Hundreds of old-time records on line

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:09 AM

I just re-visited the Honking Duck website to discover that since my previous visits it has grown a completely new visitor interface (That's a Re-Vamp). The same songs and tunes are there, but the way they are displayed has been updated.
Anyway, it is a while since this thread hit the top of the Forum, so Welcome Back! There are bound to be new members, or visitors who have missed the site.
Quack
Geoff the Duck (not-honking).....

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:34 AM

There seems to be a problem. I just tried to open a music file to discover the clicky now says SORRY and links to the following web address http://www.PetitionOnline.com/carp/petition.html. This seems to be connected to something I read a few days ago about Radio Web Broadcasts being under threat (probably a Mudcat Thread, but I cannot recall which or when).
Must sign off
Geoff the Duck (Not happy)

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: wysiwyg
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 08:41 AM

I'm in the site now...

Save these to disk!

~S~

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: DMcG
Date: 10 Apr 02 - 10:20 AM

Yep, I seem to be 'Sorry'-ed out of the site as well. That's the net for you - a wonderful resource appears and disappears before you even open the thread to read about it :-(

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:06 AM

I don't suppose there's anyone set up a mirror site in some place where the US authorities can't get at them.

Trying to enforce copyright rules on records issued in 1924!!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 09:25 AM

The Selfish Giant

"My own garden is my own garden," said the Giant; "any one can understand that, and I will allow nobody to play in it but myself." So he built a high wall all round it, and put up a notice-board: TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 11:49 AM

I tried the Internet Archive - See this thread for an explanation - which has the site from late January saved, but when I tried to follow the music links, I eventually hit a clicky back to the original site and the SORRY message.
I suspect that the Internet Archive might have cached the full Honking Duck site, but don't know how to get around the outside return link.
Geoff.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 12:03 PM

Blast!! I tried a couple of dozen pretty much at random, and all I got was "Sorry . . ." The is pretty sorry!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 01:31 PM

This site - The Record Lady is still working with streaming sound. Not really comparable, mostly far more recent, so you'd think much more likely to be stomped by the Gestapo. Maybe they just haven't got round to it yet.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:05 PM

I hope Jim don't mind my quoting him here, but having just checked out "Honking duck.com," I reckon he can 'splain it better than I can, so, sez he thusly:

"Details..."

"You may be wondering why you can't listen to these recordings anymore. When I first built this site I believed that these recordings were in the public domain. Now I've learned that although federal copyright law does NOT cover "Sound recordings fixed before February 15, 1972" (according to the U.S. Copyright Office in Copyright Information Circular Number 56), there could be State copyright laws covering some of these 78s. How do you find out where and when 700+ recordings were made? Is it the location of the recording session, or of the manufacturer that matters? How do you find out what State copyright laws were in effect in a given year? These questions are not impossible to answer, but who's got the time?

The 'Reissue...' links open a window where you can buy a reissue of the recordings of this artist. You can help me maintain and improve this site by buying something through these 'Reissue...' links."

-JGReidy

Now since I sort of specialize in "anitquarian" music, I try to pay attention to such things, and to the best of my recollection anything published or recorded up to 1922 is considered "ipso - facto" Public Domain. Did someone say this collection went up to 1925? If so, then he has about 5 years under the Giant's garden gate... and if the giant (or the Giant's Barrister on his behalf) stomps on those 5 little toes, it's gonna hurt all over! And like he says, it can be a bear establishing the exact date and juristiction a song was composed, published, recorded (first or last time?), especially if one has to do it in court. This is way too much to ask of a kind soul who's doing this on his own nickle.

I find it rather petty that some Scrooge would make such a fuss over someone making musical museum pieces available to the small fragment of the population who are actually interested in them; we're not talking NAPSTER, here; how much money can anyone possibly be "losing" by letting people download these crackley old relics for "free"?

Predatory, blood-sucking Lawyers, I suspect, are more likely behind this; The greater majority of them, IMHO, could care less about art or Justice; they are out for a quick and easy buck, and lacking that they enjoy jerking honest working folks around and forcing them to submit to their will. Ever wonder why most Politicians are Lawyers? I rest my case!

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:35 PM

Uncle Jocko: I do believe it's the end of the calendar year after 75 years, meaning it's now anything published in 1926 or earlier.

http://www.ncte.org/cccc/cccc-ip/pubdom.html

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 03:37 PM

But it's very strange. Look at this:

http://www.melodylane.net/graveyard.html

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 04:16 PM

I suppose it's another of these "only in America" things.

The enthusiasm and generosity of spirit that gets a site like that together in the first place is very characteristic of the USA Americans. (And the Mudcat is another example). And the cold-hearted legalistic avarice of the pennypinching moneygrubbers who closed it down like this is very characteristic as well.

Maybe you can't have one without the other. But it'd be great if you could.

I just hope someone is working on a way of getting over these barriers.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: GUEST,WeeWillie
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 04:24 PM

"Land without Song" starring the US SS Jackboot Bastards, They have closed down all my favourite Sites, well so much for the Net. Wee Willie

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 04:40 PM

Thanks for the update, "Guest"; leave it to me to be a few years behind the times!

95 years now!!?? GADZOOKS!!!
I guess I'd better stick with my Civil War stuff, and hope the likes of Herr Klinton (Those of you who have followed my political rantings well know where I stand on him and his ilk) don't make us lible to be stripped of our worldly posessions and thrown into the Hoosgow for walking down the street whistling a tune!
What did I tell you about "Politicians and Lawyers"? Both Bubba and Hillary are Lawyers, right... Oh; wait: BillyBob lost his licence to practice Law a while back, didn't he? As I recall, Sonny Bono (God Rest his Soul) was no big Rush Limbaugh/NRA Fan either. Given time, the Truth will usually out, it seems.

Subject: RE: Hundreds of old-time records on line
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 11 Apr 02 - 05:14 PM

There are two alternative futures for us with the internet technology and what it leads on to.

Thee's the one where all the wealth of ideas and music and culture of the whole world is wide open for us all to use it, and be rich in those kind of things beyond our dreams, wherever we live.

And there's the one where everything is sewn up tight and there's a price on everything we do, and systems for making us pay it - each time we read anything or listen to anything the recording gremlin notes it down and taps it into our account.

And then the information gathered is used to sell us stuff, and to control how we live in all kinds of minute ways masquerading as free. And in the long run, there won't be any public domain at all, and anybody even talking in those kinds of terms will be liable to be investigated as subversive.

We are either living in the dawn of freedom, or in its twilight days. And I'm starting to think it's not going to be the dawn unless people start doing something effective about stopping this kind of thing.