Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Genie Date: 22 Jan 02 - 03:36 AM I don't think the link to Saddest Song I has been posted. Here it is Genie |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: alanabit Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:01 AM Dylan's "If You See Her Say Hello" and Randy Newman's "I Think It's Going to Rain Today". |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Navillus Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:37 AM Fields of Athenry and Born on the Fourth of July do it for me. |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE GRAVE (Don McLean) From: Steveie1 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 08:14 AM THE GRAVE (Don McLean) From memory:-
The grave that they dug him had flowers
And the rain fell like pearls on the leaves of the flowers
But the silence of night was shattered by fire
He crouched ever lower, ever lower with fear {Moody guitar bit}
The grave that they dug him had flowers That song just does it for me every time I sing it - Great! Ah! |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Murph10566 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 09:48 AM How about Eric Bogle's "One Small Star", or The Irish Descendants' "Will They Lie There Evermore"...or Bruce Springsteen's "Streets of Philadelphia ? Also, I reviewed the 'Saddest Song I' thread, and found a question from Wyo Woman about the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial... Have you ever heard John McDermott's cover of "The Wall"(EMI / Remembrance); Michael McCann has also released a version on his CD "Soldiers' Songs"... worth a listen or two... Regards, M.
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Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: jup Date: 22 Jan 02 - 03:53 PM "Long Long Before Your Time" Does it for me every time. Jup. |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Murph10566 Date: 22 Jan 02 - 04:33 PM Two more that are worthy of note, I think: "Over the Rainbow" by the late Eva Cassidy (whose voice was so sweet and pure that she is surely singing with a Heavenly Chorus... and, a different approach to Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again, Naturally" by Vonda Sheppard (Allie McBeal)... What d'ye think ? M. |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST Date: 22 Jan 02 - 05:31 PM Life is the saddest song of all.
Actually, two thoughts. I have yet to get thru "Run, Kate Shelley, Run" dry-eyed on the guitar, and I've been trying for months. I did it one mando once and made it, because I had to concentrate on the other side of the brain. That's not even a sad song, now that I think of it, just melodramatic. But my "different instrument" thing is a parallel to the "different melody" suggestion made by good old Skipjack. I'll try that melody thing.
I have, however, just gone thru a deal which will forever enshrine Tom Paxton's "Hold On to Me, Babe" as THE saddest song EVER. All of 35 years ago, I knew a person who was truly neat, creative, sensitive, etc., but very, very moody, sort of drifting thru relationships without any of them 'taking.' Just found out that she was abused as a child. She's working it out now, but it's rather too late for any of us who knew her in college to help spare her years of grief.
"There was something locked inside you, like a secret, burning pain, The world is total crap, sometimes. CC |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST,Chicken Charlie Date: 22 Jan 02 - 05:33 PM Re previous post-- I forgot that for some reason I now post as "Guest." Had I remembered I would have signed that Chicken Charlie. CC |
Subject: Lyr Add: THE BALLAD OF MONGREL GREY From: GUEST,Stavanger Bill Date: 23 Jan 02 - 06:21 AM Dave Bryant's post mentioned "HOME LADS, HOME," a song I've heard a few times when I've travelled back to the UK. The version I have heard starts with, "Overseas in Flanders..."
