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BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

GUEST 24 Jan 16 - 01:48 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 01:48 PM

From Haaretz:

"A Palestinian teen suspected of stabbing Dafna Meir to death in the settlement of Otniel last week was moved to carry out the attack by incitement on Palestinian television, the Shin Bet said Sunday.

According to the Shin Bet, the 15-year-old, a resident of the village of Beit Amra in the south Hebron Hills, was exposed to televised content which presented Israel as "the killer of Palestinian youngsters."

On the day of the attack, influenced by these messages, the teen decided to kill an Israeli Jew, said the Shin Bet. "The severe consequences of the attack show once more the seriousness of the threat posed by the Palestinian media's wild incitement against the State of Israel and Jews., which influences lone-wolf attackers to commit murder and carry out serious terror attacks," said the Shin Bet."

Terrorism, Again (Israel)......indeed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 01:59 PM

1   Quotes from the Six Days war programme?
What quotes do you want?
2   Who disputes Benny Morris?
About what?
3   Response to Sabra/Shatila facts
Which facts?
4   How do you know the 2014 massacres weren't massacres if nobody else does?
No decent democratic government has made such an accusation.
Can anyone show that Israel broke international law?

5   Do you really believe that The united Nations and all the Human Rights Groups are not to be trusted .

Yes.

5(cont.)and the only ones to believe are politicians.
No, but no decent democratic government would ignore massacres and atrocities.

Are you ****** serious??? - a man who reads tomes of 1000 pages can only handle facts one at a time!!

The discussion becomes unmanageable trying to deal with several issues at once.

The facts were not put up for you - you are not interested in facts.

Yes I am, and will respond, but only one at a time please.
Or are you afraid of having them all knocked down one at a time?


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 02:55 PM

"What quotes do you want?"
Oh come ooooon Keith
Sorry Keith - you know ****** well what I am talking about -all the claims you have made about these subjects

" Do you really believe that The united Nations and all the Human Rights Groups are not to be trusted .
Thanks for that - goes to the top[ of the list.
"No, but no decent democratic government would ignore massacres and atrocities."
That#s what I said - politicians - what else are govvrnments made up of - rabbits???
"The discussion becomes unmanageable trying to deal with several issues at once."
Only to a moron Keith - you may have a point there
Pisss off Keith - you have the facts - choose them at your leisure.
"From Haaretz:"
You want to join in with this Bruce or just put up meaningless quotes and sprint away again - Keith could do with a bit of help here.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 03:09 PM

BREAKING: In the last hour, a Palestinian shot at an Israeli vehicle near Dolev in the West Bank. The bullet missed the driver by inches.

Additionally, rockets were fired from Gaza into Israel. One landed in southern Israel. No injuries reported.

Terrorism, Again (Israel)......indeed!


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 05:52 PM

"Terrorism, Again"
TREATMENT OF PALESTINIAN CHILDREN BY ISRAEL
I would say so - yes
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 06:05 PM

October 20115 - three months ago
sraeli forces have killed 65 Palestinians this month, including 14 children - Se
More Israeli terrorism
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 06:31 PM

Are these "unbiased" sources Jim .


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 06:53 PM

sraeli forces have killed 65 Palestinians this month, including 14 children

Of course he fails to mention that these terrorists were killed while in the act of killing or trying to kill Jews, a minor detail to him and others biased against Jews as the media has been doing in scores of misleading reports. This is one example, there are many, many more:

Two Israeli men were fatally stabbed in Jerusalem's Old City on Saturday evening. The Palestinian attacker was shot dead by security forces after he opened fire on them. The wife of one of the victims and their two-year-old baby were lightly wounded.

How did the BBC initially report on the attack?


Palestinian shot dead after Jerusalem attack kills two

Notice how the main focus of the headline is the death of the Palestinian perpetrator who is "shot dead," effectively turning the terrorist into the victim.

And what is a "Jerusalem attack?" Cities don't attack people. In this case, the BBC cannot bring itself to apportion responsibility to a Palestinian. Nor does it state that the actual victims of the attack were Israeli Jews.

Disturbing, yes. Surprising, no. The BBC has a history of publishing headlines where Palestinian terrorists are sanitized to the point that inanimate objects such as bulldozers are held responsible for killing Israelis.

While the headline was eventually changed, presumably as a result of outrage on social media, it is appalling that such an initial response could have been published at all.


Honest Reporting


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 07:55 PM

Greg F, you seem to have a delusional obsession with this person named Brucie lol.

