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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Manitas Date: 01 Sep 01 - 03:41 PM I didn't teach their founder. He was Dick Shepherd and he taught me. I taught a few of the the bikers (along with Brian Russel) when they first joined but that must have been 15 years ago now. I bet they've changed the dancing quite a bit in that time. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bernard Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:29 AM In the immortal (immoral?) words of Les Barker: Waving handkerchieves Bid fat men with bells on Waving handkerchieves Morris dancing is crap! It must be, or I, and thousands of others, wouldn't waste a lot of our spare time doing it... It's a means to an end - the end being some serious drinking!! As to dances where you grab hold of women - ours is a mixed side (heh, heh!). Why do we wear bells? To annoy the blind as well as the deaf... And we all know why we aren't circumcised... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: DG&D Dave2 Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:10 AM Hi All. I danced the morris for many years with Derby Morrismen, But I fear that my dancing days are over since tearing a ligament at hergakitty's birthday party. In my opinion there are three main reasons why people dance (regardless of the type of dancing). 1) To be part of a team. A natural human condition. In morris this is usualy associated with large amounts of beer and sexual inuendo. See Ripley Morris! 2) To demonstrate prowess in athleticism (what I call "White Shoe Morris"). See Shropshire Bedlams. 3) To express a deep rooted, emmotional, empathy with some sort of pagan, earth mother, etherial being who helps the crops to grow. Which was Derby Morrismen's original ideal. I personaly only ever danced for the "White Goddess" and I know many others who feel the same. More Power To Your Ankles!!! Dave Barnes. P.S. I don't blame Kitty or Herga Morris for my recent injury. I blame the 8.5 abv cider at Sidmouth. I was a young man, I was a rover. Dave B. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: brid widder Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:20 AM the 'White Goddess' is that another name for Margaret Thatcher? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:29 AM brid widder-Plese ring me, my number is in your last PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Mr Red Date: 02 Sep 01 - 09:47 AM Abbots Bromley horns have been carbon dated to 1065 (ominous date) and are reindeer (not snow darling). Reindeer were extinct in about 600 AD in Britain. Not a lot of people know that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 02 Sep 01 - 10:39 AM Y'all have been trolled. It's an open secret that "Whippet" is a pseudonym of Anita Bryant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: HelenJ Date: 02 Sep 01 - 11:42 AM Ever been to Saddleworth Rushcart Whippet? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Les/Manchester Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:35 PM I have been to Saddleworth and seen them dance. I used to dance with Gorton. Saddleworth danced at the Gorton Rushworth cart. One year the ended the processional just behind Fiddler's Fancy ( one of many excellent Womens sides). Somebody said to one of Saddleworth MEN Oh, I see you are dancing with women now! The joker was struck by the MAN and left in an ambulance. It is the only case of violence I think I have witnessed at any Folk event. I think is said something about that deepseated uncertainty about what MEN are doing dancing together |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: HelenJ Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:36 PM On second thoughts is this just provocational and nothing else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: HelenJ Date: 02 Sep 01 - 12:43 PM Hi Les,No.1. son (JohnJ) used to dance for Saddleworth b ut always maintained that Gorton Rushcart was superior. I went a couple of times to Gorton and saw the Horn Dancers there. Why did it ever finish? I heard it was something to do with the council refusing to provide accommodation for the many sides who took part. So Chris of Gorton Tank told me. A great pity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: wildlone Date: 02 Sep 01 - 02:02 PM crap?, compared to what? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:31 PM Manitas, we have to blame someone..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: lady penelope Date: 02 Sep 01 - 04:43 PM John in Manchester, You obviously haven't seen some of morris sides dancing out at the moment if you think they've lost all their Pagan attitude!! TTFN M'Lady P. