BS: UK General election December 12 2019

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 11:27 AM

Democracy is in decline if we're not vigilant.
Quite right. The lefties have never been able to accept that leave won the referendum. They have been getting up to all sorts of mischief to thwart the majority. How many thousands of squeals have we been subjected to on this forum alone?

But - Chin up!hopefully the polls are correct and Boris can continue the Magnum Opus with a spiffing majority. Having the numbers is far better than relying simply on the dark arts and alchemy. Just look how magic grandad is getting on with his dodgy Russian dossiers

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 12:59 PM

Royal mail lost my mum's postal vote application form,
and the replacement didn't arrive until the day after the deadline date...

Applying instead for a proxy vote was too impractical
for our family health and mobility circumstances..

Oh well, one Labour vote will never stop the tories getting back in power,
in our South West constituencies...

But you can bet the tories will drag their unwell elderly relatives out of their death beds to vote...

I also suspect a tory voting fiddle,
where OAP care home managers take reponsibility for the postal votes
of all their residents...???

Ther are a lot of these care homes in Scrumpyshire...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 01:44 PM

I also suspect a tory voting fiddle,
where OAP care home managers take reponsibility for the postal votes
of all their residents...???

So have you reported your suspicions to the electoral commission, or are you simply making pathetic excuses for a likely labour drubbing?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:05 PM

already happening in our constituency with ex-bnp, ex-ukip now tory candidate mark jenkinson under investigation

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:06 PM

who will be in the dance off this week?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:10 PM

Evidence Iains.. evidence...

My opinions and suspicions may be absolutely correct,
but without facts I have no case to make to any official bodies..

Hopefully though, others with the same suspicions do have vital evidence and can make an official complaint...

However, lack of evidence never stops tories making up false allegations in the media
about Corbyn and Labour intentions...!!!

But of course, you already know this and gleefully exploit the lies you are tasked to propagate..

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 02:54 PM

i can't see much glee pfr - seems to me like someone plugging away at their grim , pedantic work of seeing the worst of anything positive and devoid of any hope, wit or joy.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 03:49 PM

Bozzer's now bottled it in Bolton. Security concerns is now the serial liar's doublespeak for shit scared.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 04:03 PM

Security concerns is now the serial liar's doublespeak for shit scared.
Conservative parliamentary candidate for Bolton West & Atherton Chris Green said: "Some activists working for Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour party are trying to hammer down the door to the market, this is absolutely repugnant behaviour."

That is lefties for you. Nowt but a rabble!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:18 PM

Of course we can trust every word that comes from the GAP and his rabble of wreckers

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 05:30 PM

GAP??

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Stanron
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 06:04 PM

GAP = Greatly Approved Prime Minister.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 09:02 PM

If you approve of that shambolic, unprepared, disreputable lying charlatan, I (a) feel sorry for you, (b) suggest that you stop reading the Daily Mail.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Dec 19 - 09:11 PM

That would be an ecumenical matter....

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 02:24 AM

Greased Albino Piglet. Do keep up :-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 03:49 AM

When they have nothing left but insults and intimidation you know they fear their cause is lost!
If the polls are correct within a week we will have a brave new world and the lefties can all crawl back under their stones.

But if I call Compo a racist and anti-semite I can provide reams of evidence.
The final report from the Equality and Human Rights Commission should provide a stunning indictment of magic grandad and his party.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/12/07/powerful-case-jeremy-corbyn-could-anti-semitic-says-former-senior/
It has come to a pretty pass when a senior judge comes out with the above before there is even a hint of a trial.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 03:59 AM

Sorry Dave, shoulda known that one! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 04:15 AM

No probs, John. Always worth reminding people that the appellation was created by his own peers rather than his enemies as well. I suppose it could be deemed a term of endearment if it wasn't applied to someone who really does think he can get away with lying through his teeth every time he opens his mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:08 AM

I was recently discussing one of the many Johnson promises, and the failings of the media to challenge him. There is a lot of amusement in the press that this 50,000 more nurses includes 18,000 who are already employed. That is a fair point. But no-one raises the fact that currently there are 43,000 unfilled nursing positions. So his grand plan, if it completely fulfils its objectives, aims to leave us still some 11,000 nurses short.