It ain't me babe!


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 08:10 PM

Guest isn't The one with the delusional obsession.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 08:20 PM

It ain't me babe!

Very possibly - but if you ain't him, you're his clone!


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:08 AM

Jim, put your "facts" up one at a time unless you are afraid of seeing them knocked down one at a time.

You want to address the Six Day War, Sabra/Shatilla and Gaza conflicts in one post!
Each is worthy of a dedicated thread and each has had several already!!

"No, but no decent democratic government would ignore massacres and atrocities."
That#s what I said - politicians - what else are govvrnments made up of - rabbits???


They criticise settlements because that is a real issue.
They acknowledge no atrocities or massacres because there have been none.

Have the confidence in your claims to make one at a time.
What are you afraid of Jim?
Looking silly when each one is demolished?
Pathetic.

What is your biggest, strongest "fact"?
Put it up and let me respond if you you think it will stand.
Show some confidence in your case man.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:15 AM

Jim, your "more Israeli terrorism" link is about the "knife intifada."

Those killed had been trying and mostly succeeding to knife Jews.
Are Jews not allowed to defend themselves from random murder attacks?


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 03:33 AM

Raggytash - 23 Jan 16 - 05:53 PM

Anything else to contribute "


Damn sight more than you Raggy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:02 AM

"Jim, put your "facts" up one at a time unless you are afraid of seeing them knocked down one at a time."
You've had the facts - treat them as you like or don't - your choice - I've had what I want from you - anything further would be an icing on the cake, but I'm really not into sweet things too much.
Fact:
Israel has a history of massacres dating to the beginning - Benny Morris, leading Israeli historian lists 24 of them, others give more.
Yo claim he is disputed, but you refuse to tell us by whom, so we can only assume by you.
Massacres took place in the fifites, sixties seventies, 80s,,, in fact, up to the present day
Example)
"The Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, also known as the Ibrahimi Mosque massacre or Hebron massacre,[1] was a shooting massacre carried out by American-Israeli Baruch Goldstein, also a member of the far-right Israeli Kach movement. On February 25, 1994, Goldstein opened fire on a large number of Palestinian Muslims who had gathered to pray inside the Ibrahimi Mosque (also Mosque of Abraham), at the Cave of the Patriarchs in Hebron, West Bank. It took place on February 25, 1994, during the overlapping religious holidays of both Jewish Purim and Muslim Ramadan.[2][3] The attack left 29 people dead and 125 wounded.[4] Goldstein was only stopped after he was overpowered and beaten to death by survivors."
Wiki

Prisoners of war were shot py order of the officers during the Six Day War - you alone dispute thei, but refuse to point out why - though you claim to have seen the film

Sabra/Shatila facilitated by Israel - done and dusted
You refuse to defend your argument - the ones that have beren put up stand.

You claim Israel was not responsible for what happened in 2014 though no enquiry (other than the rigged one by Friends of Israel) has taken place and Israel is fighting to ascertain none takes place - you refuse to justify this.
We know how many people, including women and children - Isarel killed - we know how mnay hospitals, schools and public clinics and care homes were destroyed, we don;t know how many homes were destroyed because there were too many to count, certainly many thousands, we know that many of the homes, hospitals and other buildings were occupied (in one case, by order of the Israelis).... all this is common knowledge, yet Isreal refuses to stand trial and you continue to deny it.
Your overall claim is Israel did none of tehse things because they said so
You say the eye witnesses, human rights workers, medical workers, press, and other neutral observers' words are not to be trusted and instead, we should trust the fact that countries continue to do business with them (that lets Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, China, Russia, Syria...... and all the other human rights abusers and mass murderers off the hook).
As I said, I've got what I came for - you have shamelessly humiliated yourself again.
If you feel like answering any of these feel free - I realy do look forward to it.
Everything I claim has been backed by masses of evidence - all you have to offer is 'Israel says they didn't do it' and 'trust the politicians' - yheah, right!!
"Of course he fails to mention that these terrorists were killed while in the act of killing or trying to kill Jews"
No they were't, or if they were, nobody has ever claimed that they were Brucie
Show us your evidence otherwise stand with your friend as an appeasers of massacres and human rights abusers
Even Terrytoon has stayed away from this garbage - wisely
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:22 AM