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:49 PM I have just ben looking at a fer morriss dancing sites, and it says they dannce a bit and ha ve a whip round for bee r money this sounns good to me, if my kneee was not nackered i I would have a go you can dance(keep fit as well and gwt some bear.johnPS please ekscuse any bad spellings I have bean drinking that is whyjohn |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 02 Sep 01 - 06:56 PM oh dear my last message looks vert drunk, I have been drinking rum that is why but at least i still put my name not like some guests who dont; even put there name if you want you can cancel my nessage and I will send ir again when i gey sober i won give any more messages to mudcat todat.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Jane2001 Date: 02 Sep 01 - 07:52 PM Hmmm, six athletic men prancing around in tight trousers. Yes I can appreciate that some people would not understand the attraction, but actually I quite like it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Snuffy Date: 02 Sep 01 - 08:01 PM I wouldn't describe my Morris Dancing performances as crap, but sometimes they can be on the ropy side. Now my whistle playing is usually crap, and my singing isn't always quite as good as I would like, but: I DO ALL OF THEM TO GIVE PLEASURE TO MYSELF. If anyone else gets pleasure out of them, that's a beneficial side effect, not the point of the activity. And Bagpuss, Lewis Carroll definitely used sha'n't rather than shan't. But I don't think anyone would seriously use it today. Wassail! V |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,john c Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:54 AM ALL dancing is a waste of space(but thats only cos I´ve got two very left feet!!). Great debut thread, by the way, Whippet - cats, pigeons and a tongue firmly behind the molars. Keep em coming! John And, namesake in Hull, I hope you´ve got an even worse hangover than me this morning. Bloody sure you deserve it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 03 Sep 01 - 02:09 AM Six athletic men in tight trousers? Hells teeth mate, tell me which team you were watching - PLEASE!!! Ain't never seen nothing like that in all the teams I've seen over the years, not six of them in one team..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Deni Date: 03 Sep 01 - 03:43 AM DEAD SERIOUS reply Most impressive Morris display I ever saw was one watched from a kids' eye view. we were in the tent ...excuse me...MARQUEE at Dartmoor Festival a couple of years ago and a some of my kids joined a group of youngsters watching the dancing. I joined them, mainly to make sure the kids didn't get trampled. We saw a lot of good displays. Then a bunch of big guys thundered in, banging sticks and doing a sort of violent skip around the marquee. Bearing in mind we were sitting on grass; the very earth vibrated, the kids shrank back in terror, their eyes were wide and they couldn't look away. A couple of the youngest actually started to cry. I began to get a real sense of ancient ritual. It was menacing and thrilling. Anyone who finds it namby-pamby should sit on the floor within inches of all those size 11 hobnail boots as they thunder by... keep going all you Morris dancers, there are people out here who love you... Cheers Deni
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Whippet Date: 03 Sep 01 - 04:39 AM I haven't vanished will be back this afternoon |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Guest - Whippet Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:04 AM Eeeh what a hornet nest I've stirred up. Some of you seem a little bit precious and holy.Some replies Skipjack _ alienate ? seems by the reaction it's t'other way. Mr Red - I think I've seen you, you've got everything red red bodhran, red glasses , trousers , top , beret perhaps you're verging slightly on the weird replying. Morticia is this a threat ? nice and peaceful pursuit. Cats Paw KKK ? as someone points out same colours. Leeniea - it's by it's nature a pseudonym but it's not that one. Brid Widder - Garland Dancing ? do us a favour it's for birds with fat arses that one. My thoughts on bodhrans are exactly the same by the way and I'll end this epistle by quoting Oscar Wilde eveyone should try everything once except Morris Dancing and Incest. Now I must admit I have seen one team that I liked for different reasons think they were Windsor Morrris top totty in white |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:47 AM whats an epistle? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: IanC Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:56 AM jih a letter |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 03 Sep 01 - 10:24 AM Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 03 Sep 01 - 11:18 AM I think the "everything but Morris Dancing & incest" quote is actually Thomas Beecham, not Wilde. Sorry to come to this thread so late: some joker has wiped out 20% of Chesterfield's phones by pouring petrol into a junction-box & setting it alight. Speaking as one who once did, I think the Morris is best enjoyed by doing, not by watching. I had a friend who used to say "I do it because it makes me feel like a man." A belated welcome to French Guest above: I second MaryMac - join up soon; it's all gain, no spam. Come and be a French Guest again this Christmas (hope it's the right French Guest). |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: John J Date: 03 Sep 01 - 12:23 PM From his reply I reckon Whippet is nowt but a stirrer. JJ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Jane2001 Date: 03 Sep 01 - 03:12 PM Oh Liz, so cynical. Are you rather young? Try Dog Rose. Only four of them, but when they wiggle their hips....! Personally I get quite excited over men over 50 who can get off the ground. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Les b (U.K.) Date: 03 Sep 01 - 04:41 PM I don't know if Whippet's statement about Morris Dancing was just to stir things up or not, but he/she did a good job. I am pleased to see a healthy lack of bigotry from most of the replies, but this is only what I would expect from folk fans. This sort of ignorant comment is what I would excpect from the less well informed ie:-'The Great English Public' who seem to take great delight at pouring scorn their own traditions and heritage such as traditional music, morris dancing and other 'folk customs'. These people poke fun at anything English and then rave over Irish, Scottish and Welsh culture. The Irish, Welsh and Scottish are proud or their culture and heritage whilst the English take the piss out of their own. There that's got that off my chest. Les |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 03 Sep 01 - 05:29 PM And if you are going to quote, get it right - it's FOLK dancing and incest.... not morris dancing. The two are not the same. Jane2001 - let me have a list of their dates please!! While I will not deny that there are some extremely sexy looking dancers out there (mentioning no penguins), there are a vast majority of not so sexy ones. There are nice bums, good tums and hairy chests. Just not all on the same dancer, or even in the same team! Garland dancing may be for girls with fat arses, but I've never done one in my life and don't intend to start now - and if it's about fat arses, I think I should know, don't you?? LTS (_^_) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Mr Red Date: 03 Sep 01 - 07:01 PM "Incest" quote is Sir Arnold Bax Tommy Beacham may have said it but he was supremely aware himself that he was credited with all sorts of acerbic wit already in the public domain because it was the kind of thing he might have said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: brid widder Date: 03 Sep 01 - 09:10 PM some of my best friends are Garland dancers....yes and some of them are in fact 'birds with fat arses'....in fact those words might have been chosen to describe me!!!(and I have been known to beat my own bodhran) Whippet I think your remarks are rude, ignorant and sizist!!! you might be a whippet...at the moment I feel like a rottweiller!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Longarm Date: 03 Sep 01 - 10:25 PM Hmmm, interesting thread this. I was once given some advice back in my youth. "One should attempt to try as many things in life as possible, with the exeption of incest and morris dancing'!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Sep 01 - 01:55 AM It's still folk dancing, whoever said it and however it's dressed. It's BLOODY FOLK DANCING!!! (sorry, toothache still playing up) LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: MikeofNorthumbria Date: 04 Sep 01 - 07:38 AM A note for the benefit of Whippet, and others holding similar opinions.
Morris dancing is a bit like football. In both, there are great teams, good teams, mediocre teams, and struggling teams. (And, as in football, even good teams sometimes have a bad day.) You may well have witnessed a few dire performances, but wait until you've seen it at its best before condemning the entire art form.
And if you still don't like it after that? Well, next time you encounter a team of Morris dancers in the street, just pass us by and get on with your sad life, while we (and our audience) carry on having fun in our own way! It doesn't harm anybody, and it gives a lot of people a lot of pleasure. If it's not your cup of tea, then go drink your coffee, and belt up!
And to the other contributors to this thread ... Wassail!
