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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Janie Date: 06 Jan 08 - 01:10 AM Edwards is protectionist because he has seen first hand the effects of globalization on his home state as one textile mill and furniture mill after another has moved overseas, and as the tech jobs with IBM, Nortel, Lucent, etc, have been outsourced overseas. I like his talk, but not his walk. As best I can tell, outside of the courtroom, he is ineffective, and has not demonstrated any leadership capabilities that suggest he could effectively lead congress or influence public opinion to put his ideas into action in the face of anything but clear consensus. And clear consensus is not likely. I was very disappointed in his performance as US Senator, believed he betrayed those of us who elected him by his voting record in Congress on significant issues, and the limited dealings I had with his congressional staff were significant for the ineptitude of his operations. As a social worker I did not see any effect at all that he had as head of the Center on Poverty, Opportunity and Work (or whatever it was called) at the law school at UNC-Chapel Hill after the last election. Assuming the next president is a Democrat and the next congress is also a Democrat majority (and that may be assuming a lot,) the President is going to still need to be a skillful Wheeler-Dealer who can keep his eye on the prize of his agenda and not just his personal power-base. I don't think he gets the difference. The North Carolina primary is not until May, but at this point, I doubt Edwards will win the primary here in his home State. If he ends up the Democratic nominee, I'll vote for him, but I think he would be the least effective President of the three main Democratic candidates. I'm leaning more and more toward Obama because I think he has the best chance of developing, as an elected official a power-base that incorporates to at least some small extent, the American electorate, as opposed to simply corporate and monied interests. Both as a candidate and as a President, he may have the capacity to lead the common people of our country to experience themselves as having power, and to act like they are enfranchised, thus asserting some power that is independent of the big money interests. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jan 08 - 10:31 AM Obama/Edwards as a "dream team", LH??? Yeah, the ultimate nightmare of a dream team, IMO... These two guys don't mix... Edwards is too angry... Okay, I like that because I'm purdy oissed off myself but the Obama ***brand*** is not one of anger and that is why he is doing so well... Plus, excatly what state do you think Edwards can put in the win column??? None... That is reality... He couldn't even get his own state of North Carolina in '04... No, my choices of the dream teams are as follows: 1. Obama/Warner... (Former Va. Governor Mark Warner is very popular, a fiscal conservative, bi-partisan and can keep a smile on his face... and deliver Virginia's elctorial college votes to Obama...) 2. Obama/Richardson... (Richardson brings into the mix tons of foreign policy experience and can not only deliver New Mexico but also perhaps Arizona and Hispanic votes everywhere...) 3. Obama/Webb... (Jim Webb, Virginia's junior Senator brings a real time war hero into the mix, strong anti-Iraq-War credentials and being the former under Secretary of the Navy doesn't hurt either...) Now as for New Hampshire: I think Clinton will pull ouy the win but with such as small margin of victory over Obama that it won't be viewed as a victory... But it does come down to participation... A large turnout can put Obama in the winner's circle... ON the Repub side, I think McCain will do well but not quite well enough to knock off Romney... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 06 Jan 08 - 10:43 AM I saw one poll that had Obama ahead by a couple of percentage points, others say they're in a dead heat. I think Obama's riding a post-Iowa wave, and it hasn't peaked yet. Edwards and Obama did good during the debate, but I had a feeling they were going out for dinner and drinks later. Clinton did very well, but she spent time attacking the other two when she could have been talking about specifics about her own campaign. Richardson was tolerated and did better than I would have. He was funny a couple of times, and other times, seemed to completely lose the plot. I think I'm going to be waffling (not as much as Romney) between Edwards and Obama right up to when I mark my ballot. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Riginslinger Date: 06 Jan 08 - 11:02 AM Did anyone watch the Republican debate. I couldn't believe my eyes. Ron Paul would say something that made pretty good sense to me, and all the other candidates would laugh at him. Paul was the only one there I'd even think about supporting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jan 08 - 01:01 PM Of course they laughed at Ron Paul, Rigs... The current crop of Repubs is wired so fundamentally different than Ron Paul that they think he is joking... But then again, though Ron Paul has grace, I'm sure that he thinks the rest of the cast is a big joke... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jan 08 - 01:45 PM Well, Bobert, you've about got me convinced... ;-) (about who Obama should team up with if he runs) As for Ron Paul, he's the only Republican who's talking about anything that makes any sense. The rest of them are in some kind of dreamworld of their own creation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bill D Date: 06 Jan 08 - 02:30 PM Janie...thanks for some interesting 'local' perspective on Edwards. That's the kind of information we should be getting on all the candidates. I do think becoming president automatically gives one some built-in organization and staff that can help overcome certain weaknesses...and Senate conformation can weed out some other bad choices....though it would be awkward. I hope Edwards improves, no matter what he's doing next year.....it sure would be nice to have your worries prove groundless, huh? I 'can' see Edwards in some sort of advisory or cabinet post if he is not on the ticket. "Secretary of Righteous Indignation" perhaps...or has Kucinich got that one tied up? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Amos Date: 06 Jan 08 - 02:33 PM Wonder if Ron Paul would serve as Veep? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bill D Date: 06 Jan 08 - 03:11 PM sure would be interesting. Don't put a lot of money on an offer...from either side. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: GUEST,dianavan Date: 06 Jan 08 - 03:40 PM My daughter and I watched the debate together. From a Canadian perspective, this is what we observed. Clinton came off better than expected. We actually like her more than we did before. Obama seemed tired and not quite up to it. Edwards looked good over all. Richardson had his feet on the ground. The Republicans were old hat except Ron Paul who stole the show. What about an Edwards/Richardson ticket? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 06 Jan 08 - 06:40 PM A, Exactly who would tap Ron Paul fir VP??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Riginslinger Date: 06 Jan 08 - 06:41 PM I like that, and Edwards/Richardson ticket. I thought Richardson did surpisingly well too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Little Hawk Date: 06 Jan 08 - 06:53 PM So did I. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Amos Date: 06 Jan 08 - 06:57 PM Bobez: Obama. He says he wants to work across the parties, etc. It would definitely demonstrate walking the walk! Dunno if it would fly, though. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Peter Kasin Date: 07 Jan 08 - 06:57 AM Bobert, my thoughts exactly on Obama/Richardson. I think you've pegged that one as the best choice for Obama, if he gets the nomination. As for a unity ticket with Ron Paul, that, I think, would be like oil and water.Those attracted to Paul's antiwar stance should realize that his libertarian views include laizzes faire economics, which the majority of Americans (thankfully) don't support, and his libertarian non-interventionist foreign policy echos back to the days of the America First committees and the old guard senate isolationists like Wheeler and Borah. Paul doesn't even support humanitarian intervention Darfur! There are better foreign policy alternatives to recklessness than nonintervention. Chanteyranger |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 07 Jan 08 - 07:41 AM Well, Amos, one thing that the press hasn't yet reported on is Obama's record in the Illinios legislature were he had a record of getting folks accross the isle to vote for bills he put forward... One such bill that passed unanimously was one that required that not only confessions but all intergations be videotaped... Yeah, every Repub in the chanber voted for it... I just don't think his record has become public yet but if he does get the nomination, it will and he will look even better... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 07 Jan 08 - 09:46 AM In the NH Mock Election for the public school, Obama and Romney took it. Results here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 07 Jan 08 - 11:50 AM I want to go out, but from looking at the schedules and the news, you can't move without running into a candidate or the ensuing wake. Hillary just left Portsmouth (looked like Breaking New Grounds) and is headed for Dover (my dentist is probably in hog heaven because he's for her and the event is practically across the street from him), and Edwards will be in Dover later this afternoon. The only one of the top three Dems I'm probably safe from, traffic-jam-wise is Barack Obama. I don't even know where the Repubs are. Maybe I should just stay inside and watch TV. ...except then I have to deal with incessant pollsters/recorded phone ads. At least yesterday I was visited by a couple of young Obama supporters. Thought the Witesses were back, but nope. They DID report that my community was nicer than the last, where they had doors slammed in their faces. Oh well. Think I'll venture forth later and take my chances. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 07 Jan 08 - 12:04 PM She was at Cafe Espresso, not Breaking New Grounds. Probably not really important. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Alice Date: 07 Jan 08 - 12:10 PM Mock election in the schools.... LOL That reminds me of when my son was in the first grade and they had a mock presidential election in his school. He voted for Ross Perot. I asked him why, and he said, because he was the mystery guy with the big black mustache. (Hercule Poirot) The only first grader in his class watching Masterpiece Theater? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jan 08 - 12:19 PM Jeri, put a sign on your front door: "I have gone to the rally." Unplug the phone. And relax. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: AllisonA(Animaterra) Date: 07 Jan 08 - 12:21 PM Yes, Jeri, and my phone is ringing off the hook. It's amusing to see the Caller ID: Kucinich, Obama, and Edwards have called (not they themselves but their devotees) but when someone calls for Hilary it's Blocked! Hmmmmm... I love being Undecided at this time of year! Last time I got a free dinner for a small select group of guests at a fine restaurant with Elizabeth Edwards and her, er, close personal friend Glenn Close! No dinner invites this year, though. Darn. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Jan 08 - 12:28 PM So what's the deal with the phone? Have you blocked the calls from Hillary, or is the phone company covertly involving themselves in the election? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 07 Jan 08 - 01:19 PM The caller ID is blocked, not the call. You only find out who it's from when you answer the phone. Allison, isn't it wonderful to feel wanted? Edwards was in Keene yesterday. Decided to save the sallying forth for tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jan 08 - 01:36 PM " isn't it wonderful to feel wanted?" Well...........mabye...but there was once a female who spent about 4 years pursuing me relentlessly hither and yon. I definitely felt "wanted", and it wasn't wonderful! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Amos Date: 07 Jan 08 - 01:46 PM That's just cuz you lacked diplomatic savoir faire, LH...if it had been Obama he would have made a voter out of her. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 07 Jan 08 - 01:49 PM I was being sarcastic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Amos Date: 07 Jan 08 - 01:59 PM Dang, Jeri -- you had to go and say it out loud and spoil the whole flavor of the thing! ;>) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jan 08 - 02:12 PM Heh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: KB in Iowa Date: 07 Jan 08 - 04:45 PM I know how you feel, Jeri. Well, I knew how you feel. Last week I was Cock o' the Walk but nobody cares any more. Isn't that just the way of it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 07 Jan 08 - 06:22 PM The state is one thing, but Dixville Notch citizens start voting at midnight, and probably finish 15 minutes later. Hillary just stepped in it, claiming that LBJ was responsible for civil rights, not Martin Luther King. Obama was talking about how his 'I have a dream' speech showed the same sort of 'false hope' that Clinton accused him of. She said the movement had taken a president to be successful. I know she didn't mean it the way it came across - a dismissal of MLK's role - but I think she might possibly have pooched it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 07 Jan 08 - 06:44 PM VP Candidate to run with Obama? If I were him I'd want someone who might make the idea of shooting me seem less attractive. Hillary Clinton comes to mind... |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: curmudgeon Date: 07 Jan 08 - 08:46 PM I think that Jeri, a relative newcomer, has called this election correctly, thus far. But speaking as a native with 65 + years of experience and participation, I would offer some cautions. New Hampshire is currently being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century. Once a bastion of staunch Republican conservatism, the stae is experiencing a Renaissance of humanity and civilisation. It is therefore, not that predictable. The short time lapse since Iowa means that polls will not be that reflective of the true intent of the voters until tomorrow morning. Many Granite Staters take a perverse delight in lying to pollsters. 