this election but ironically my sisters did her in. She had been following politics since Wendell Willkie

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 06:37 PM

Hey, I haven't read the whole thread here. This is something I posted elsewhere, that gnu thought might be appropriate in this thread...

"DONALD Trump will sweep Super Tuesday balloting, pretty much assuring him of the Republican Nomination. At that point, he will begin a gradual drift toward the center that will continue into the convention.
At heart, he is certainly no right wing ideologue, as some are portraying him. He is a pragmatic egotist who knows that no one wins the Repub nomination without solid support from the extreme Right.
Once they have given him what he wants, the nomination, he will begin to mend fences with the party stalwarts and the big funders like the Koch brothers. His tone, manner, and language will become much more moderate as he begins selling himself to the Centerists and fiscal conservatives, who really have no other choice but to support him. You will see the statesman-like Trump, a man that will have many Republican centerists begin giving him their grudging attention.
By the time of the general election, he counts on all of his bellicose and racist rhetoric being put in the past. The job becomes, then, to paint Clinton as a corrupt liberal party-pawn, and he may have the money to do it, and to portray himself as the common sense, moderate alternative. His religious conservatives that delivered him the nomination will also find they have no alternative but to continue to support him, though the fervor will be gone.
You watch"

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 07:55 PM

EJ.....That's just about the most realistic commentary that I've seen posted....congratulations.

I've been saying for years that to effect realistic change, you first have to carry the right, Mr Trump is nobody's fool, your scenario is interesting and perhaps we could be seeing the start of the fracture of the American "Two party system" (with one agenda).
Talking heads on one of our political weekly shows to-night unanimously made Mr Trump favourite to take the presidency.

The reason? Mr Sanders' perceived "Socialism" will alienate a large sector of the American centre left, handing the candidacy to corporate supporter Mrs Clinton.
Mr Trump will then work on public distrust of the Clintons to promote himself as apolitical, the new broom, untainted by political or corporate affiliations.

More or less the scenario which you have projected.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:42 PM

Don't get me wrong. I do not think Donald Trump is in any way good for the country. His rise is a signifier of several things: Widespread frustration, dissatisfaction and anger that desires fast solutions to complex problems among the voters. The near complete conversion of the Republican Party into a pseudo-patriotic rabble. And a revelation of the electoral process as what it is becoming, a reality show with strategic product placement. The fact the Trump will change chameleon-like to whatever suits his ultimate purpose just reveals what a grand manipulator he is. His lack of any basic belief in anything beyond his own personal greatness is not something that should capture the hopes of those looking for a new birth of freedom, or even a return to the glorious and mystical past. What he is selling is a bottle labeled Hope, that in fact contain effervescent sugar-water.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:50 PM

I pretty much agree with that as well EJ, but surely it would be "good for the country" to see an end to the stupid Pubs/Dem phoney war?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:52 PM

Nope sorry hillary all theway my ffriends

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 12:54 PM

I going to have a cigar in the oval Office, hopefully not one of bill Clintons

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 01:04 PM

Well, I sort of hope you get your wish Dan.   Just for you mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 01:04 PM

Trump's popularity will start to wane when he's given enough rope and pushes the assholery too far. I don't know what "too far" means, though.

There's a large element that would rather destroy the country (and the world, I think) than admit they might have missed some important things and change is needed.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 01:06 PM

olddude, I hope you have that cigar. Make sure it's still in a wrapper.

Akenaton, what makes you think Trump would end any wars? We are going to decrease the bombing, and increase the waterboarding? As for the phony wars, there were some fairly good grounds for going into Afghanistan, if not for continuing an occupation. Iraq? Sure, that was a Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld boondoggle, but for Obama, just walking away from the mess there has certainly been no simple task.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 02:04 PM

Sorry EJ, I meant the phoney war between Republicans and Democrats

The followers of both parties seem terribly polarised.
Maybe if more folks challenged the Party system change would come with the right people, not Party hacks.

I suppose in America huge sums of money are required from both Democrat and Republican candidates, so it is not easy to get people who actually want to change the system into position?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: olddude
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 02:40 PM

Absolutely no Monica left overs Lol

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 05:04 PM

"I suppose in America huge sums of money are required from both Democrat and Republican candidates, so it is not easy to get people who actually want to change the system into position?"

