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Heckling at Folk Clubs
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Jeri Date: 23 Oct 18 - 07:43 PM I vote for desisting from peurile bickering. Somehow discussions end up being about the people in the thread instead of the subject. Please stop it. If you have to leave for a while, leave for a while. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: FreddyHeadey Date: 24 Oct 18 - 04:47 AM What does the artist do when hecklers start heckling each other and stopping the rest of the audience from |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: FreddyHeadey Date: 24 Oct 18 - 04:49 AM ;) |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,guitaress Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:40 AM I began performing in folk clubs in around 1965. The fight between "contemporary" and "traditional" was on from the start! Never took much notice of it myself. Much of the alleged "traditional" songs were were recently penned anyway. Including Ewan McColl songs! Anyway moving on to the subject in hand and "Heckling" Heckling is an art form. It can be fun and it can be a nightmare it depends on whether it is amusing, controlled, not obtrusive and not offensive. The Heckler needs to know just when to shut the fuck up. Generally they do not. Billy hated hecklers. I know I toured with the guy. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Oct 18 - 11:30 AM "Including Ewan McColl songs! " MacColl always said his songs weren't traditional - or even 'folk' - none of the clubs he was involved in ever described themselves as such The scene collapsed when it was possible to spend a night at a folk club without hearing a folk song and the term became meaningless Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 24 Oct 18 - 12:04 PM Check back & you'll see I deliberately tried to keep Mr Carroll out of this- I didn't bring up the EM/BD discussion- I pointedly avoided giving the opportunity, as I knew it was just what the pillock has been waiting for, to go over this now legendary event for the 40th time! in fact am sick to the teeth of it- I even suggested on 22 October that we 'get back to the thread. It's an interesting subject but count me out now- I hope I've had some interesting things to say..... |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Jim Carroll Date: 24 Oct 18 - 12:20 PM "Check back & you'll see I deliberately tried to keep Mr Carroll out of this- " The Only reason Bob Davenport came up is that his behaviour offers an excellent example of the subject of this thread - when I produced it I was met with personal abuse - end of story We've been asked to desist from this Jim - I suggest you heed that request Neither of us have any authority to keep anybody out of discussions on this forum Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST Date: 24 Oct 18 - 03:19 PM Mr Carroll, One mans bickering and another mans making a point are two different things. You are correct not to expect an apology. I was just making a point. Roger |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Tattie Bogle Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:35 PM PUERILE: form the Latin Puer - young person. I'm outa here, another thread gone AWOL. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Tattie Bogle Date: 24 Oct 18 - 06:35 PM FROM! |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,Some bloke Date: 25 Oct 18 - 04:12 AM It might be a good time to mention that once, when having a floor spot before MacColl and Seeger came on, I sang two traditional songs, one American (Cecil Sharp reckoned it was American anyway) and a song from the other end of the country. MacColl started their set by pointing out that amateurs would do well to stick to indigenous songs from their communities. Then sang a Scottish song in a cod accent. Heckling would have been superfluous. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Oct 18 - 04:46 AM "amateurs " MacColl never distinguished between "amateurs" and professionals - there were few of the latter in the revival - that was its strength To sing songs in your own accent was the advice MacColl gave to all singers, amature or professional - it's always made sense to me Singing songs in a "cod" accent" is, as far as I am concerned, taking the piss, both out of the songs and the people the singer is sending up Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:34 AM "To sing songs in your own accent was the advice MacColl gave to all singers, amature or professional - it's always made sense to me" Agreed, and it's good advice, but MacColl should have done it in private, not from the stage, which is bound to be humiliating for any singer - [ if that's what happened, and I have no reason to doubt it]. Could the discussion return to it's original subject now please ? |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Jim Carroll Date: 25 Oct 18 - 05:37 AM "Could the discussion return to it's original subject now please ?" I agree entirely - hopefully without the heckling Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,jim bainbridge Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:14 AM Jim, you will be amazed that I totally agree with you- have repeatedly said this thread should get back to its purpose. It's an interesting subject- sometimes heckling is offensive, but my experience of it was never that- the Elliotts of Birtley were masters of pointed heckling which was great fun. I do not want to get into ANOTHER argument about what is essentially a subjective view, so if you want carry it on, please do it without me |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Shug Hanlan Date: 25 Oct 18 - 10:28 AM Or..as Connolly himself might have said, "Will you c***'s shut the f*** up and let me get on wae it?" |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST Date: 25 Oct 18 - 01:01 PM Saw Billy Connolly, a master of putting down hecklers, in Dublin when he first broke there. Times were, as they say, somewhat tense, and on that first visit some IRA supporting twat yelled out: 'IRA!' or something similarly asinine. Connolly paused briefly and you could see he wasn't quite sure how to proceed, then obviously thought: fuck it and retorted: 'Keep talking pal, the bouncers will find you quicker.' Which brought the house down and from that point he could do no wrong for an audience who were already enamoured of him. