Where the heck is our blues people

Subject: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:20 AM

come on post some of your music ... dang it ... there are lots of people here on the cat ...

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Max
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:28 AM

Hell yeah.

I'm just crazy about the band Hazmat Modine lately. I'm critical of Chicago Blues and how little it has changed in 60 years, and Hazmat is the cool drink of water I've been craving. Check em out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dEgWy7kbew

I'm also pretty keen on The Black Keys.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:29 AM

OK here goes, me and the lads(and lasses) doing Corinna Corinna at the Glastonbury Festival

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:30 AM

Hi Max, tricky making links work on Mudcat isn't it?

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: gnu
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:34 AM

OD... put "blues" in the filter and select all. Over 800 threads. After you read em all could you give us a short recap?

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: gnu
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:35 AM

Hehehehee... Max must be too busy.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Vic Smith
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:42 AM

Blues? Eddie Armer and Nigel Bagge - tonight - Royal Oak Lewes - see http://www.lewesfolkfest.org/LFFprogramme.php

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:46 AM

Dey is all had to pawn dey instruments an' dey is beggin' on de street! Please be kind and send $20 NOW!!! to Help-a-Bluesman, 220 Updock Street, Sudbury, Ontario, Canada. I be takin' care of de rest an' will redistribute de funds where de is most needed.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 11:46 AM

cooooool ... keep em coming

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Max
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:07 PM

Very funny guys. But I can do this:

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:15 PM

How about a little Johnny Lee Hooker,
hobo blues

but I want some more catters ... Ya Bobster that means you ... and Amos

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:23 PM

I sure everyone saw this one but our DW (the real deal) Ditty doing
Come back baby

come back baby

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:24 PM

Here's a brand new blues song. I knocked this one off in the time it takes to type it. ;-D You can even do it in your sleep.

Longlost Lover Woman

Well, I woke up dis moanin'...and I couln't he'p but cry!
Yes, I woke up dis moanin'...and I couldn't he'p but cry!
Wheah's my longlost lover woman?
Wheah's she gone, and why?

(throw in buncha harmonica riffs...then repeat...)

I'm a long and lonesome daddy. I need some sugar for my tea.
I'm a long and lonesome daddy. I need some sugar for my tea.
Wheah's my longlost lover woman?
Why she do dis way by me?

(more harmonica riffs)

Oh, I'm goin' down to Jackson, got my ticket in my hand.
Yes, I'm goin down to Jackson, got my ticket in my hand.
And if I cain't find that longlost lover woman...
Gonna find me a new one, yes I am!

(big wrap-up on harmonica and guitar)

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:28 PM

Cool, now recorder LH ... I like it ... cool

One I am working on

"Got no worries, got no cares, I got no trouble mind ..
The blues don't mean a thing to me... I stay stoned out ... all the time"   

LOL

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:31 PM

Roger Sutcliffe is very good. You can hear him here on myspace:

Roger Sutcliffe myspace

or see him here on youtube:

Roger Sutcliffe on youtube

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:35 PM

You know, Dan, I just cranked out Longlost Lover Woman for a laugh a few minutes ago...but I think I'll play it at the next song circle, pretend I found it somewhere, and see what happens. Should be fun. ;-D

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:39 PM

No kidding you got the making of a good song you do LH ... please do it.
eanjay ... you bet he is great, I still have his CD and play it often thank you ...

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:43 PM

Well here is my St. James Infirmary that everyone heard and isn't even close to being done in the blues style ... Ya hear Bobster ... where are you ... I want real stuff not the stuff I do ... cause I got no blues skills ... so come on there guy post !! Sidewalk BOB

St. James Infirmary

Greg, I like it ... more please !!

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:44 PM

So pleased you like it Dan, see him playing sometimes when I go up to Whitby. He's great live.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: GUEST, Azizi
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:46 PM

This thread isn't about the very few if any People of Color who regularly post on Mudcat. Yet it's a fact that Blues music was started by African Americans. And there are still a number of African Americans who are interested in performing, hearing, and/or writing about Blues music. Some of this population might even find this thread by way of Google or via other Internet search engines.