Everyone hang unto your hats, Ake got something about the American political scene right.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 05:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4OwJOVi0ec

From a person from the other side of Trump's proposed wall.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 06:16 PM

In both parties, the party regulars (establishment) had political debts to their respective dynasties(Clinton, Bush) that were called in before the primaries began. So both the RNC and the DNC tried to smooth the way for their heirs apparent. The RNC made Florida an all-or-nothing primary, thinking Jeb! would get the most votes in his home state. Now, well on Tuesday actually, Trump will get all of Florida's delegates and that will clinch his nomination. I'm just guessing about the future of course, but Governor Christie's endorsement of Trump suggests that he shares my view. The DNC appointed Debbie Schultz as their chairman, not what you would call an unbiased choice, and it changed the rules about taking PAC money in order to give Ms. Clinton access to more funds. The scheduling of the debates was obviously designed to help her too. Moreover, the super-delegates are almost all regulars and so almost all of them are voting for Hillary. Trouble is this arrangement leaves the young voters, who overwhelmingly support Senator Sanders, and those independent voters who favor Sanders seeing the fix was in. If Trump wins, an outcome neither the RNC nor the DNC wants, part of the blame will lie at their feet.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Airymouse
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:34 PM

Oops The Florida primary is on March 15th, but we will have a clear view of Trump's triumph by March 2nd.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Donuel
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 07:55 PM

You know my name but I never wanted to hare it the The Donald.

Once Trump is elected there will be the Trail of Tears II.
All the politicians who pleaded moderate and there staff will be marched out of town to the Mason Dixon line.

Already the people in Washington who actually knew how to get things done are being expelled by budget tricks and pay cuts.

There are so few knowledgeable staffers that Corporations are writing the laws of the land and this is considered normal.

Yes there are stupid regulations to prevent corrupt graft and stealing but with a Trump Presidency it will be privatization giveaway while the true honest genius government employees will be decimated AGAIN.--

Some people think that the private sector is the point of the spear of progress but it is never the case especially in the early stages

Every success claimed by the March of Dimes clinics was given to them by the NIH.

The goal of Billionaires is right out of a Bond film when they drown the embattled government in a bathtub so the rich boys can raid the cookie jar.

THERE WILL BE dEALS WITHOUT democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 03:43 AM

Well. I've been watching some of the news shots on line and Fox News seem to hate Mr Trump even more than the Democrats do. You guys all seem to hate Fox News.....how does that work?...is it all just a political charade?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 04:16 AM

welcome to the real world spb, but the british perfected water boarding on irish prisoners illegally detained during the seventies in northern ireland, and then their experts in torture taught the americans how to do it. not to mention the convictions for troture of british regiments in iraq near basra. the british have always used torture. in kenya over a hundred thousand illegally detained and beaten and starved, one autheor says a half million.

the anglo powers have always used torture. they have usually had compliant media to help with a cover up, but they have always used torture.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:17 AM

Nobody posting to this thread should fail to watch last Thursday's debate or Trump's unbelievable two-hour tirade yesterday. I've never seen anything like either in American politics.

Trump also told Andy Cuomo of CNN that a likely reason for the IRS audit of his tax records is that he's "a strong Christian."

Ponder that statement.

In fact, the IRS routinely audits the tax returns of people who earn millions a year. Including Trump.

And if you're comparing Hillary's judgment to Donnie's, recall his plan to drop thousands of paratroopers into Iraq and Syria to seize the oil fields, seal them off, and start pumping the oil for ojrslves.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:44 AM

"Trump terrifies the establishment. He has survived attacks by his own party, by the Democrats, the Pope, the Chinese government, former Mexican Vicente Fox and many more. He is unstoppable. People want change. Not the empty establishment change of Obama, but a true change.

With any luck Trump will prosecute the Bush and Clinton crime families, dismantle the IRS, and build a wall along the Mexican border to keep the drug cartels and the unvetted terrorists out of the U.S.

I never thought I would be happy with a presidential candidate again, but I am."

A perfect illustration of what's wrong with democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 09:58 AM

Trump terrifies the establishment.

