New Folk Club in Blackheath

Subject: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:13 AM

At last we have found a good pub to establish a folk club! Real ale, friendly regulars, chav-free, spacious performing area and music loving landlord! Blackheath Folk Club please come along and support this venture. The first night will be Tuesday 8th April 2008 and hopefully every Tuesday after that!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: the button
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:31 AM

Chav-free, eh? I'd come along, but I'm afraid my paternal grandmother was a gypsy. Sorry.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 07:15 AM

What's that got to do with it? You are obviously out of touch with modern slang "Chav" although originating in romany is nowadays a term that generally describes the lager swilling herberts that walk around in hoodies and baseball caps causing trouble and mayhem. This pub is one of the few in the area that does not attract them.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: NormanD
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:36 AM

Chav-free, eh? That means no working-class then. I used to live in Blackheath and then very gladly moved to downtown Catford. My local boozer, The Blythe Hill Tavern, has a good Irish session night every Thursday (chavs in one bar, Irish playing chavs in the other).

Good luck with the club!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: the button
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:46 AM

I would have thought that braying middle-class dickheads in rugby shirts with the collars turned up would have been more of a problem in Blackheath, to be honest.

(Lewisham resident & proud).

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 08:58 AM

Proud of what?

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:15 AM

Lewisham has a lot to be proud of!

Best wishes,

Peter

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,Essex Girl
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 09:26 AM

The British Oak is not really Blackheath is it Mick. Will this be run as a folk club or just as a session? Sounds interesting anyway.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:24 AM

Nothing wrong with working class. My father started as an apprentice in electrical signalling with GEC, and my maternal grandfather was a carpenter (no, not that carpenter, I'm not that old). Plenty wrong with what are universally referred to as "chavs" these days. I live not far from Chatham, so I do have plenty of chance to see the specie in its natural habitat.

I'm no expert on traveller culture, but where I might once have expected to hear the greeting or salutation "chavvy", derived from the Romany, I think it is now more common to hear "Bruv" to indicate a degree of consanguinity.

Also, actually, nothing wrong with being properly spoken.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:51 AM

The accepted etymology for "chav" is that it derives from the Romani word "chavi", meaning a child.........

the sad part is, I had to plough through so much so-called "uptodate" slang definitions of chav to find this...another piece of someone else's culture co-opted.

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: matt milton
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 11:53 AM

i've always felt uncomfortable with the chav word too. just seems like more unnecessary put-downs of people without much money.

but best o luck with the club. always good to hear of more good music happening in sarf landan.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Mick Woods
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 12:12 PM

The only problem we've had "button" has not been from the imaginary hordes of middle classes, but the uninformed snide comments from you, before our club has even started!

By the way I am a non-rugby playing Irish citizen, a postman and I live in a council flat! Does that make me acceptable?

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 12:25 PM

Nice to see a music venue opening, rather than hearing of music venues closing(far too many of those)Good luck all round, have one (or even several *LOL* for me, and who knows one day I might make it to your club :-)

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: melodeonboy
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 01:12 PM

Sorry to keep the thread off topic, but the lingistic issue is of some interest.

I'm certainly not of or from Chatham, but I did go to secondary school there. In the sixties and seventies, the use of "chavvy" for man/lad and "malt" (phonetically "mawt") for girl was widespread. I stopped using them when I went to university as nobody there understood them. As far as I remember, the word "chavvy" was fairly neutral. The negative connotation of the word, and the shortening to "chav", appears to have arisen, relatively recently, due to the less than desirable behaviour of certain groups of yobboes who wish to be known as chavs!

And, more importantly, well done for finding the venue, Woodsie!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,John Hills
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 01:21 PM

As someone who was raised in Charlton(not Charlton Heights or West Charlton, what nonsense) as well as Charing Heath as a child it is my hope that the club prospers and the good works of those running it make it a successful enterprise. Regarding the title it really should be New Folk Club In Charlton. To suggest it is in
Blackheath does give a misleading impression.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 01:43 PM

For the opening night it looks like we need

"Old man Mick's a postman
He wears a postman's hat
The 60s were his decade
And he lives in a council flat"..

Pray continue, good catters...

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's music hall Apprentice
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 01:54 PM

'Pray continue, good catters...'

I say, I say, I say...my dustbin's full of toadstools...how do you know it's full?.....there's not mushroom inside!!!

Charlotte (forgets how the line about looking a proper 'nana goes ;-))

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 02:07 PM

charlton? se3 is blackheath! Not far from the border but still blackheath.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice)
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 02:38 PM

The British Oak
109 Old Dover Road
Blackheath
London
SE3 8SU

this seems to be the consensus on the web, so.......

Charlotte (enquiries made)

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,John Hills
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 03:18 PM

Yes, I agree. It is in Blackheath. What confused me was page 2 of location quoting Charlton.
All is clear.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 03:22 PM

John, it appears that the Old Dover Road crosses over a couple of areas..

