BS: Alternative health treatments

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST,Guest/Ebbie
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 07:31 PM

I'm interested in finding out something about alternative pain medicines. From having had surgery last month, I now know there are many kinds of narcotics my system won't handle.

Morphine made my head roar, made me vomit, made me feel like I was in tremendous pain- I wasn't. Then they gave me Vicodin and I literally couldn't sit up. Then they gave me something called something like Tuflux (that can't be it, though)and I spun around so badly it scared them- they told me to just lie down, just let myself go to sleep... Which I did and slept for almost 4 hours.

My surgery wouldn't have been a problem at all, if I had been able to tolerate narcotics. As it was, instead of going home on Wednesday noon, I wasn't able to leave the hospital until Thursday night.

I had informed the surgeon beforehand that 30 years ago, pain medicine had made me upchuck, so that after that all the doctor allowed me to have was plain Tylenol. But she still gave me all these narcotics. I'm bummed, frankly.

Does anyone know of a reliable alternative pain medicine??

Ebbie

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From:
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 08:07 PM

here is an article on leaky gut..I did a google search and there are 6,000 entries..

http://www.gfcherbs.com/leaky_gut.htm

Next question, is this related to the low-fat craze? Especially low saturated fat. I think Dr. Mary Enig has raised this question and I'll look around...ask yourself, what are your cell membranes made of??????

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From:
Date: 31 Mar 02 - 08:18 PM

here for Enig and leaky gut..

http://www.westonaprice.org/facts_about_fats/skinny.html

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 11:21 PM

50% of the population has diverticulius by age 50.

More water, fiber, exercise will prevent 50% of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: Amos
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 11:50 PM

From what little experience I have had, Ebbie, I would look first and foremost to calcium and magnesium, because they can counteract nervous r3eactions/tension, and B complex vitamins. I am sure there are some established herbal recommendations against pain, but i don't know what theu might be and would suggest contacting several experts and hearing what they have to say.

ANother approach used in some chiropractic offices is the use of TENS devices, small currents of electricity applied to over-stressed muscles that pull the strcuture out of whack. I have found it to be very useful for pulled muscles.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: 53
Date: 05 Apr 02 - 11:56 PM

Does a Chiropractor count?

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 01:32 AM

The ones I have met seemed quite competent at counting. For example they have to be able to count the number of vertebrae from the first one down to the site of a subluxation. They've all seemed quite good at it!

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: Bert
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 02:22 AM

Of course if Doctors weren't so effing stupid then there wouldn't BE altenative treatments. Anything that worked would be studied and documented impartially. But they are so insecure (Probably with good reason) that they refuse to consider anything that they didn't learn in school.

I think that the web will eventually cure these problems by making information universally available. One day Doctors may discover this and learn something.

Until then we have to live with their incompetance and search for solutions where we will.

I have been fortunate in being very healthy. But what few problems I've had have been dealt with very poorly by the medical profession. I had sciatica when I was in my early twenties and it took about six Doctors to get it wrong before it was finally diagnosed correctly. Never anywhere have I seen or heard of Doctors recommending that patients wth sciatica refrain from caffeine. But experience and plain old common sense told me that when my back was hurting the last thing I needed was something that put my nerves on edge.

And Mary, Re: losing weight, They (two doctors) put Lou on a diet because she was gaining weight. The weight gain was a growth due to Non Hodgkins Lymphoma. If they hadn't further weakened her with starvation when she was very sick she might have survived.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 09:28 AM

I know what you mean about mistakes. I once counted that I was seeing about 20 doctors. (It's not as bad as it sounds, there were moves, job changes, and of course at my age, the older doctors retired and I had to get new ones.) One of my pet peeves is the accessibility of good doctors. It seems that you almost have to have a friend or relative to pull strings to get you a timely appointment. One other pet peeve is the inaccuracy of lab tests that we as laypersons don't have access to. I suffered from low thyroid and consequent misdiagnoses for three years because of inaccurate lab tests.