Trump terrifies the intelligent.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 10:25 AM

Fox News seem to hate Mr Trump even more than the Democrats do... how does that work?

Easy. The Roger Ailes bullshit machine pretty much created the ignorant, racist, blowhard, nasty piece of felon dirt that Trump is, and instead of being grateful, their creation has bit 'em in the ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:44 AM

Well, I'm beginning to think Mr Trump is a very clever and able man and is likely to be the next president of the USA.

EJ's summation of his campaign was right on the button.

I suppose that as someone above suggested, there is always the chance that Mr Trump will be assassinated by the "left".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:50 AM

Well I'm beginning to think that Mr Trump is clever and able and likely to be next president of the USA.
EJ's summation of his campaign was right on the button.

I suppose as someone above suggested, there is always assassination, but are the Clintons desperate enough?

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:15 PM

' I suppose that as someone above suggested, there is always the chance that Mr Trump will be assassinated by the "left". '

It's more likely the Republican Party would bump him off. But I may 'misunderestimate' what you mean by "left".

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:27 PM

Hey #, is there a GoFundMe page for that? ;)

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 01:57 PM

"With any luck Trump will... build a wall along the Mexican border to keep the drug cartels... out of the U.S."

This person seems to be under the delusion that drugs are smuggled into the US by Mexicans hiking across the border with backpacks full of contraband. In fact, most of the drug traffic from Mexico comes into the US either hidden in vehicles passing through manned checkpoints, via tunnels dug under the border, or by boat. Exactly how a wall could affect either of those smuggling modes is a mystery to me.

Anyway, as has been said before, "If the US builds a 12-foot wall, it will only prove to be a financial boon to Mexicans making 13-foot ladders."

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:33 PM

But I may 'misunderestimate' what you mean by "left".

HEdoesn't understand what he means by "left" since most of the U.S. population - including the current Democrat and Republiturd parties are considerably right of center.

The only thong approaching a viable "left" in the U.S. is Mr. Sanders, god bless him.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 02:38 PM

Bernie Sanders and "thong" in the same sentence. Silent scream...

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 05:03 PM

Hi #, sorry about that, made a bit of a bollocks there.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 03:51 AM

Hi, Ake. No problem :-)

What is happening in the US is the meltdown of the Republican Party itself. Federally, they have been crap for all of this century, and worse, they keep on providing proof for that conclusion. Eight years under Cheney/Wolfowitz/Rumsfeld/Bush and eight under Obama, the Republican Party has demonstrated its ability to lie, cheat, steal and generally screw up everything it touches. They are so wrapped up in their internecine rivalries that they're coming apart, and that is no less than the Republican Party deserves for providing sixteen years of garbage politics, obstructionist tactics in the House and Senate, and a willingness to hurt economically poor citizens in its march to the greater glory of the lunatic chorus led by people of dubious mental abilities. Here I include Palin, Bachmann, Cruz, Trump: basically, the people who come to mind when one thinks of the term 'stupid and proud of it'. However, it's equally wise to beware of stupid people in groups. The problem the Republicans face--and no mistake, they did bring it on themselves--stems from the people who give lip-service to whatever plays well for the audience of the moment. The Republicans have direction problems: anti-policies aren't policies, no matter how much they may wish it were so. Google

Washington Post Kareem-Abdul Jabbar

and read his column of Feb.1, 2016. IMO, he has a good grasp of the situation.

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 09:46 AM

Only a matter of time until Heil Donald!

Subject: RE: BS: Trump
From: gillymor
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 11:43 AM

The strategy of running to the right to gain the GOP nomination and swinging back to the center in the general election, as most GOP candidates do, probably won't work for Trump. He's taken such extreme views to solidify his core constituency, poorly educated white males, that any pretense of moderation or softening of his demagoguery will alienate that large but stagnant voting block, who are not enthusiastic voters to begin with. Even with this triangulation he won't get much traction with Democrats considering the platform of racism and intolerance that he presently espouses. I can see the Super PAC TV ads now with Trump railing against Mexicans and Muslims, proposing the murder of terrorist's families and enhanced torture. He's painted himself into a corner and the RNC knows this and are currently searching for ways to circumvent the democratic process, a process they show little respect for.