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Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance
In Mudcat MIDIs:
Sand Dance [Wilson Kepple and Betty] (full version)
Sand Dance
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Subject: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Folkbloke Date: 06 Mar 00 - 06:35 PM I am in desperate need of the music to this old music hall piece. I am putting a show together and have the volunteer dancers but no music. Has anyone here either got a cassette recording of it or the shheet music. Even just the melody line would be great. I don't even know the title. if also anyone knows the original choreography that would be fantastic. Please some-one help. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Micca Date: 06 Mar 00 - 06:41 PM Hi Folkbloke, I suspect at least in part they used" The old bazaar in Cairo" I seem to remember it cropping up in a film with them doing it and in a repro of there act done on TV, if it wasn't I'm sure it would be "in keeping" with the original feel and spirit, if not the actuality, and therefore an acceptable alternative. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Liz the Squeak Date: 06 Mar 00 - 08:38 PM It was indeed the 'Old Bazaar in Cairo', although 'The Sheik of Araby' is an acceptable alternative, but don't ask me for the music, I can't work the midi dodah thingy yet... LTS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: alison Date: 07 Mar 00 - 07:50 AM the MIDI is at Mudcat MIDIs there was another snippet of tune that Morecambe and Wise always used when they did the sand dance.. I'll try to do a MIDI of what I remember of it... will let you know when it's posted.... meanwhile check out "Old bazarr in Cairo" at the link slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: alison Date: 07 Mar 00 - 08:08 AM OK I've done it.... check out sand dance at Mudcat MIDIs. this is how I remember it from Morecambe and Wise..... not sure what the original was or what it is called.... slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Penny S. Date: 07 Mar 00 - 11:55 AM I heard a snatch of this on the radio the other week, with references to the composer who wrote such things as "In a monastery garden" and whose name has gone away for the moment. Penny |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 07 Mar 00 - 02:22 PM Penny, your mention of "In a Monastery Garden" stirred something at the back of this old brain. Wasn't it by the same composer but "In a Persian Market" that they used to dance to? Where's Steve Parkes and AndyG when we need them?[please note my restraint in not using my old WK&B joke last aired a couple of weeks ago!] RtS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Folkbloke Date: 07 Mar 00 - 03:08 PM Mudcat friends strike again. Absolutely brilliant. Thanks all. If you happen to know any publisher details it would be appreciated. In the meantime May blessings be upon your camels, their wives and all you little baby camels. Regards, Adrian, a.k.a. Sheik Mustapha Coffee Break. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: alison Date: 07 Mar 00 - 07:18 PM I have the music for "In a Monastery Garden" somewhere... and they definately didn't use it.. it is a slow thing I used to play during the offering in church. slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST Date: 07 Mar 00 - 08:23 PM Katelbi ? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Penny S. Date: 08 Mar 00 - 05:48 PM Alison, I know it wasn't the monastery, but he wrote a range of "exotic" pieces. And guest, Katelbi sounds right, but doesn't look right. But it's a long time since I saw those 78's of my Dad's. Penny |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: BanjoRay Date: 08 Mar 00 - 06:14 PM Ketelby wrote "In a Persian Market". For some reason Acker Bilk used to call this "In a Persian Carpet" when he introduced it with his Paramount Jazz Band in the sixties. Ray |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: alison Date: 08 Mar 00 - 07:14 PM did you listen to the sand dance I put on Mudcat MIDIs? did it sound anything like the one you're thinking of? slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Steve Parkes Date: 09 Mar 00 - 03:40 AM O ye of little faith, Roger! Some of us have to work, you know - we can't all spend every waking hour at the 'Cat! I can confirm that it's not 'In a Prsian market' or 'Monastery garden'. I have actually performed W&K's sand dance, complete with short shift, tea-towel and army boots, along with a mere child of 16 years, who was pressed into service and didn't have a clue what it was all about. Ah, we made our own amusement when I was a lad ... There was a modest tv series on BBC a few years ago called 'Turns' ('Acts', perhaps in American?), comprising ancient film of music hall and variety turns who've long since gone to the great Palladium in the Sky. It was presented by Jimmy Croft, or Jimmy Perry (a tv comedy writing team of note - I can never remeber which is which). I videoed the second series. WK&B were on one night, and we copied the music (don't tell the Music Police!!). Anyway, it was a poor soundtrack, an indifferent video and an abyssmal tape, but the dancing was fun. I can't promise to get a midi of the tune - I'm only at home at weekends - but I'll see what I can do. Don't hold your breath, though. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: alison Date: 09 Mar 00 - 04:12 AM if you can do the notes..... send it on over... or play it to me over hearme sometime and I'll do it from this end. slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 10 Mar 00 - 05:45 AM My music librarian colleague confirms that what I hummed to him was Katelbi's "In a Persian Market". I have another friend looking for a book on UK Music Hall acts he owns to see if it mentioned whether this was what they danced to. Watch this space... RtS |