I think there is a real need for another type of healthcare worker, a kind of physician's assistant who spends more time with a patient getting an accurate history and facilitating education. I've seen six neurologists and NOT ONE got a complete and accurate history! (I could have filled out a questionaire and done a better job.) I've seen nurse assistants to the heart surgeons who do patient couseling. The MS Society and drug companies conduct very good seminars. For awhile, my church had a parish nurse who conducted all kinds of education and training, especially for blood pressure. The new push in pharmacist training is for more patient education. So it is possible to get better care, I just don't know when the politicians and the public will demand it.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: catspaw49
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 10:24 AM

Mary, you are SOOO right!!! My friend Wayne is a Physician's Assistant (PA) who can't get a job!!! A few years ago it looked like the way to go and Wayne, a 25 year EMT/Paramedic went to college and got his degree......In the meantime, the interest on the part of Doctors and hospitals slowed down and many of the PA's are either working in some other lower paying capacity, working only parttime, or doing something else entirely! The jobs are getting harder and harder to come by. That's really a shame because they can offer so much to a Doctor. Makes you wonder what the Doc is really after doesn't it?

On that same medical history note, I get really frustrated everytime I go in the hospital because it seems that about 20 people come in and ask the same things!!! Doesn't anyone share the info???? It was also obvious that if they would listen to me, there would be a lot fewer problems. There seems to be a belief among some Docs and nurses that the patient doesn't know jackshit. My GP is simply the greatest because she does listen and treats me with respect, believing that I do know what I'm talking about.

When I was in for the damn Diverticulitis attack that went toxic, the surgeons were worried about the aneurysm and rightly so to some degree. But when I began to explain in detail that it was a dissection that had stabilized and giving them the details of all the tests I've had, including pressures, etc.......They looked at me as if I couldn't possibly know the stuff!!!!

I guess one needs a medical degree from somewhere legitimate instead of the one I am getting from "U-got-it University."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: Amos
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 10:45 AM

There have been a number of completely rigorous studies with statistics, repeatability and appropriate blindness covering various alternative therapeutic approaches. Lancet published one that supporting the positive results in cancer patients of guided imagery. The Journal I reference above routinely publishes papers of similar rigor.

But I am sure, given the huge amount of information they have to keep up with, that these are not known to most allopathic specialists.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: katlaughing
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 12:03 PM

I always figure I have to inform my doctor. He hasn't any time to keep up with anything outside the usual and he doesn't feel threatened if I do some research and come in and tell him how it is. There is so much available on the internet, now, there is no need for anyone with access to take any doctor's say-so without questions. A well-informed patient can protect themselves and educate the medical staff, too. Or, their ally can do it for them.

Bert, I am sorry to hear that happened to Lou when she was already so ill.

kat

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 06 Apr 02 - 02:07 PM

Our medical system has become too money oriantated. To find a Docter that cares about the individual is a rarity. Although they do exist, they are hard to find.
I believe that is partly why people are returning to root medicine, meaning back to what the earth has provided, in it's pure form of medicine.
Let's not forget where medicine comes from! Roots, barks, leaves,seeds,flowers. The first asprin (salicylic acid) was synthesized from the plant-Meadowsweet, later found in the bark of White Willow.
Rx for Meadowsweet-1-2 tsp. dried herb per cup of boiling water, Steep 10 min. In a tincture take 1/2 to 1 tsp. up to 3 times a day.
White Willow on the other hand contains more salicylates than meadowsweet making it a more potent natural healer.
Rx for White Willow- soak 1 tsp. of powdered bark, per cup of cold water for 8 hours. Strain. Drink up to 3 cups a day. Willow is a bitter so use honey and lemon.
A added note of caution as with any drug, pregnant women should not use these, and if any stomach upset occurs use less or discontinue use.
Another thing I would like to add about willow- break up a bunch of twigs and branches, slowly simmer in a huge pot for 8 hours and let steep for the evening, then bottle the water. What this is is a great natural growth hormone to start new plants from cuttings.
I am a believer in Eating Healthy, Drinking Pure Water, Garlic, Deep Breathing to alleviate stress ( A HUGE culprit in ill health) and Laughter! And believe in the powers of your own natural healing defenses!( People have a tendency of taking too many drugs and Doctors have a tendency for prescribing too many)
Rustic

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 02 - 01:23 PM

Copper Bracelets for arthritis IF you can stand the green on your wrists.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST,Clementis
Date: 08 Apr 02 - 06:48 AM

Baths. Mineral baths work real good. At home or at a spa. Drink some too.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Apr 02 - 12:13 AM

Anyone try the pyramids - under them or on your head? They are at the health fares.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 12:00 AM

In additions to pissing on your feet to cure foot fungus, there are some who prescribe it as drink for a multitude of ills.

Subject: RE: BS: Alternative health treatments
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 07:53 PM

Katlaughing is the only one who has tried acupuncture with any success?