bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: theleveller
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 03:34 PM

Oh, and by the way, as to "although why you are still here and not in Moscow, I cannot imagine !!!" I suggest that you keep up with what's happening in the real world - Russia is no longer a communist country. You have obviously totally lost your grip on reality!

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 04:00 PM

Leveller - nah...think GP might fall more likely in his other "trendy liberal" box (oh....unless communism interchangeable with trendy liberalism?) ...... :)

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Gervase
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 04:19 PM

Green Party? Bloody long-haired, work-shy, sandal-wearing, soap-dodging, tree-hugging hippies! And as for that Wedgie Benn...
Now where's my Daily Express?
;-)

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: bubblyrat
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 06:11 PM

Dear Leeneia,
                Thankyou ! Yes, the gardens were truly lovely ,a beacon of hope and,dare I say it,continuity in theses troubled and angst-ridden times -----a bit like the Royal Family ,really,although some of our fellow Mudcatters would seemingly prefer otherwise !!
          There are beautiful trees,and shrubs,and flower-beds,and lawns,and a splendid lake in and on which ducks,coots,moorhens and grebes live and breed ! And the Queen's "Summerhouse" is quite delightful,and through its windows one can see some of HM's intimate things,like her Croquet -set,chairs,things to do with her dogs, etc.---really quite charming . Further on, one discovers a small garden porch,surrounding a bench,in a veritable bower,in fact,on which we saw an elderly couple sitting,wrapped up in each other's company,oblivious to our inquisitive glances;--- ,again,most charming !
A seemingly little-used tennis-court is the salient feature of the Hyde Park (and noisy )end of the garden, after which one is drawn back to the lake ,the predominant lake,once more.All of the trees,shrubs,and plants are labelled most comprehensively,and some are obviously of some great antiquity.In all, a most pleasant ,calming,and relaxing experience,and what a privilege to have been allowed to share it, although I am glad that " The Leveller" was not there ----imagine his reaction to all these nice things that his father,etc,did not risk life and limb for !! But that's another story !
   Meanwhile, I should like to say to "Manfred", that there was never ANY danger of my Father killing him, as 214 squadron did not drop bombs,at least in 1944-45----they only disrupted Freya and Wurzburg radars electronically,and dropped "Window" to confuse the enemy.I think my Dad was pleased about that (not killing anyone)---I know I am !How about you, "Leveller" ???

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: bubblyrat
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 06:32 PM

Oh yes !! And any of you out there are more than welcome to "Google" Number 214 (Federated Malay States) Squadron, RAF,and take a look at my father,John Tudor Mills,and his pilot,Sqdn/Ldr Ralph Van Den Bok ,DFC **, and tell me if they look like killers !! ( They never killed anyone !!).Well, not in 1944-45, anyway ---Van Den Bok DID attack the "Scharnhorst" in 1942, and he WAS shot down over Belgium by Hauptmann Wilhelm Herget (he escaped,but the Nazis shot the son of the escape organisation, "Comete", that helped him),but otherwise I think their consciences are clear !!Just thought you'd like to know, Manfred !

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Jul 09 - 09:01 PM

Roger - Despite your disparaging comment about 'RAF' types being present at Buck House , I DO note your Father was a Crabfat !

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 04:03 AM

"imagine his reaction to all these nice things that his father,etc,did not risk life and limb for !! But that's another story ! "

Ah, so you know that for a fact do you? Please elaborate - or is it just more verbal garbage from an inveterate and ignorant liar.What a total coward you are - making, yet again, unfounded allegations about people whose history you know nothing about. But that's typical of your blustering bombastic type who make up lies and spout them from a distance; all gob and no guts.

What bubblyrat seems incapable of understanding is that, by posting a topic on a discussion board he is inviting comment. If that comment does meet with his approval - tough. As he himself says, "if you can't stand the heat...."

What he also fails to understand is that there are many people, of all political persuasions, who regard the sort of junket he attended as a grotesque waste of tax-payers' money, especially when added to the obscene amounts of money that the degenerate, disfunctional , arrogant and unaccountable Windsor family is costing us – an amount that is increasing at a time when many people are suffering grave financial hardship. It is an amount that is far greater than the figure of 69p a head put out by the Windsor's vast PR machine.This is before we get onto the subject of the other obscenity of inherited privilege and its perpetuation of a discredited and unwanted social structure . As the Leader in the latest issue of New Statesman says: "There can be no constitutional renewal while a monarch sits on the thrones."

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Zen
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 07:17 AM

...more verbal garbage from an inveterate and ignorant liar

Oh... please leave this kind of personal attack off this forum please. It's one reason I rarely post here anymore after ten years membership.

As it happens I'm a staunch republican too but I wish Bubblyrat the best on a day he obviously enjoyed and valued although it would not have been something I would have gone to myself. Tolerance for other peoples' views is also a mark of a civilized society.

Zen

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: theleveller
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 07:49 AM

"Oh... please leave this kind of personal attack off this forum please. It's one reason I rarely post here anymore after ten years membership. "

Zen, if I am attacked by someone who makes up gross, defamatory and totally unfounded statements about me, my father and my grandfather, do you think I am going to sit back and let it go unchallenged? Please read what he has said in his previous posts, then decide who is launching personal attacks.

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Zen
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 08:04 AM

I can certainly see the provocation which certainly wasn't justified but wouldn't that be better dealt with by PM? This forum has been littered with personal attacks in recent times (I'm not referring to posts by you in this context) and is none the better for it... I've said the same elsewhere.

Respectfully,

Zen

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Dave Earl
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 08:04 AM

Leveller

I think what bubblyrat said was in fact refering to your phrase:-

"It was not for this that my father and grandfather fought in two world wars"

Was it Hyperbole?

"Hyperbole is overstatement or exaggerated language that distorts facts by making them much bigger than they are if looked at objectively."

I dunno - but lifes too short to get upset by such things.

Dave

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Leadfingers
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 09:20 AM

It is FAR too easy to mistake the meaning behind something on a screen , with NO Body language or Tone of voice to 'colour' the appreciation !
As Zen said , its a LOT more civilised to PM than to inflame a minor
disagreement into a slanging match !

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: Sailor Ron
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 09:38 AM

Leveller, so you are a republican, fine, you have every right to your view, but get your facts right. Whilst yhere are arguments both for and against a monarchy, as there are about a republic, don't bring 'money' into it. The crown estates that each monarch [since George IV] hands over to Parliament bring in an income that exceeds the Civil List several times over. In my view you belittle your argument for a republic by your personal attacks on the royal family. By all means make your point for an elected head of state, and though I totally disagree with you I would defend your right to hold, & speak them right to the end.

Subject: RE: bubblyrat @ Buckingham Palace
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 14 Jul 09 - 01:06 PM

"ducks,coots,moorhens and grebes"

Most people I know have never seen these birds, and certainly not in the heart of a metropolis. Extraordinary.

By the way, bubbly, I saw my first grebe at the age of 40 in Everglades National Park. An elderly lady came up to me and said, "Did you see the grebe? He's the cutest little fellow! Turn left at the second alligator, and you'll see him in the water."

Since then "turn left at the second alligator" has become a catchphrase in my family.