Is this copyright infringement?

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 10:21 AM

I've got no fellow feelings with the BNP and if my music was on that site I would be miffed.
Despite my usual attitude that it is great that someone wanted to use my music,even if they didnt ask.
I asked the guy where I could get the C.D. and he said to buy it online later adding that he got his legitimatly through Amazon.
I happen to believe in listening to others point of view before forming an opinion.
Most of our kinds problems come about from marginalising and ignoring the views of others we do not share similar life experiences with.
Therefore maybe banning this or that,person or group from expressing their particular views would not be a good thing?
When they came for me there was no one left?

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 10:28 AM

Drednaught Mutiny
Excellent song and performance
Thank you DC

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: GUEST,Jonny Sunshine
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 10:29 AM

oops that was me just now

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 12:34 PM

Jack, I vaguely remember hearing of an actual Canadian Nazi Party and they did get quite nasty I believe.

To the point this thread, Youtube will pull video(s) if the musician or his/her representatives get in touch with them.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 01:04 PM

Of course there is no need to involve lawyers; that would be an expensive over-reaction. A polite request to the culprit is often quite sufficient, with a follow-up request to YouTube if that doesn't work. Lawyers are supposed to be a last resort, though I realise that isn't such a common attitude in the USA.

In this case 'Good Fight Lad' (presumably it was him) has responded politely and has said that he will remove the recordings when he is asked to, so there is no need to take matters any further so long as he keeps his word. We ought to give him the benefit of the doubt; many BNP supporters are decent but naïve people who genuinely aren't aware of the party's deeply unpleasant history or of the nature of the agenda they are being duped into by its leaders.

It may also be that he didn't realise that buying a copy of a CD doesn't give you the right to re-publish it; now that he does, I hope that he will also take down the recordings belonging to the other performers I mentioned earlier without waiting to be asked by the individuals concerned, who are probably too busy trying to make a living to patrol social networking sites for pirated recordings, with or without links to causes they might find repellent.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: JWB
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 01:05 PM

Good on you, Malcom T, for soliciting and sharing the input from GoodFightLad. The civil approach is much appreciated. I prefer to work things out rather than thrash them out. I'll be contacting him to do just that, with an eye to fostering enjoyment of traditional music, supporting the rights of intellectual property owners and upholding free speech.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: GEST
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 03:12 PM

I'm going to toss out something which does not answer the question of copyright infringement, but also does not quite agree with all that has been said previously. The mention of pirating, downloading, or outright stealing from or through YouTube is what generates this post.

YouTube videos can be embedded onto another site, yes. But from YouTube or an embedded YouTube video they cannot be pirated, stolen, or otherwise downloaded. The embedded video always stays directly at YouTube, in YouTube's control and on YouTube's servers. The videos are an ideal way to spread a song rapidly around the world without risking loss of financial gain. The greatly reduced cost for international advertising must certainly be worth a few thousand views by those who have never heard of a songwriter, band, or singer.

From what I have seen, many obscure or heretofore unknown artists would remain that way if it wasn't for "air-play" on YouTube. If an artist has a hit song (or songs), they will be a success with or without YouTube, but why think a presence on YouTube would hinder the artist's success or reduce sales?

Neither YouTube nor I promote copyright infringement. I am merely trying to keep YouTube's role in proper perspective.

GEST Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 03:47 PM

The civil approach always works best (at least the first time)

I am so happy that my dear friend MalcomT was able to act as mediary before you began to follow up on others suggestions in this thread to seek a solicitor/lawyer.

I must agree with GEST above, ...why think a presence on YouTube would hinder the artist's success or reduce sales?

This exposure can only help your sales...(why I beleive I might purchase a copy myself.)

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

It is interesting to view all four segments of the British video - and the photo "This is a British Bulldog - not a Brussle's Sprout" is quite clever. It never hurts to understand a different point of view.

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Now, Gargoyle, this post is almost civil. Sorry, but we had to delete several of your earlier posts because you weren't being very nice.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Howard Jones
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 04:01 PM

The issue is not whether exposure on You Tube or any other internet site is a good thing. It's about respect for other people's intellectual property. Just because you've bought a CD or legitimately downloaded a track does not give you the right, legal or moral, to publish it - that is the musician's choice.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: GUEST,Peace
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 04:19 PM

Could not agree more, Howard.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Feb 09 - 05:26 PM

Regarding stuff being put on YouTube, one could say "It's good exposure." True enough, but as Dave Van Ronk was heard to say, "People have been known to die of exposure!"

Please, mother, I'd rather do it myself!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 04:05 AM

GEST:
But from YouTube or an embedded YouTube video they cannot be pirated, stolen, or otherwise downloaded.

Just a quick comment: If you have RealPlayer Downloader (free) software on your computer, whenever you watch a YouTube (or any other)video using, say, FireFox, RealPlayer Downloader kicks in and opens up a window asking whether you want to download it.

So it is possible to download material from YouTube - which I do from time to time, but purely for self-interest. I do NOT redistribute them in any way.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 04:15 AM

I was just going to add that I am sure I have seen down load managers that claim to have the facility to download vids from U Tube.
Never tried one but maybe is worth bearing in mind.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 04:20 AM

Hi Tim - I've used RPD mainly for grabbing stock of old bluesmen such as Gary Davis, Bill Broonzy, John Hurt, etc. Very useful.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 07:03 AM

A neat, small, free program that will record everything that comes through your computer speakers is found at:

www.davee.com

Admittedly though - the quality of sound is poor (as ALL YouTube sound is) I can't imagine anyone who likes the music to NOT go out and BUY the CD quality recording of the music.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

I discovered the program through computer radio forums.

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: GEST
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 12:34 PM

Thanks, Will Fly ~ I stand corrected. :-)

GEST Songs of Newfoundland and Labrador

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Will Fly
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 01:15 PM

I only found out myself by accident! I was downloading RealPlayer and only discovered I'd also download the "Downloader" bit when I next looked at a YouTube video - it clicked into life... :-)

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 01:32 PM

Hi Jerry
I can imagine your surprise & shock, actually "shock & awe" come to mind. He does put the tag line at the end of his info that "if the artist wants I will take this down". Nice of him but he could've asked in the first place, no respect there, it was easy enough for him to find a copy to buy it would been just as easy to contact you.
I don't imagine that an airing like this will get you mcuh sales maybe some exposure, it would have been better if it were just short snips and then a review pehaps to Dirty Linen.
Good luck with whatever you do, kneecapping these days is not to costly
See ya soon

Barry

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 02:01 PM

""if the artist wants I will take this down"
It's that or some youtubers post the old "no copyright infringement intended"...ummmm ok!

Subject: RE: Is this copyright infringement?
From: TheSnail
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 02:31 PM

Jerry, I would urge you to get those tracks taken down. On his YouTube profile page, GoodFightLad uses one of your songs to support a political slogan "Stop the EU - Use your vote and spread the truth!". Not as contentious an issue as some of their policies and one you probably aren't very interested in but I doubt if you gave him permission to use your work in that way.

As well as trying to appropriate traditional British music for their own ends, the BNP also use other people's CDs to add legitimacy to their own efforts by mixing them together in the sales from their publishing arm.

Association with this bunch can only do you harm.