However, in my opinion, the use of so-called African American dialectical English such as that in Little Hawk's 08 Oct 10 - 11:46 AM post and and perhaps also Old Dude's thread title is one way of discouraging African Americans from posting on this forum. The use of such languaging even if it's well meaning, as I believe its use is in this thread/thread title might also turn off Black people and other people from perusing other Mudcat threads.

Maybe that's not a concern for Mudcatters. But, as a former very active member of this forum, it's something that I'm still concerned about.

I'll take gnu's word that there are over 800 archived Mudcat threads on the Blues. In addition to those threads, there are many more interesting and informative Mudcat threads about music and about other subjects that might be of interest to individuals-including Black individuals, and other individuals of Color. It would be a shame if the casual, comic use of so-called Black American dialect turned people away from perusing Mudcat resources.

My suggestion to people who might be turned off by this use of dialect is to still check out information & commentary found in numerous Mudcat music threads by using this forum's search engine and/or by entering key words plus "Mudcat" into Google search engine.

Some of the language used in certain threads may be a real turn off, but sometimes the thread's content is still worthwhile.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: GUEST,hoopiejohn fan
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:50 PM

check out hoopietohn on utube

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Vic Smith
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:53 PM

Max wrote:-
"Very funny guys. But I can do this:"

But we can't! Come on, Max give us all the coding for putting photos and videos on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:54 PM

Azizi if at anytime I offended you ... you know from my heart that it was not on purpose. I love the blues music ... when I ask the question it is a style of music .. I believe the music transcends all race , creed or color. When i was visiting Ireland I listened to the Irish lads doing blues music ...

Dialog, Azizi, if you grew up in the mountains were I did, you would hear a melting pot of speech ... my ain't and don't got none .. is the way I speak ... It comes from a whole bunch on influences culturally. that is the truth.   

However, My deepest and sincere apologies if somehow my thread offends for that was certainly as far from my thinking as one can get. I think you know me well enough to know my heart as everyone here does.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:56 PM

Now Max: my dear old mother told me boasting was very naughty indeed. And nobody loves a clever dick.
Nice clip though.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 12:57 PM

I was also trying to get our catters who perform the blues to post their music so we can all listen to it ... Amos has some, Bob performs regularly, so do many other people here. I can get all the Johnny lee Hooker performances on youtube i want but I like to hear catters play ... However perhaps a mud elf should simply delete the entire thread ...

with regret and apologies

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Ernest
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:01 PM

Max is right: Hazmat Modine are great - check them out, its a real good live show!

And I like the made-up photos of all their "historical line ups" in their cd booklet- very funny!

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:07 PM

"where the heck is our blues people"
How the hell does that imply race, color creed or religion? someone has got to educate me as I am lost here. One only needs to appreciate the music to play the blues and hone the skills it takes ... it is owned by noone anymore than Irish folk is owned by Irish

I am lost or am I that far gone? Perhaps I am ...

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:10 PM

You don't need educating Dan, there is absolutely nothing offensive about anything you have posted. I'm enjoying this thread.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:16 PM

Thank you eanjay, I guess that is the great thing about growing up poor cause ya see our neighbors, black, white , Asian ... well they were our neighbors we were all the same, all the same ... i don't see cultures ... I look at life through people and do my best to help everyone. I don't see anything but people, if that offends then I apologize but I will not change that view of life. I call everyone friend and I mean it. I show it I don't say it .. if someone does something to me then I walk away but I could care less of their background .. me I see people, I see music ..

If one wants to be offended I guess they can be every moment of every day in their life there is something that will offend everyone no matter who they are ... me I choose life and love ... that is what works for me.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:19 PM

Azizi

thank you my friend, I get it now ... thank you for the PM

Dan

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:29 PM

Well I guess we play the blues.