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Subject: Tune Add: SAND DANCE (from Wilson & Keppel) From: Steve Parkes Date: 13 Mar 00 - 08:01 AM OK, try this for size ... I couldn't get find my video, but this is what I can remember - you can make up the left-hand part, decoration and such like, similar to "The old bazaar in Cairo" midi on the midis page, and expand the few bars I've got. It could go a long way (and the longer the better!) Steve MIDI file: SANDDNCE.mid Timebase: 192 Name: SAND DANCE, as danced by Wilson & Keppel This program is worth the effort of learning it. To download the March 10 MIDItext 98 software and get instructions on how to use it click here ABC format: X:1
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: alison Date: 14 Mar 00 - 02:39 AM Hi Steve I have added your one to Mudcat MIDIs.... the first half of your tune is the same as the one I posted the other day. Mine is "sand dance", yours is "sand dance full version". I don't know what instrument you intended it to play on... but it wouldn't play for me(just whooshing noises).. so I fixed it..... to save converting MIDI to text.. you can email the MIDIs direct to alan or myself... addresses at the Mudcat MIDIs site... and we'll post them with a link. slainte alison |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Liz the Squeak Date: 14 Mar 00 - 07:07 PM How do you do a midi of a bucket of sand then? That was the other important ingredient - nothing makes that sound better than an army boot and a bucket of sand... LTS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Steve Parkes Date: 15 Mar 00 - 03:14 AM That was the whosshing noise, Liz! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Micca at work Date: 15 Mar 00 - 07:11 AM I am fairly sure the version of the dance I saw had the tune given in the midi section as the A tune, the old bazaar in cairo as the B tune and was done A1 A2 B A B A, it seems about right, the sand scattering was done to the A tune 1then the dance started with A 2 et seq. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Penny S. Date: 28 Mar 00 - 11:19 AM I have now been able to consult my Dad's collection of 78's, and listen to "In a persian market" by Ketelbey. This has several passages of varying mood, but the opening section is the passage to be found at those links above. The more legato development is not used. Penny |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 29 Mar 00 - 02:49 AM You mean I was actually right??!!! RtS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Penny S. Date: 30 Mar 00 - 04:55 PM Yup Penny |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 14 Jun 00 - 11:11 AM More information on this famour trio can be found here: http://www.liverpool.com/decades/pre60s/wilson.html Click Here RtS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: AndyG Date: 14 Jun 00 - 12:12 PM Roger, You're a saaaad man!
Thanks for the link :)
AndyG |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler Date: 15 Jun 00 - 05:44 AM I plead guilty as charged, Andy, & ask for scores of similar offences to be taken into consideration and apply for the application of the sanity clause [insert Groucho joke #2 here!]. I came across the link while looking for something else (honest!). RtS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: AndyG Date: 15 Jun 00 - 05:55 AM erm... I do believe it's actually Chico's line.
Sadder than Sad eh?
AndyG |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Frank Jones Date: 01 May 04 - 07:28 PM Apparently none of those; try: 'Egyptian Ballet' by Luigini http://www.peopleplayuk.org.uk/collections/object.php?object_id=1472&back=%2Fguided_tours%2Fdance_tour%2Fpopular_theatre%2Fmusic_hall.php%3F |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 May 04 - 01:20 PM Kettelby the composer was nowhere as exotic as his name as usually pronounced would suggest. Apparently he was called Kettleby, a good northern name, but he thought it common, so changed the spelling slightly, and therefore the pronounciation. So Hyacinth Bucket wasn't the first. Who was it used to say Mr and Mrs Siddibotoom, when he meant Sidebottom? John |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,chris nixon Date: 02 May 04 - 04:37 PM re Sand Dance... 1. Not the Old Bazaar in Cairo - that was written by Clinton Ford and others which was probably too late for WK&B 2. Persian Market Place is one I remember from variety shows, but try also The Snake Charmer of Old Baghdad (I kid you not...) We used it in similar circumstances many years ago. Hope this helps KYBTTS |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Compton Date: 03 May 04 - 05:06 AM The music to "In a Persion Market" is on a wonderful recording by "The Palm Court Theatre Orchestra"!! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Roger the Skiffler Date: 03 May 04 - 06:04 AM • From Grandpappy , Hazel Slade on 02/11/03 15:26 If it's any help, the music they used was a piece entitled 'In a Persian Market' by Edward Ketèlby. I have a piano duet version by Rawicz & Landauer which I bought fairly recently, so it is probably still obtainable. Cut and pasted froma reply to a request elsewher on the web. RtS (still a saddo!) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Esther A Date: 10 May 04 - 11:16 AM I love reading thru this dialogue from folk as fanatical as me !!! Does anyone know if there is a video available featuring Wilson Keppel and Betty's performance ?? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: BanjoRay Date: 10 May 04 - 12:05 PM There was a superb little clip of WK & B on the last edition of Have I Got News For You. There's obviously film of them in the BBC archives. Ray |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 10 May 04 - 01:26 PM Rice pud! Very good! What's it all about? Made it in the kettle And we couldn't get it out. Everybody took a turn To suck it through the spout In the Old Bazaar in Cairo! |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 10 May 04 - 04:01 PM Continuation of the thread creep? Having seen Clinton "performing" "The Old Bazaar...." on the City of Varieties Stage, the written word does not always convey the underlying humour and the poking fun at ladies in the audience by Clinton that went on during the song. Keny B |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,annaalbury@aol.com Date: 12 May 04 - 04:35 PM Does anyone know where I can get a video of Wilson Kepple and Betty doing the sand dance??? |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 14 May 04 - 05:05 PM Video - as requested :<) |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Noel Date: 15 May 04 - 08:03 PM |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: The Walrus Date: 15 May 04 - 08:13 PM I vaguely recall seeing a parody of WK&B's 'Sand Dance' done at a 'Sod's Opera', done by two bods in naval uniform and one 'dragged up' as a wren - they performed as "Nelson, Keppel & Beaty" (The act was pretty dire and best forgotten). Walrus |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,Noel Date: 15 May 04 - 08:23 PM For Pete's sake why is everyone so lacking in musical knowledge nowadays - NO! it b****y-well ISN'T Ketelby's Putrid Persian Market, nor even his Morbid Monastery Garden. The W.K. & B. sand-dance music is the first movement of a four-movement concert piece by a little-known nineteenth-century French composer called Alexandre Clement Leon Joseph Luigini, born in Lyons in March 1850, died in Paris, July 1906. The piece is called "Ballet Egyptien" and was very popular with concert audiences right up to the late 1940s. I have three recordings of it, two them on 78s (four 12" sides) and one on a 45rpm EP dating from the early 1960s. You could have a look on eBay, where a recording of it is bound to come up for auction eventually. Any further help, e-mail me: onionleaf@btinternet.com. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,haha Date: 17 May 04 - 03:20 PM hahahahahaha |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,eddie@fryston42a.fsnet.co.uk Date: 30 Jun 04 - 03:25 PM Re Wilson Keppel & Betty, Having seen this act at least three or four times in the 1940s at the Empire Theatre Leeds. I can confirm that the music used was part of Albert Ketelby's "In a Persian Market". By all accounts there were numerous "Betty's" used during the time the Sand Dance was performed over the years. Oh happy days, Ed. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Billy Weeks Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:13 PM But I'm sure Guest Noel, despite his bad tempered intro, is right. Maybe you could do a bit of this hilarious dance to the soppy 'Persian Market' but you need a more lively number to sustain all that continuous crazy shuffling. When I last saw them (1950s) it was certainly 'Ballet Egyptien'. And yes, there were several Bettys. I think she was there mainly to contrast with the knobbly-kneed, cadaverous W & K. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,DaverB Date: 02 Jul 04 - 08:23 AM If anyone wants the dots to Ballet Egyptien, In A Persian Market or even In A Monastry Garden, try asking your local brass band. These pieces were staple diet for concerts and fetes, and I would expect most bands of reasonable age to have these tucked away in their library. We certainly seemed to play them ad nauseam in the '60s, but great fun |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST Date: 02 Jul 04 - 08:48 AM Old Bazaar in Cairo opens: When the moon shines bright take the first on the right Give the sing-sing sign as you go There'll be silk and lace in the market place In the Old Bazaar in Cairo. Harum Scarum what d'you think of that Dirty strip-tease dancing on the mat Oompah oompah that's enough of that In the Old Bazaar in Cairo. |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST Date: 06 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM I need a cd of wison, kepple and betty music and hopefully a video or dvd of them in action as we are doing their routine for our local am dram show in september can anyone help neil spruce-phone 07736258696 |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: Compton Date: 07 Jul 04 - 07:49 PM Guest...get the video!! see into this thread |
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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Wilson Keppel & Betty Sand dance From: GUEST,brian@rowe4929.freeserve.co.uk Date: 12 Oct 04 - 05:33 PM There is a video entitled "Jokes That Won The War" that contains two acts by W K&B available from, NOSTALGIA DIRECT PO BOX 1XX, NEWCASTLE UPON TYNE, NE99 1XX Priced at £14-99 + P&P. Hope this is of some help. |
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