And further on in the song,
Is sung
Or In Part I of this thread there were numerous posts about "OLD SHEP." One on a similar theme about a horse is "THE BALLAD OF MONGREL GREY," an adaptation of a poem by A. B. Patterson. THE BALLAD OF MONGREL GREY
I'll tell you a story an old stockman told
Just a no-account Brumby bred out on the Never
We well may have sold him but someone had said
Down in a cabin on our lower run
One night quite sudden a flash flood came down
Out to the stock pen I ran and I found
With my stock whip I tied the child to his back
Now he dodged the timber wherever he could
I climbed into a tree and there had to sit
Now he's kept for the wife on the homestead to ride
Now you've all heard the story that old stockman told Eric Bogle's SING THE SPIRIT HOME takes a bit of effort to get through. Cheers, Bill |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Zipster Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:30 AM Not sure which thread to add to now. Currently listening to Matt McGinns THe Rolling Hills of the Borders and given that a good friend recently buried his mother back in her native Scottish borders that has me welling-up. I agree with so many of the above, but I haven't seen Sonny's Dream anywhere. A beautiful song and a sad tale of missed opportunities. Personally I have a great fondness for "Yellow Roses". Its an Arthur Alexander composition the recording I have is Ry Cooder (Chicken Skin Music I think). Search as I have I can't find chords anywhere on the web. If anyone can help I'd be very grateful. |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Sooz Date: 23 Jan 02 - 02:07 PM Has anyone scored the individual songwriters that have come up in this thread? Eric Bogle must be very near the top of the list and no-one has yet mentioned My Youngest Son or Nobody's Moggy (depending on your viewpoint). How about Alistair Hulett's He Fades Away and Ralph McTell's Jesus Wept. |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Genie Date: 23 Jan 02 - 03:19 PM Here's a link to the Ethel Waters song referred to above. It's "Supper Time" written by Irving Berlin for a 1933 musical, "As Thousands Sing." The musical makes it clear that the father has been lynched. The song lyrics themselves don't tell you why he isn't coming home.
Willie O., Genie |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Jan 02 - 03:50 PM Bob Dylan's "Most Of The Time", "Ballad of Hollis Brown", and the one about the mining town that's slowly dying, whatever it's called...Al Stewart later borrowed from it in a pretty obvious way to write his song "Ballad of Mary Foster", which is also very sad. Not that they are your typical tearjerkers...they're not melodramatic or contrived enough for that, but they sure are sad. - LH |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Genie Date: 23 Jan 02 - 04:41 PM Little Hawk, I think the Dylan song you're referring to is "Red Iron Ore." Joan Baez sings it on her "Any Day Now" album. Genie |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST,Steve N. Date: 23 Jan 02 - 05:00 PM Hands-down, it's "Come All Ye Tenderhearted", which can be found on an album by the most wonderful Peter Rowan. This old-timey song is not sad, it's what us Bluegrassers refer to as "Pitiful"! |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST Date: 23 Jan 02 - 07:03 PM Isn't Red Iron Ore actually North Country Blues? |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST,Argenine Date: 23 Jan 02 - 09:19 PM Guest, I'm not sure about "North Country Blues." It's not the same as "The Girl From The North Country," though. |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Robo Date: 24 Jan 02 - 01:29 AM A well-sung "Fields of Athenry" will do it for me, too, and so will "The Town I Loved So Well." Tim O'Brien also has a terrific song in "First Days of Fall." Rob-o |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Steveie1 Date: 24 Jan 02 - 08:13 AM I've been pondering my set list since reading this thread and in my top 30 must sung songs 21 must rank as sad zero are actually happy the other 9 are light hearted but essentially sad. Sally Wheatley, Kew Gardens, Lock Keeper etc. Need to work on some happy stuff but struggle with the sincerity of it. Maybe a link for the future is "The Happiest Song of All Time" |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Little Hawk Date: 24 Jan 02 - 05:18 PM Yes, the Dylan song is called North Country Blues. Growing up in Hibbing, a dying former mining town, he had plenty of inspiration for writing it. Al Stewart took the melody, changed it slightly at the end of each verse, took some of the lyrical phrases, and wrote the Ballad of Mary Foster. Dylan probably had borrowed much of the song from previous folk tradition too, so that's okay with me. Al Steward was obviously a big Dylan fan in his early period, covering "She Acts Like We Never Have Met" on