Fact - according to "Jom the infallible":
"Israel has a history of massacres dating to the beginning - Benny Morris, leading Israeli historian lists 24 of them, others give more.
Yo claim he is disputed, but you refuse to tell us by whom, so we can only assume by you.
Massacres took place in the fifites, sixties seventies, 80s,,, in fact, up to the present day"


Ah yes Israel - fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties

Would that be the same Israel that the pan-Arabic nations swore to wipe out, to exterminate, to drive all the Jews into the sea (All those promises enshrined and carved in stone in the Hamas Charter)

How many times during the forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties ...... in fact, up to the present day have the Arabs chosen war over peace? How many times have they attacked Israel and deliberately targeted her civilian population as their first line of attack. Ever since it declared itself a sovereign and independent state Israel has been threatened - every nation has the right to defend itself from naked aggression and as far as Yasser Arafat's "Palestinians" are concerned that is all that Israel, Jordan and the Lebanon have done (Arafat's "Palestinians" have threatened the peace and stability of all three countries)

Your "Palestinians" have had over 67 years to sort things out and have failed miserably so next time "it kicks off" down there in the Gaza Strip I would strongly recommend that nobody steps in, that no-one intercedes - just let them get on with it and solve it by force of arms - The Arabs default position and their preferred way of doing things according to their own clearly documented track record.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:26 AM

Jim, you put the Palestinian case but object to anyone giving Israel's side of the story.

Gaza 2014.
Israel was subjected to indiscriminate attacks on its civilians from terrorists hiding among civilians. It was a victim of war crimes.
It had a right and duty to respond, and tried to do so without breaking international law. The civilian deaths were the result of Hamas' war crimes not Israel's.

Beirut 1982.
An Arab militia carried out a reprisal massacre in the Sabra/Shatilla camp.
Other massacres also occurred in those camps.
All were committed by Arabs not Israelis.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:34 AM

Is that your answer to all problems Terrichocolate. My Dad's bigger than your Dad. My Dad will kick your Dad's head in.

Juvenile to say the least.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:42 AM

"Would that be the same Israel that the pan-Arabic nations swore to wipe out, to exterminate, to drive all the Jews into the sea"
You've said this before Terrytoon and I asked when did two wrongs make a right - didn't get a reply then, don't expect one now
The history of Israel has been one of driving out the Arabs to create a monotheistic state, one of expansionism, ongoing settlement on disputed territory, blockades, ghettoisation, refugee camps and ongoing persecution, terror, massacres.... using heavy artillery, chemicals,anti-personnel missiles, helicopters - the latest equipment.... and finally, a concerted effort to create an apartheid state.... first named as such by people living in Israel.
A bit unrealistic to expect people who have occupied the area for well over a thousand years to sit on their bums and do nothing.
Do you want to challenge any of the facts I've put up or will you stick with "they've only got themselves to blame?
Yep - thought so.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:50 AM

Do you want to challenge any of the facts I've put up

Not facts Jim.
The state of Israel has a right to exist.
They have a right to defend themselves from attack.
That is all they are guilty of.

At least in your last post you acknowledge wrong on both sides.
I accept that too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 06:26 AM

Forgot to thank you for this
"Your "Palestinians" have had over 67 years to sort things out and have failed miserably so next time "it kicks off" down there in the Gaza Strip I would strongly recommend that nobody steps in, that no-one intercedes - just let them get on with it and solve it by force of arms - The Arabs default position and their preferred way of doing things according to their own clearly documented track record."
Poorly armed Arabs against a nuclear power equipped with drones, planes, tanks, heavy artillery... and all the armament their god can provide
Might is still right from our resident wannabe soldier - certainly politically - very right
Jim Carroll
See Kieth's still not waving but drowning


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 07:24 AM

GUEST,Raggytash - 25 Jan 16 - 05:34 AM

And where did I say anything like that Raggy? Oh, of course Raggy, this is just another case of putting your words in my mouth, no doubt this will be followed by some other baseless and unfounded allegation - your usual tactic.

It would appear Raggy that you actually KNOW S.F.A. about anything, going by your input to any discussion your only interest in this forum is to feed your compulsion to act as a TROLL.

Pointless waste of space that is what you are Raggy and a proven hypocrite to boot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 07:46 AM

"And where did I say anything like that Raggy?"
Your response has always been just that - "might is right" - on this and every similar subject
It's why I put up my last posting - let the poorly armed and equippen Arabs slog it out with a nuclear power - the "dad's" don't get any bigger than that
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:10 AM

Quote from you Terribums "just let them get on with it and solve it by force of arms"

That seems to be your answer to everything. Violence.

