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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: catspaw49 Date: 19 Nov 99 - 11:48 PM Uh BB....You need to ask your teacher about that female shape=female guitar thing. He calls that 0 of his "Woody" and has also had a "Tex" and the infamous "Implosive Pedro"........... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Little Neophyte Date: 19 Nov 99 - 11:59 PM And what do you think BB stands for Catspaw? |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: catspaw49 Date: 20 Nov 99 - 12:33 AM Well I was thinking Banjo Bonnie. Makes me wonder what kind of reputation I have around this place? I simply shorten a name to initials and its supposed to mean something else? You were expecting what?
Big Boobs? No, Phyte...I was just thinking BB was short for Banjo Bonnie....And Rick IS high on you. Says real great stuff like he did here even behind your back!!! Sounds to me like you're doing just great. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Frank Hamilton Date: 20 Nov 99 - 10:28 AM The guitar is not quite as logical as the piano. And when something is done that is truly spectacular like a Django Reinhardt solo, it tends not to be noticed as much by people who haven't had a musical background. The electric guitar changed this by becoming an agressive solo instrument in rock bands. Jimmy Hendrix was noticed by the general public. Eddie Lang comparitively was not. The volume of the accoustic guitar is the reason. The harder you beat to get it to sound loud or have carrying power, it the worse it sounds. Even Count Basie's Freddie Greene was miced a lot of the time. Bottom line. The accoustic guitar was never meant to be a showy instrument, Doc or Django withstanding. It's a rotten instrument if blazing virtuosity is what you're looking for such as in the hands of a Horowitz, Eddy Peabody, Dizzy Gillespie, Hendrix or ?. It will always be upstaged by a flashy fiddler, pianist, even mandolinist or banjo player. But as an accompaniment instrument, I believe it has no equal. It's more intimate than the piano, friendlier to the voice, supportive of other instruments, a great rhythm instrument, a versatile instrument accepted worldwide and beautiful to look at. What more could anyone ask for? Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 20 Nov 99 - 12:44 PM I don't know what it is about us Frank, but somehow or another, we always disagree ;-)--Eddie Lang was very popular in his time,so much so that they wanted to make a movie star out of him, and, so I have been told, he died do to compliations from the comsmetic surgery that the studios thought that he needed-- You can't forget Nick Lucas here, because he was a phenomenal guitarist, and his movie appearance, playing "Tip-Toe through the Tulips", was what turned the guitar into a mainstream instrument--If you want to hear some mind-blowing guitar work, listen to that recording! Guitar does tend to be an accompanists instruments, but when Manitas de Plata played, there was no one who could upstage him, fiddle or not-- Guitar is a rhythm instrument that can play chords and melody, and in the hands of a master, there is a polyrhymical thing that you can get going that no other instrument can touch--check out Bola Sete, either his Bossa recordings, or classical stuff, such as his unbelievable recordings of works by the above mentioned Villa-Lobos--
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: JedMarum Date: 21 Nov 99 - 01:04 AM I rarely feel limited by my guitar ... by my ability to play it, perhaps, but I think the guitar is a beautiful instrument, for accompaniment or solo. You can play melody and keep the rythym, finger or flat picking. It is limited perhaps, compared to a piano, but it offers much more creative exploration than I expect I'll ever achieve! |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: SingsIrish Songs Date: 21 Nov 99 - 04:31 AM Ah the guitar.... My view as to the shape is this: so that females can play it more easily.....(I'll let you guys think about that.) And Mick Lowe, your metaphor re the guitar being the musical equivalent of a beautiful woman aroused me BIG TIME! It also made me think of The Saw Doctors song "D'ya Wanna Hear My Guitar?" (Songs From Sun Street cd). I quote the pertinent lines:
You can take it in your hands a while - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Now I don't play the guitar (I play flute)...but I do love to hear it! It is a great instrument, and like with any instrument, the better the quality you can afford, the happier you will be with the sound as you learn. Mary Kate
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Mick Lowe Date: 21 Nov 99 - 08:00 PM The one great thing that us guitar players has above other " melody instruments" is that for the main part we can sing whilst accomanying ourselves.. try that with the trumpet/flute .. whatever.. I daren't answer sophocleese because the G string is the one I usually break.. and there's a good reason for that, in that it has the highest tension than the other strings on a standard accoustic... And I have to agree with Frank re Django Rheinhardt.. how anyone could play the guitar with (was it two or three) fingers missing off his left hand, just blows my mind If like me, you're into "Irish" music, and you play the guitar, you'll soon know your place.. your not going to be the star of the show.. but if like me you are fortunate enough to be associated with a "true musician" who can play all the diddly stuff.. even if they don't come outright and say it.. you know just how important the guitar is in laying down that accompanying ryhthym is... So never be discouraged... the guitar is here to stay. Mick