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,JohnB Date: 04 Sep 01 - 01:07 PM Just back from the Toronto Ale, had a great time, approx 120 or so dancers from 16 different sides/teams/whatever. At least two Mudacatters. I guess we can't all be wrong can we. There were four sides there that do a dance to Stan's The Idiot, although only two did their dance this weekend. All in all had a bloody great time. Plenty for everone, TVI for LTS lots of young fit bums there, or so I heard several of the ladies commenting. Even a few on other sides who would have interested Whippet, from his second posting. Anyone seen the Californian side who "sew" their bells on? Thanks for the general air of support, we have lots of fun doing it, glad that MOST others have fun watching. For the one's with bad knees, try Border or Molly (no galleys) JohnB |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Bernard Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:17 PM Live and let dance... |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Jane2001 Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:31 PM Liz, Sorry can't help you with dates. I've already gone into hibernation, but try ringing the Cumberland Arms in Newcastle. There'll probably be someone there who can put you on the right path. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Liz the Squeak Date: 04 Sep 01 - 03:44 PM Ah, Newcastle... bit out of my range for a day trip although I've done stranger things..... LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Guest - Whippet Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:31 AM Moi? a stirrer ? . So the quote isn't Beecham or Wilde well I can sleep contented having been informed by the mass of Morris Dancers-R-Us or should it be (Morris Dancers are Arses heh heh). I don't have a sad life. Brid Widder are you really a rottweiller or is that why you is a widder ? Any type of Folk Dancing dunt beat Line Dancing and I don't drink tea I already drink coffee. have a nice day. Oh by the way in response to the eloquent posting of John B who described me as a total Wanker, I am reminded that I can't be because I'm circumsized and you have to be ' Complete wanker' to be one. Touche Mr Pussycat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,lesgjones Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:40 AM Let me be a pain in the arse. Either Morris (and other alleged ritual dance) is just social dancing about and having a laugh, in which case lets leave it at that. Or, it is very old, possibly of pagan origin and has some probably ritual origin and purpose. This is the line put about by EFDSS, the Morris Ring, Dancing England and most Morris dancers when asked about it. In which case why do so many sides cheapen a possible ancient ritual dance by performing anywhere, anytime for anybody and often being very silly at the same time? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: KingBrilliant Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:47 AM Dog turds is crap. Morris isn't. Kristin |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:50 AM I think Guest Whippet (he started of the thread as member Whippet: could the new one be an impostor?... probably not, his punctuation is equally bad) really screwed up his closing joke. Surely the joke should be Q: Why can't a good Jewish boy be a Morris dancer? Guest Whippet demonstrates that it is possible to be circumcised and a complete wanker! |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:54 AM I can't see, legsjones (yes, I know), why it has to be either-or. Why not both (having ritual origins, enjoyed now for "social" reasons)? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: GUEST,Guest - Whippet Date: 05 Sep 01 - 08:59 AM I have joined Bald Eagle but I'm using an 'assumed' computer and oops I got the joke wrong soreee. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Ringer Date: 05 Sep 01 - 09:01 AM (...continued) I think the ritual bit from history has added a certain "Earth Magic" (I normally cringe at the phrase) je ne sais quoi to the activity. Modern practitioners can feel this, even if they can't analyse it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Green Man Date: 06 Sep 01 - 06:29 AM Bald Eagles quote 'I do it cos it makes me feel like a man', well I know a few 'Morris' dancers who are women. Some of them look like men, some drink like men and none of them felt like men when I was around.. Hmmmmm 15 Years with Wyre Fores.. a great side dying for lack of younger support. Morris is a tradition that is slowly being eroded by time. As for it's value it has provided me with friends, entertainment and a means to Show the goddess that we are still around.. ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: Trevor Date: 06 Sep 01 - 06:40 AM That last posting from Bald Eagle rings a bell with me (ho!ho!). Normally the mention of 'earth magicky' things turns me right off, but, I'll tell you, watching Shropshire Bedlam scares the sh.. out of me,and I'm never sure why. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I'nt Morris Dancin Crap From: flaj Date: 06 Sep 01 - 01:09 PM If any of you types with a positive attitude towards the dancing live with in 30 miles of Wakefield and fancy having a go at North West style Morris (clogs on the feet and shortish sticks or slings in the hands), it's the time of year when we let a small number of new recruits join us at Wakefield Morris and teach them how to dance. When recruits have 4 dances under their belts we kit them out with clogs and all the gear and take them out dancing with us. We've danced all over England and taken parties abroad to Germany and Ireland. If you're interested in having a go, drop me an Email to Chris_walker6@hotmail.com, or add a thread on here. Flaj |