Many of us who use the brains we were endowed with know that violence is not the answer. Killing people is not a solution,never has been and never will be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:13 AM

"That seems to be your answer to everything. Violence"
Only if the scales are loaded in his facvour
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:43 AM

"Quote from you Terribums "just let them get on with it and solve it by force of arms"

That seems to be your answer to everything. Violence."


Ehmmm NO Raggy. I know you have trouble with English but the whole gist of my post was that since 1921 VIOLENCE has been the Arabs answer to everything. The track record shows that every time the Arabs of the region under discussion and their Arab neighbours have been given a choice between peace and war they have chosen war - so yes let them slog it out to the finish - it has always been their choice - nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Every time they have ganged up and tried to implement their little scheme to destroy Israel and annihilate the inhabitants of the state of Israel they have come off the worse for it. Every time they have sued for peace they have reneged on every promise they have agreed to. The so-called "leaders" have failed their people for nearly seven decades now, they have received more in international aid than was given to the whole of Europe in the aftermath of the Second World War - and what have they done with it??? S.F.A.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:45 AM

In considering my dads bigger than your dad arguments Terribums think of the following:

Palestine's GDP is approx 4 Billion.

America alone gave approx 3 billion of Military Aid to Israel in 2013.

That 3 billion represents about 20% of all US aid donations.

Equally, or not as the case actually is, Palestine receive no military aid from America.

So Palestine has approx 4 Billion per annum to run an entire country, schools, hospital, infrastructure etcetera etcetera and Israel get 3 Billion in military aid alone from America.

You do the math, it's not difficult.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:15 AM

""Would that be the same Israel that the pan-Arabic nations swore to wipe out, to exterminate, to drive all the Jews into the sea"
You've said this before Terrytoon and I asked when did two wrongs make a right - didn't get a reply then, don't expect one now"


A reply Jom!!! You want a reply??? You won't like it but here it is:

Everyone IF ATTACKED has the inalienable right to defend themselves.

- In 1921 the Arabs attacked the Jews and the Jews defended themselves
- In 1929 the Arabs attacked the Jews and the Jews defended themselves
- In 1936 the Arabs attacked the Jews and the Jews defended themselves
- In 1948 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1956 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1967 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1973 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1978 the PLO launched attacks on Israel from Lebanon the Israelis defended themselves
- 1987 the First Intifada the Palestinians attack the Israelis and Israel defends itself
- 2000 the Second Intifada

And so on and so on.

In Viking times even a slave was permitted to carry a knife as a means of protecting him/herself if attacked.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:22 AM

GUEST,Raggytash - 25 Jan 16 - 08:45 AM

Nice attempt at deflection Raggy, but seeing as you wish to portray yourself as being as thick as pigshit then I will ask you again:

"The Palestinians have been given more international aid than that received by the whole of Europe combined in the aftermath of the Second World War - what have they done with it?? - S.F.A. [Apart from making Yasser Arafat and other Palestinian "leaders" into multimillionaires - nice work if you can get it eh Raggy]


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:30 AM

The aid given the Palestine has been for building infrastructure, medical aid, budget support and the like. Not so the 3 billion that Israel was given in 2013 alone for MILITARY use.

MILITARY Terribums, not humanitarian. Surely even you can see the difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:39 AM

More uncorroborated halve truths - massacres, persecution and expansionism have been a way of life since the establishment of the State of Israel - it is somewhat unrealistic that there should not have been a backlash over that period
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:48 AM

This image may give you a clue as to why Israel receives US aid. The "greens" are, for the majority, sworn enemies of Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:58 AM

BTW, Muslim countries receive much more financial aid from the US than does Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 10:19 AM

What on earth does "This image " have to do with Israeli terrorism
Care to tell us how many of those countries benefit from a US veto keeping them out of the International War Crimes court?
No verification of accusation that those murdered by Israelis were all "terrorists"
Ah well, I can wait, but I am getting older daily
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM

So Israel is a theocracy after all, Guest?


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:02 AM

So Israel is a theocracy after all, Guest?

Is the US a theocracy?

I think you are confused as to the meaning of the term, remember Google is your friend.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:14 AM

"The aid given the Palestine has been for building infrastructure, medical aid, budget support and the like."