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,Some bloke Date: 25 Oct 18 - 03:18 PM Jim. I related what he said. Don’t reinforce your odd take on the subject by saying something didn’t happen when you weren’t there. The subject is heckling in folk clubs. I gave a first hand account of being heckled from the stage in regard to my own performance. An example of the subject in hand and it isn’t good to then read your nonsense. For everyone else, MacColl has been a musical hero of mine since playing my much older brother’s “The World of Ewan MacColl and Peggy Seeger, Songs from the Radio Ballads Vol 2” when I was approx ten years old. To this day, I reckon I’m word perfect in recalling the words of every song. Obviously I was crushed to then as a 22 year old singer to have my hero be so ignorant. He’s still a hero as the twentieth century sage, just (as many attest) he wasn’t a very nice person. Earlier, I’d interviewed him for a syndicated hospital radio folk show I used to present (87 hospitals broadcast it) and Peggy kept intervening to save the interview then. I assume he was having a bad day, but as ever, don’t meet your heros. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST Date: 26 Oct 18 - 09:41 AM If you don't mind a bit of thread drift away from folk clubs, then this is my favourite heckling story as told by Roy Castle to Joby Blanchard who told it to me:- Back in the latter days of Variety Theatre tours, a line-up of variety acts would do week-long tours in each of prominent provincial theatres. The most dreaded one was the Glasgow Empire where the savage wit of the hecklers was notorious. The word passed round that if you really put everything into it on the Monday and Tuesday then you might get through the rest of the week. Roy was top of the bill and on the Monday was anxiously waiting in the wings to see how the support acts were being received - not good! All the droll Glaswegians seemed to be there that night and the majority of laughs and applause seemed to come from audience interjections rather from what was happening on the stage. Roy thought he would deal with it by going through his routines at 100 miles an hour leaving no space for the hecklers and that's what he did. A quickfire set of gags, straight into a song - a tap dance routine - another song - some more quick gags (it was going well) - a trumpet solo with some humour built into it then as he gasped for breath after playing the trumpet. a loud voice came from the back of the theatre - Hi Roy! Is there nae end tae yir talent! |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 26 Oct 18 - 09:45 AM Above GUEST was Vic Smith posting from a different machine, |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Shug Hanlan Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:00 PM Since we're in The Glasgow Empire might as well recount the famed audience response to Bernie Winters following his brother Mike onstage. "Christ, there's two of them." |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,kenny Date: 26 Oct 18 - 12:58 PM I also have heard both of those heckling stories above, but I think Vic, - no doubt out of decency - omitted one word, very commonly used in Glasgow, before "talent". :) |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: Vic Smith Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:10 PM The Glasgow Empire - where no turn is left unstoned. |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST Date: 26 Oct 18 - 03:28 PM One of the great responders to heckling was Tony Capstick. I well remember a night at Poynton folk club. (If anyone can't remember, it used to have regular audiences of about 300 people). A smartarse bawled out 'ere Capstick, can yer open yer gob any wider'. Without a pause for breath, Tony replied 'open yours a bit wider mate, and I'll park me van in it.' Pure artistry. Roger |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: John MacKenzie Date: 29 Jan 20 - 01:54 PM Re the thump a heckler incident Dick mentioned in passing. I was present on two occasions when bodily contact was made, at two different folk clubs, on neither occasion was anybody actually struck, but there was a whiff of more than fear in the air, from the person on the receiving end of the threat. The first was in The Student Prince, in it's second home in Wardour Street, and it was Martin Windsor threatening some chap with defenestration, and the second was in Les Cousins at an all nighter, when a person who would not shut up, was threatened with a bashing from the old (heavy) milk churn lid, that sat on the edges of the stage, and did duty as an ashtray. The annoyed person on that occasion, was Redd Sullivan, so they really were a double act ;) |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: The Sandman Date: 29 Jan 20 - 03:47 PM yes they were amusing redd used to do this cockney skit about no hasmpsteads in the north and south |
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Subject: RE: Heckling at Folk Clubs From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge Date: 30 Jan 20 - 07:01 AM I `ad one of them academics from Durham Uni. in my cab the other day. `e knew all about us bands down in "The Smoke" and the South East. `e was writing `is thesis about audience behaviour in theatres and clubs and the "psyche" that lies be`ind it. (`ark at `im!) `e said, `ere Jim, you and your band `ave been at it for some considerable time. What`s your experience of audiences?" I said, "I can only remember one occasion when a club we were doing in Sussex was taken over that night by a rugby team that `ad just won it`s division. They were a most un-ruly mob, `igh on "`arvey`s Best Bitter". The agent faxed me to see `ow we got on." `e said, "That was thoughtful of `im." I said,"I told `im. I replied "Audience with us all the way. We shook `em off at the station!!"" Whaddam I Like?? |
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