And that is without building a single new hospital, which will presumably require some nurses.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:13 AM

The failure to challenge his incessant lies by BBC interviewers and chairs of debates is utterly shameful. Every lie should be challenged every time before he's allowed to move on. If this is not happening it's setting a terrible precedent for out future political discourse.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:34 AM

The catastrophe that is Labour?:


https://www.costofcorbyn.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgtGEx-ul5gIVx7HtCh2fWwBVEAAYASAAEgIfq_D_BwE

Marriage tax
Stealth tax on drivers
Higher INheritance tax
STEALTH TAX ON HEATING
Small Business tax
Pension Tax

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 05:43 AM

Absolutely Iains, these lefty bullies don't have a clue!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:05 AM

Are bullies anything like Bullingdon boys Bonzo? You know, the ones who burn tenners in front of homeless people or stick their dicks in pigs mouths? Or are they more like the ones who force disabled people to work at inappropriate jobs or starve to death? Or maybe the uncaring, unfeeling government that turns a blind eye to food banks and rampant poverty?

I'll take my chance with the "lefties" who care more about poor people than the rich and powerful anyday. If taking money off the best paid to give to the poorest is being a "lefty bully", then count me in!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:39 AM

"The catastrophe that is Labour?:
Source of information
ALAN MABUTT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 06:48 AM

Nothing new there, Jim. The right wing press have been dressing up Tory propaganda as news for years!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:16 AM

Oh Dear! Back to the Ad hominem attacks again.

Andrew Marr asked the Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell: “You were here a little over a month ago and you were saying your manifesto, unlike many of the others, would be fully-costed. Sadly, that is not true. Is it?

“You announced that you were going to give £58billion to WASPI women. Where is that money coming from?”

More of labour in the dreamtime....... with the result of putting the economy in a nightmare.
There is a weary sense of déjà vu here. One thing Labour can always be relied on for is the destruction of the economy.
A bit of a sorry legacy! I assume anyone that votes labour has undergone a frontal lobotomy, or have totally lost the power of reason.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:34 AM

I wonder if Bozzer is going to pay for the 40 imaginary hospitals with the £350 million pounds a week he promised to save? I guess we will never know as he has not got the guts to stand up to the kind of questioning that the BBC reserve for Labour politicians. Why anyone would vote for a man with no integrity, no courage and no redeeming features is beyond me. I suppose he is the pinnacle of their aspirations.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:37 AM

It would be interesting to knowhow many of us would vote for our side, whoever they had put up.

It feels sort of tribal. i don't see any opinions being changed.

Apparently a lot of tory voters are going to vote Lib Dem in the south, because of Brexit.

And a lot of Labour voters just aren't going to vote in the North because of Corbyn.

Its hard deserting your tribe. tory voters can't bring themselves to vote Labour and Labour voters can't bring themselves to vote Boris/Tory.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:51 AM

The crucial thing is to do whatever it takes to try to keep the Tories out. I will do what I always do and vote tactically for the LibDems.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: DMcG
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 07:58 AM

It would be interesting to knowhow many of us would vote for our side, whoever they had put up.

I think I covered that earlier, so far is it relates to me. I try to vote for people who I judge to work best for their community which is why in the past I have voted for people who are not 'of my tribe.' But in this case the matter is so important I don't feel I can do that.

So what tribe are you referring to? Labour/Tory or Leave/Remain? In the second case I cannot imagine a Leaver they could suggest I would want to vote for, because I see Leave itself being so harmful. So if Labour put an adamant Leaver up in my ward against a Dominic Grieve, there would be no question: I would vote for Grieve.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:15 AM

I couldn't vote for Grieve. Whatever his stance on Brexit, he's a Tory, and the Tories are the party of self-interest and the rich. If I can't actually help to get a Labour candidate elected, which I can't here, I'll do the next best thing and help to keep the Tories out. Yes I know that's tribal and that he's not a Tory any more, but he's a Tory through and through and he's said the usual terrible tabloid things about Corbyn.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:27 AM

We have a dreadful party-line-toeing Tory MP - astonishing for a small town with inner-city problems, big drug-problem with the attendant crime issues, high unemployment, no buses worth talking about, acute shortage of doctors (4 weeks wait to see a doctor), etc. But this has been a ‘safe’ Tory seat for the past hundred years.