one of the early albums, when he rarely recorded anything but originals. He then went on to write songs quite unlike anything anyone else has come up with...good for him! - LH |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST,Oulmole Date: 24 Jan 02 - 06:27 PM The Parting Song (Journey's End), by J.B. Goodenough. Carroll Ban, by John Keegan Casey -- on the strength of the last verse, sung by the bereaved lover of a young man hanged in the failed Irish rebellion of 1798: The meadow path is lonely, and the hearth is cold and dim, And the silent churchyard blossom blooms softly over him, And my heart is ever yearning for the calm that's coming on, When its weary pulse lies sleeping, beside my Carroll Ban. |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Genie Date: 05 Mar 02 - 02:23 AM "Grace" is a real tearjerker which, I understand, is based on a true story. (It's in the DT.) The Irish soldier (rebel?) is to be executed in the morning and marries his love that night, though they can touch only through the prison bars. Here is the chorus: "Oh Grace just hold me in your arms and let this moment linger. They'll take me out at dawn and I will die. With all my love I place this wedding ring upon your finger There won't be time to share our love for we must say goodbye. Genie
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Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Amergin Date: 05 Mar 02 - 02:37 AM Genie, the song Grace is about Joseph Mary Plunkett who was due to be executed for his part in the Easter Rising.....he was suffering from TB (I think)...hence the sick bed....he and Grace were married while he was imprisoned and awaiting his sentence to be carried out....after the wedding they were pulled apart....and on his last night...they were allowed a few minutes together.... |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Genie Date: 05 Mar 02 - 07:16 PM Thanks, Amergin. What you say ties in pretty well with what I had been told before. There is a guy who sings this song at Seattle Song Circle who has told us the story, and I'll check with him to see if he has any further details I've forgotten. I didn't remember the TB part, though. I had the impression that they actually married the night before the execution and were not allowed to spend any time alone together--that this was his way of expressing the strength of his devotion, that he wanted her to be his wife even if they were not able to comsummate the marriage or have any time really alone together. But my memory of it is foggy, and you seem to know the history. Genie |
Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: Genie Date: 05 Mar 02 - 09:42 PM In THIS THREAD, Micca (?) writes: ...Plunkett was sentenced to die by firing squad for his role in the Rising. He fought even though he was a very sickly person ... . He was engaged to marry his Grace [Gifford] and she was brought to him in the chapel of Kilmainem. They were surrounded by British soldiers and were not allowed to touch one another, nor even kiss. They were married by the Priest and the next morning he was taken out and shot. Genie
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Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: GUEST Date: 16 Mar 02 - 12:40 PM Genie, Glen sang this at our Seattle song circle. There's a nice recording of it on Seamus Kennedy's CD "A Smile and a Tear" http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/seamuskennedy10 This is from the CD liner notes: "This poem, written by Joseph Plunkett in 1911, was handed to Grace Gifford Plunkett, his new bride on the morning of May 4th 1916, just before he walked out to face the firing-squad." "Joseph Plunkett was 19 yrs old when he left his sick bed (he suffered from TB) to fight alongside Padraig Pearse and the other freedom fighters in the Easter Rebellion in Dublin, 1916. The Uprising was quelled and many of the rebels were executed by the English. At 1:30 a.m. on the 4th of May, Joseph Plunkett was led handcuffed into the chapel of Kilmainham Jail, where Father Eugene McCarthy united him in matrimony with his fiancee Grace Gifford. They were separated immediately after the ceremony. Just before dawn, Grace was brought back to his cell and they were allowed ten minutes together, and then as she left Joseph gave her the words of a poem he had written in 1911 - I See His Blood Upon the Rose. At dawn, his life was ended by an English firing-squad in Stonebreakers's yard." By the way, it's a great CD - I recommend it highly. Cheers, S. in Seattle
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Subject: RE: The Saddest Song of All--Part II From: JHW Date: 26 Apr 08 - 05:52 PM The Border Widow's Lament. Ae Fond Kiss and Ballad in Plain D from other posts are also worthy contenders. Does anyone have the technology to set up a ballot? |
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