Then care to tell me Raggy why the vast bulk of it has been purloined by Palestinian "LEADERS" and spent on weapons, what concrete, cement and re-bar that has been bought and imported has gone to build tunnels for smuggling, tunnels through which attacks are mounted on Israeli citizens and to build shelters for senior Hamas "officials".


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:15 AM

So it ISN'T a "Jewish State", then.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:17 AM

Care to put any figures to your accusation Terribus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:27 AM

Don't encourage him Raggy, he lies anyway so of course he can put figures.

Meanwhile, Terribulus can slur all Arabs but point his crime out (incitement to hatred, with falsehoods) and the Donald Trump wannabes at Mudcat delete your post whilst keeping his sick crap.

Fucking magic..


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:42 AM

Arafat's Billions


Arafat diverting aid to his own accounts

From the above:
"Rather than use donor funds for their intended purposes, Arafat regularly diverted money to his own accounts. It is amazing that some U.S. officials still see the Palestinian Authority as a partner even after U.S. congressional records revealed authenticated PLO papers signed by Arafat in which he instructed his staff to divert donors' money to projects benefiting himself, his family, and his associates."

"Arafat's men flagrantly displayed corruption. Arriving penniless in Gaza and the West Bank from exile in Tunisia, many PLO members amassed wealth, built villas in Gaza, Ramallah, Amman, and other places, and sent their children to the best schools in the United Kingdom and the United States. Hisham Makki, former head of the Palestine Broadcasting Services, assassinated in January 2001, earned a monthly salary of $1,500 but became a millionaire within a few years. Immediately after his assassination, Arafat froze Makki's personal bank accounts, estimated at $17 million. Makki was alleged to have taken bribes and sold government-owned equipment. However, it was rumored that he had a dispute with another PA official over the sharing of profits gained on illegal business transactions. His assailants, believed to be members of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a shady group affiliated with Fatah, have never been caught."

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/no-honor-among-thieves-fatah-accuses.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:28 PM

Sorry Teribus, if you have to resort to JoshuaPundit to back up your argument you are REALLY scraping the barrel.

I have no illusions that many people in a position of power abuse that self same power.

The same would also apply to British, French, German, Greek, Italian, American or even Israeli politicians.

Sadly that is, for the most part, human nature.

I know it is not right but Arafat and the rest are merely following a pattern that has been laid down for centuries.


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:29 PM

"Rather than use donor funds for their intended purposes, Arafat regularly diverted money to his own accounts"
Your link leads to an untraceable blog from "Joshuapundit.com"
The only other place on which this claim is made is "Target of Opportunity " - an extremist American site whose mission statement is:
"This website is devoted to fighting Terrorism and the forced integration of Marxist oriented ideals and values into the American mainstream. By exposing the violent actions and the violent speech (and it is very violent, just keep reading) of these so-called "Non-Violent"and "Peaceful" groups, the truth is revealed for all to see. Their brand of Radical Marxist Liberalism poses a serious threat to the American public. They are among us and this website exposes them for who they are and what they are based on THEIR actions and THEIR agendas."
An openly Fascist site.
You did better when you weren't linking your quotes.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:41 PM

So it ISN'T a "Jewish State", then.

Are Jews a Nation or a Religion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:34 PM

Are Jews a Nation or a Religion?

So Isral IS a theocracy, then?


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:36 PM

So Isral IS a theocracy, then?

Emm....no!


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:42 PM

A few years ago Israel launched a propaganda campaign to get Palestinian aid stopped UNITED WITH ISRAEL
This is not to say there isn't corruption in Palestine as there is anywhere ISRAEL AMONG THE MOST CORRUPT
BRITAIN IS NOT MUCH BETTER but that is no reason why aid should not be given.
Israel (with its record of corruption) is specifically targeting the Palestinian people, after having virtually destroyed Gaza with acts of terror and massacres - near genocide and ethnic cleansing
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:47 PM

ISRAELI THEOCRACY
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 03:12 PM

Right, so just because one person holds to a certain opinion then it must be accepted as a reality. There are some who maintain that the UK is becoming an Islamic country - does that make it so?


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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:00 PM

WATCH: Israeli man fights off Palestinian stabbers with a supermarket cart.

Children and women were in the store, so 'I knew I had to stop the terrorists,' says Mordechai Shalem. 'I saw their knives raised, and the hatred in their eyes'

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the two women who were badly injured in the stabbing attack tonight. We applaud Mr. Shalem for his quick thinking and bravery!

Terrorism, Again (Israel).......indeed!


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