Snakhead Run myspace: www.myspace.com/dennyandmarkblues

My you tube page:
www.youtube.com/gutbucketeer
Check out the playlists

BTW Max - Hazmat Modine is awesome. Love the tuba.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:32 PM

Dan, as I indicated in my prvious comment, I don't think that your title, or Little Hawk's use of dialect in his first comment (and in his newly composed Blues song which I read after posting my comment) was for ill will. While I'm aware that that dialect may be used (or at least is/was said to be used) by non-Black people in the USA it is generally considered to exemplify an old form of African American dialectic English.

I'm aware of the numerous interesting and informative Mudcat archives, and I'd like other people-including other People of Color- to be aware of the rich informational resources found in many Mudcat Blues threads, and in many other Mudcat threads. My previous comment was directed more to people who might casually come across this Blues thread and might be turned off by the dialectic languaging than it was directed to those Mudcatters who will read this thread.

I have chosen to post on Mudcat as a guest only sporadically, if at all again. But I still wish you and other Mudcatters well.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 01:36 PM

Caucasian people sometimes make grammatical mistakes.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:07 PM

Nice one gut !!

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:41 PM

No, no ill will intended at all, Azizi. If one listens to a lot of those old blues recordings from the 20's on, one hears the sort of patois that was used at the time by those singers, and I was simply evoking that type of thing. As you may know, I also enjoy doing posts sometime in Scottish-English dialect for the same reason. Languages, accents, and local forms of dialect have always fascinated me. I have an affection for all these different forms of speech, because it is part of our shared cultural heritage.

Another one that you'll see people using a lot here, of course, is the rural White or western or hillbilly kind of lingo, such as:

"Ah figgered yew were gonna show up, Black Bart...and Ah shore do hope yew reemembered to load them shootin' irons o' yourn...cos if'n yew didn't, Ah'm a-gonna be oh-bliged to jest shoot yew down in cold blood, lahk a dirty dog."

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 02:42 PM

Ummm...sorry...that last word should have been "dawg"! ;-)

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 03:15 PM

By the way, I took a lot of teasing in college for some of my speech , when you grow up on the Appalachian line "you guys talk funny" got that a lot ... I make no apologies for my speech as it is my back ground and I am very proud of it ... I do apologize if people misunderstand and think I am trying to be something I am not ... One only has to listen to my song "gonna see my baby tonight" that is how I say it .. imitating no one but myself. I wrote it the way I say it ... But I understand people can get confused. Hell I am confused a lot
gonna see my baby tonight
This song I tried to do something in the blues pattern although it came out as always more folk. Bobster has taught me some real blues pickin that I have to practice more

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:25 PM

I went through a course once in which people came from all over the US. One guy from Georgia, and said he often felt people made fun ofthe way he talked: the drawl, the "ain't"s, and other odd dialect attributes. He said, basically, that he KNEW how other folks talked and could talk like that if he wanted, but his speech was his heritage, and he wasn't ashamed of it. Personally, I really enjoyed listening to him talk.

I don't like fake-sounding dialect, I'm not going to use it, but I'm not going to make myself look stupid by pretending to know what other people's heritage is if I don't know THEM. I'll find other ways to look stupid.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:33 PM

Some of my favorites from back home. My buddie from West Virgina says he went campin in the Holler. But in my mountains we went campin in the hollow but we used holler to yell down the hill. Dems guys or uens guys from the Pittsburgh influence, the "aint got none" or windows is Winddas ...

We also use coal terms like clinkers and a host of railroad terms ... gosh I miss it

going to is always gonna LOL but this is thread creep ..

More blues please

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:35 PM

Well, there are a tremendous variety of other ways to choose from, aren't there, Jeri? ;-)

I personally believe that I've lived hundreds of incarnations by now, if not thousands...I have been male in some and female in others....and I have probably been born into every race and most of the cultures that have ever existed on this planet. Therefore, I feel pretty comfortable invoking any idiom that my spirit moves me to...and I also feel a strong kinship with many cultures and things that I presently am not a direct part of.