Charlotte(map reading R Us)

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: growler
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 04:30 PM

Hi Woodsie, despite Melodionboy spouting Bollocks, We would welcome an extended floor spot

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 04:48 PM

Bad anatomy. Bollocks ain't eh bit that spouts.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:24 PM

And it seems Blackheath still has a Morris side

Possibly a bit more respectable than they used to be? (Not to mention the legendary cakes! Byron RIP)

Kitty

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice
Date: 19 Mar 08 - 05:44 PM

"yobboes who wish to be known as chavs!"

I do prefer yobbo..it does describe that sort perfectly

Charlotte (the view from Ma and Pa's piano stool)

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,twmsion
Date: 23 Mar 08 - 06:31 AM

The British Oak is easy to find. Just travel due south from Charlton Slopes into the Rectory Fields conservation area. Simple!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 02 Apr 08 - 01:40 PM

Opening night delayed until 15th April due to organisers commitments.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Gwenzilla
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 01:40 AM

Alas, I won't be able to make Tuesday nights. Best of luck with the club.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 06:21 AM

Hiya Gwen I haven't seen you for ages.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Girl Friday
Date: 03 Apr 08 - 08:12 AM

Hello Woodsie

With any luck, see you Tuesday.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 04 Apr 08 - 02:20 AM

That's 15th April not 8th as previously advertised!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Girl Friday
Date: 08 Apr 08 - 02:14 PM

Good thing we checked . It's 7.15 and we were about to leave. See you next week perchance, with Ben.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 10 Apr 08 - 08:29 PM

OK all you folkies in Sarf London let's be having yer on Tuesday 15th to support this new venture, in what could turn out another great regular club.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,Chinaman
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 08:53 AM

Do they use chopstix?

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 06:00 PM

I was born in Blackheath,went to primary school there, Baisdon road John Ball,lived next door to the Three Tuns,as a child.
whileyour pub is technically Blackheath,its not Blackheath Village.
how about a gig then,havent had a gig in Blackheath since the Tito Gobbi,[DaveBryant]ran a club in Blackheath Village.http://www.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 06:19 PM

Dave Bt
ryant was my mate.

What's all the hangup about location? We have never claimed to be Blackheath Village or anything else, we just happen to be in Blackheath. If we had have been in Charlton we would have called it Charlton folk Club! Anywaty capt Birdseye, as I have said, the more that turn up on the opening night, the more chance we will have of booking acts on a regular basis! So please turn up and support!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 13 Apr 08 - 06:21 PM

Whoops sorry Dave a typo... Dave Bryant - Legend!!!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Folk Bloke
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 06:50 AM

I will definitly be there!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 07:55 AM

I live in Ireland so that is difficult and also expensive.please feel free to visit my website,where youcan hear me singing
best of luck with the clubhttp://www.dickmiles.com

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 14 Apr 08 - 07:57 AM

I want to know if Mick wears gorblimey trousers or Jaysusandbegorrah trousers... :D

I hate the word Chav, both because of its etymology and because it seems like another stick with which to beat the working classes. Yes, there are yobs and louts in every town, but when kids at public schools are having Chav Parties, it's not really very nice. This was a good article:

Bottom of the class

In any case, the term Chav seems to be a bit passe now, which is a good thing IMHO.


Good luck with the new folk club - that's the second one I've heard avbout this week, the first being in East Dulwich. Well done to all those flying the flag.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Patart
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 08:08 AM

We're far enough away to not cause confusion but the Blackheath Folk has celebrated its 15th birthday this year at Blackheath on the Blue Mountains west of Sydney, Australia. We meet on the first Thursday of the month, with floor spots [a few poets perhaps] and a featured performer. If you're ever in our area please come along.   
Patrick

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,jojofolkagogo
Date: 15 Apr 08 - 01:56 PM

Got your e-mail about this new club, Woodsie,

All the best of luck with it,
it's just a little too far for me to go, what with the price of petral these days . . .

Still might get there one day

All the best
Jo-Jo

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,Essex Girl
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 08:18 AM

Excellent night. Well done Lynne. A large audience and some very good singers and musicians - some Tudor Barn regulars but a lot of new (to us) talent. Great selection of real ale and friendly staff. A session well worth a visit.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 11:51 AM

What a great turnout! Well done everybody who played and sang and thanks to all that came along to listen - there's more next week!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,theresa findlay
Date: 16 Apr 08 - 07:32 PM

Thanks to everyone who turned up for our new folk club. Me, Woodsie and Lynne could not have wished for a better start and hopefully the beginning of a long love affair with The British Oak. Thanks also to Pete the landlord for letting us use his pub. See you all next Tuesday at 7.30. Cheers.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 07:53 AM

I hope I can make it nest week. I hear Dave Kenningham was there.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 11:56 AM

When is nest week? I know it must be sometime in spring!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 01:12 PM

I take it Blackheath is in London innit.

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: GUEST,woodsie
Date: 17 Apr 08 - 02:36 PM

'Tis - t'other one is in Oz!

Subject: RE: New Folk Club in Blackheath
From: Mick Woods
Date: 18 Apr 08 - 04:59 AM

Follow the LINK for more info Please turn up early if you want a floorspot!