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 21 Nov 99 - 09:33 PM Mick--It is not so easy to play guitar for Irish music, what with having to keep a fairly quick tempo and all--they never say much in appreciation, but just drag behind or play a wrong chord, then they'll say something outright enough!! |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Mbo Date: 22 Nov 99 - 08:40 AM Hey, M.Ted, I'm sorry if I sounded rude or insulted you. It's just that I've been living in my own world of music for so long now, cut off from other musicians, that I tend to get very hot on the subject of music I like, especially when someone with differing opinions takes it down a notch. I guess some Classical guitar stuff is not everyone's cup of tea, but to me, all those silly wimpy little Baroque dances are a great pleasure to hear and play. On the subject of the guitar in general, I think (as others have said) that it's not such a great melody instrument, like the violin or banjo, or has the simplicity that maybe the piano has, but I think the guitar is better by far. All the soloists, pianist, fiddler, banjo players, trumpeter, etc. are the icing on the cake, playing their flashy melodies and all. But the guitar is the cake! The guitar and bass are the structure upon which everything else is built, and a building with no frame falls down! A guitarist (and bass players as well) don't often get the recognition the melodists get-they tend to stay in the background. I am satisfied of that, and would rather be the humble understructuring than the guy playing the melody. Here's an analogy: there are two vehicles, a flashy new sports car with no trunk or storager space, and an old pickup truck. The sports car looks nice and always starts right up, and people always tell you how beautiful it is, and wish they had one. Then there's the old pickup truck. Muddy, cantankerous, but with a lot of heart, and a veteran of many hauling and moving jobs. Nobody ever notices it, but it's there in the background, doing all the heavy and hard work that no one really wants to do. To me, the ol' pickup is nobler by far--so too is the guitar, and bass, and drums, and all us folks supporting the melody. We don't care about not being in the front, and we see our playing as a call to duty to support our fellow musicians. --Mbo (here's to all the musicians of the world, for we are such stuff that dreams are made on) |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Terry Allan Hall Date: 22 Nov 99 - 08:51 AM Must disagree...the guitar is a wonderful instrument...what other instrument can do all that a guitar can do, and still fit across your back? A very wise man once told me "If you truly wish to become proficient on any instrument, you must understand that the learning process takes your entire life time." 32 years and counting! ;-) |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Fortunato Date: 22 Nov 99 - 09:50 AM So I'm talking to Bill, guitar salesman at Chuck Levins, telling him not to get his nipples hard for a sale 'cause I have to go play a Bourgeois and a Collings which he ain't got. I must because I've sold my Martins and my old mainstay Gibson is wearing out. He said: "Ah. You need a new friend." 'Nuff said?"
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: M. Ted (inactive) Date: 22 Nov 99 - 10:23 AM Mbo, Of course, you have to understand that I was just making a point about the guitar not having enough punch to dominate melodically in an ensemble situation, particularly for dance music--The "wimpy" was kind of droll, I meant that even in the most subdued dance music, (and you must agree that baroque dances are more subdued than, say clogging, or swing, or any of that more contemporary stuff), the guitar can't really hold the floor for very long-- Of course, when you play electric music, it is all different--the lead guitar can do "everything", and everybody has to bow down--but you aren't really using the instrument to it's full potential, and it is hard to amplify in a way that enhances the great subtlety of timbre and pitch that the guitar affords-- It has occassionally occurred to me that it would be great to get together an acoustic guitar duo and show off all the things you really can do with a guitar--Country, Blues, Blue Grass, Jazz, Rock--the idea being that two guitars can do way more than any other two instruments, including play that driving dance stuff-- The problem has been that even though a two guitars can do that stuff, the guitar players have to be really super--
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Fiddler Date: 22 Nov 99 - 09:12 PM Being a fiddler I don't give a Sh.. |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Mark Clark Date: 07 Feb 02 - 12:06 AM |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: Don Firth Date: 07 Feb 02 - 01:58 AM . . . even in the most subdued dance music, (and you must agree that baroque dances are more subdued than, say clogging, or swing, or any of that more contemporary stuff), the guitar can't really hold the floor for very long . . . Well, there is flamenco. I'd hardly call that subdued. A flamenco guitar is plenty loud and it cuts right throught the singing, the clapping, and the heel work. Accompanying flamenco with anything but a guitar just doesn't sound right. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: mack/misophist Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:01 AM Checkers is probably the easiest game in the world to play. Any little kid can learn to play checkers. But only a handful of old men in the South abd Midwest have really mastered it. Kinda like the guitar. |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: RichM Date: 07 Feb 02 - 12:03 PM The guitar has too many strings! That's my opinion...and that's why i now mainly play upright bass, and recently started the octave mandolin.
Still, the guitar is such a seductress.... Rich McCarthy |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: GUEST,c-flat Date: 07 Feb 02 - 02:55 PM the guitar is probably the most versatile instrument in existence,crossing almost every musical boundary whether played by a solo instrumentalist,as a vocal accompaniment or as part of a larger group.I'm no master of any style but have had years of pleasure with my guitar playing in many different musical situations.As far as being a "rotten instrument" I can sympathise to some extent.Just when you think your getting somewhere someone plays you your first "Django" so you sweat and study and your getting close until a "mate" drops by with his new "rosenberg trio"CD.I've been playing for 30 years and I have days when the only difference between my 6 string and my mandolin is the length of time they would take to burn! Picking up the guitar as a kid is still the best thing I ever did! |
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Subject: RE: The guitar is a rotten instument From: 53 Date: 07 Feb 02 - 10:38 PM Don't tell Gibson, Taylor, Fender, or Takamine, or it would break their hearts. |
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