30% of the electorate is still favoring "Undecided." Dixville Notch and Hart's Location will be voting at midnight, but I don't recall more than two Democratic votes in the past fifty years. And at this moment, Linn and I are planning to vote for John Edwards. Time will tell - Tom |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: curmudgeon Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:31 AM Dixville Notch - 17 voters 1 Democrat, 3 Republicans, 13 Independants McCain - 4 Romney - 2 Giuliani - 1 Obama - 7 Edwards - 2 Richardson - 1 |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:51 AM Tom- Democratic candidates would appear to have a decisive edge in picking up the "Independent" vote. Interesting! We will have our caucuses here in Maine in 4 weeks or so but probably by that time no one will care! Charley Noble, about to shovel more snow off the porch roof |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: curmudgeon Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:00 AM Hart's Location - 29 voters. Democratic - 8 Republican - 8 Independant - 13 Obama - 9 Clinton - 3 Edwars - 1 McCain - 6 Huckabee - 5 Paul - 4 Romney -1 In this case, the independents seemed to go Republican - Tom |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Charley Noble Date: 08 Jan 08 - 11:28 AM Tom- Maybe they flipped a coin? Geez, Romney's not doing so good in either place, nor Giuliani for that matter but he's saving his efforts for the BIG STATES. Charley Noble |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: curmudgeon Date: 08 Jan 08 - 05:19 PM Voting seems to be rather intense. When we voted at 10:30, 500 had been there before us; and this in a town of 4000+ total population. There is a fear in some towns and cities of a ballot shortfall. Independents, aka Undeclareds can ask for either a Repub or Dem ballot. There's no way to determine how the divide will go. Right now, it looks like 60% Dem and 40% Repub. Stay tuned for updates - Tom |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Amos Date: 08 Jan 08 - 07:35 PM "...a turnout that could help give an edge to Obama, who is counting on the state's independent voters, who account for 40 percent of the state's electorate. Multimedia Your Candidate? Find Your Presidential Match! Voting started at most polling places at 6 am ET, and will close at 8 p.m. ET, with about three-fourths of the vote in by 7 p.m. The results will be eagerly awaited by all the campaigns -- but the stakes are highest on the Democratic side for Clinton. New Hampshire Deputy Secretary of State Dave Scanlan told ABC News that turnout is "absolutely huge, and towns are starting to get concerned that they don't have enough ballots." Turnout was particularly high in Portsmouth and Keene -- both of which are overwhelingly Democratic. In a northern hamlet of the state, voters of Dixville Notch and Hart's Location cast the first 46 ballots of the primary season, giving wins to Obama on the Democratic side and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., for the Republicans -- both considered candidates popular with the state's independent voters. ..." The turnout seems to be unexpectedly high across the state. I look forward to hearing some results. I expect a 20% margin in favor of Mr Obama. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:01 PM Think I'll jus' click on my "Memphis Blues" 4 CD compilation, bomb around the innernet and check out the results a little later... Sounds like mah main man Obama is going to kick some Hillary butt, tho... Obama/Richardson '08 B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:14 PM I still think Obama/Clinton makes sense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:16 PM Currently, with 12% of precincts in: Clinton: 38% Obama: 36% Edwards: 17% |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Peace Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:38 PM OUCH |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jan 08 - 08:58 PM No, ouch, Brucie... The early returns always come from the "sticks" where Clinton will "out-sticks" Obama because she is, ahhhh, old business... That's what the "sticks" are all about... Ol' business... Hang it there, buddy... Things are gonna "change" dramatically as the night goes on... Now listenin' to "Feel So Worried" (which I ain't) by Sammy Lewis and Willie Johnson... Man, these cats had it all... Oh yeah, the N.H. primary... Looks like a yawner to me... My man, Obama, gonna kick some serious butt... Lke what is new??? Danged!!! I hate this... I'm gonna have to go out and work for a Dem this year... Man, something wrong here... Oh well??? B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:05 PM Not from the sticks. Manchester big (for NH) city. Concord is predicted to go for Obama, as is the seacoast. Other than that, NH has a LOT of sticks. The exit polls showed Obama ahead, but we'll have to see if that has any relationship to reality. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Bobert Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:11 PM Well, Jeri, Obama gonna take N.H. so big that Bill is thinkin' of going back to Monika... ..lol... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Donuel Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:16 PM Hey I called it at noon, ;^ ] whats all the fuss. Obama wins. They say that Bill Clinton came in second in New Hampshire and thats when he earned the nick name come back kid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:19 PM I hope you're right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: So, Who Will Win New Hampshire? From: Jeri Date: 08 Jan 08 - 09:19 PM She's still ahead |