So I voted for the party that almost always comes closest to unseating the Tory. Probably a vain hope, but who knows...?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:34 AM

We are the same, John :-(

The Observer gives some good advice on who to vote for today. Anyone but Johnson! Sadly we cannot make much difference in our constituencies but we can register our disgust at the serial liar by reducing the majorities as much as we can.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 08:45 AM

There are many good people in both Labour and Tory parties, the low grad e leaders are certainly not representative of those!!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 09:53 AM

well, the tories seem to have purged their party of the more sane elements and the one nation lot. i wonder if there are many tories who won't vote for the extremists who remain. at least we know now what a conservative voter is about - and prepared to tolerate

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:06 AM

i wonder if there are many tories who won't vote for the extremists who remain.

I wonder if there are many labourites will not vote for the anti-semitic labour party?

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:50 AM

No Jews - no antisemitism - unless Israel has managed to get that written officially into an accepted definition
Wonder when The ories will get round to carrying out a quater an efficient enquiry into their ISLAMOPHOBIA PROBLEM or does this sort of thing only count when the victims can be used as political footballs
BEG PARDON - THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:58 AM

Labour is undergoing an official incestigation, the snow white Tories are not!

Your pathetic attempts at whataboutism are not being listened to.
That speaks volumes to rational people!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: peteglasgow
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 10:59 AM

windrush.

but actually, mine was a serious question - there has been a major realignment in tory policies in recent years and many of the leaders have left or are unhappy. many mps and other people professed mistrust/dislike of johnson. i wonder how many voters are similarly disaffected.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:09 AM

"Your pathetic attempts at whataboutism are not being listened to."
And never will be wile Corbyn poses a theat to the status quo
Theire in nothing more antisemitic than using trumped up charges of non-existent antisemitism to win elections - no Jews - no antisemitism
CREDIT WHERE CREDIT'S DUE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:12 AM

TO BE FAIR - IT IS IN THEIR "LILY-WHITE" GENES
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:12 AM

Don't engage with him, Jim. You know where that leads. For every bit of propaganda he comes up with about Labour there is twice as much ammunition against the Tories. It really isn't worth the effort. Just let the facts speak for themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:23 AM

"Don't engage with him, Jim"
Why not - his arguments are as full of holes as a string vest
He cares about as much for the Jewish people as he dows for the "bogtrotting Irish" or the "theiving" Travellers, or "hippopotamus - like" black Britains, or "teatpot" homosexual Irish politicians
Scratch a racist bigot and there's no telling what you'll find under the skin
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:34 AM

It's the attention he wants but I see that there is no use pursuing that line of reason. Please feel free to continue and I shall not respond to either. Makes it easier all round.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 11:52 AM

Don't mind who you respond to Dave
I've finished here anyway - I'd forgotten how easy he is to knock over
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:13 PM

Well come friday 13th we shall know who is right and who is wrong.
He cares about as much for the Jewish people as he dows for the "bogtrotting Irish" or the "theiving" Travellers, or "hippopotamus - like" black Britains, or "teatpot" homosexual Irish politicians
Obviously learnt nothing while on your hols. Still trying to pick fights by misquoting. Just behave yourself!

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:25 PM

'Friday the 13th' says it all about the prospect of Boris winning...

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:42 PM

That would be more like Fright Night, PFR.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Iains
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:48 PM

PFR I wish I shared your confidence. I know Boris has a superb record of delivering but the polls are still too close to be sure he will be able to deliver a majority, or even win. Still Friday 13th cannot be unlucky for everyone- barring an impact event of course.

Subject: RE: BS: UK General election December 12 2019
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Dec 19 - 12:57 PM

500.