We are all of one Spirit. That is my belief. Separations exist only in the divided egoic mind that imagines (most unfortunately) that it is irrevocably alone.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:39 PM

LH
Amen my brother, now where is your music, Heck I posted Amos so get you can out there .. you are awesome. And how about some blues

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: gnu
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:39 PM

LH... "I have been male in some and female in others..."

Soooo, if you could time travel too you could go fuck yourself?

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 04:58 PM

Howdee...

Hey, ain't like I'm slackin', ol'ster...

Ya' see... Yeah, I play the blues... I learned it from an African American, then took 3 pilgrimages into Mississippi and learned more from more African Americans and another 7 'er 8 years as a regular at Archie Edwards Barbershop and learned even more...

I got what I got down purdy okay... Least I can do what I want to do and I ain't tryin' to be black tho I gotta lotta African American influences in my speech patterns but also have alittle hillbilly, a little redneck and a little or this 'n that...

BTW, I really am kinda jammed as I'm scurryin' around trying to pack to leave for NC, via Richmond for the Richmond Folk Festival tomorrow, in the early mornin' plus...

...gotta a monster gig tonight in Luray that I just packed up fir when I'll not only be opening for Clarence "The Bluesman" Turner but gonna open with his band backin' me... I played with these guys off and on going back long time an' it's always like a reunion fir us to get together and let 'er rip!!!

Maybe Gutbucketeer look thru some of his stuff and find some Sidewalk Bob with Gutbucketeer and stick it up here, I donno...

The Blues thread I started went to 300 posts and got lotta good stuff on it... I mean, lotta good stuff...

Plus, ain't many real blues folks here...

Now I gotta get movin'... Bi night fir Sidewalk Bob!!!

B~

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:09 PM

Yer slacking there bobster ... but I forgive ya. video cam that performance if ya can ok

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:10 PM

gnu - I realize you're just joshing...but... If I could time travel, I would go and tell my other selves: "I love you very much. Thank you for taking part of the Earth Walk for me, and thanks for what you have learned on our mutual behalf."

I have a fairly good idea about a few of my previous lives, but most of them are completely shrouded in mystery, and that's probably a good thing. After all, I need to focus clearly on this one while I'm here living it, and that's enough to deal with all by itself.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:14 PM

I bought three Reggie Miles CDs in the mudcat auction and they are good.

I like the songThese Old Shoes but my favourite isHandsful O' Blues

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Will Fly
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:14 PM

Well, I don't know about living other lives, but one of the pleasures of life is playing music with other people.

So here's my buddy Ian Gardner singing and playing Diddy Wah Diddy with some added noodling from yours truly...

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:18 PM

Well, I've been doing what I said I'd do on Bobert's thread here:

Bobert's Blues Thread

and doing a lot of listening!

I've got to like Eric Bibb:

Eric Bibb

And Bob Brozman:

Bob Brozman

And I've been amazed at some of the stuff Sister rosetta Tharpe was doing on the guitar way back when:

Rosetta Tharpe, wet railway station, Manchester England, 1964

And this one's just a bit quirky :-) :

Sixteen year old English kid with diddley bow


Azizi, if you're still here, I'm interested that you always use the phrase "people of color" in your posts. I know fashions in "allowable" use of language change, but all the people I know in the UK who are of African or Afro-Caribbean descent refer to themselves as "black" and would feel a bit insulted if someone referred to them as "coloured" or "of colour". Those phrases were in fashion here a couple of decades ago but at some point were deemed to "sound patronising" so the description reverted to "black". Have things come "full circle" again? Is it now normal (again??) in the USA to refer to people of African descent as "of color", and should we therefor expect the phrase to replace "black" in the UK (again) soon?

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:19 PM

Oh yes eanjay ...thank you ... great stuff

and Will, you know I am the biggest fan of you guys and that is great as always.

Subject: RE: Where the heck is our blues people
From: olddude
Date: 08 Oct 10 - 05:20 PM

Thanks Rob, gotta have a listen