Today in Ireland's History-II

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: Penny S.
Date: 20 Feb 00 - 01:29 PM

There was a good piece in The Guardian yesterday (it has a web site) from an ex-soldier. He refers, for example, to the soldiers' attitude to the loyalists, whose loyalty was recognised to be of a different kind.

Penny

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: Penny S.
Date: 20 Feb 00 - 01:31 PM

That's at www.newsunlimited.co.uk

Penny

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: Gary T
Date: 20 Feb 00 - 04:30 PM

Here's the specific article Penny referred to:
http://www.newsunlimited.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,138343,00.html
Sorry I don't have my "blue clicky" instructions handy.

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: Penny S.
Date: 20 Feb 00 - 05:32 PM

Thanks - last time I tried to give a direct link, I found myself held up at the opening page, so I haven't done so since.

Penny

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: GUEST,James
Date: 21 Feb 00 - 08:24 AM

I tnink that much of the content of this thread is a perfect example of why there will be no peace...ignorance of the past, distortion of facts, glorifying terrorists, blaming everyone else and all the other forms of denial that have made Ulster its' own worst enemy. It all amounts to sawing sawdust...put down the guns and bloody well get on with it...most people just want peace...rhetoric won't accomplish that...disarmament will.

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: wysiwyg
Date: 21 Feb 00 - 03:25 PM

Re-GUEST,Renee's post that included,"Americans don't understand that the people of Ireland live in fear of..."
I am NOT comenting on the rest of her posting as I don't know enough to make a start, but I would like to share something I think is related.

I never understood my Jewish friends as well as the day I sat in an auditorium in Skokie, IL. I was at this cultural center to see an Israeli dance troupe, and suddenly realized I was surrounded by about a thousand targets of violence. I could barely breathe, much less stay in my seat and relax, knowing I was in a building that could explode at any moment, just because it was being attended by a large number of hated people. I don't remember much about the dancing, except tears streaming down my face to see that Israelis dance even when they are terrified. I could barely sit in my seat with the fear flooding through me. They were dancing. Sometimes I just think about that. It tends to enlighten my perspective whenever I do.

So I don't understand what most of you are talking about, and can't pretend to. But from outside it, I pray for all in it, and hope to see that the talking about it has some meaning beyond the scraped-raw feelings.

Subject: RE: Today in Ireland's History-II
From: GUEST,Trevor
Date: 22 Feb 00 - 05:15 PM

I haven't gone away, you know. Trevor