BS: Smokers in Europe?

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: michaelr
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 07:27 PM

I certainly recognize that, while the jury is still out on the health effects of second-hand smoke, it is a nuisance to those who don't like it.

That's what I said. Truncating the sentence and taking part of it out of context changes the intended statement. As to "delusion", I was referring to publicized claims of deaths from second-hand smoke inhalation, which indeed have not been proven.

I've been smoking for 30 years, and quitting for 15. It's hard, but I don't expect any sympathy.

And I'm sorry for committing the sin of thread creep. This is the second time in as many days I've been chastised for going off-topic -- I didn't realize that's such a big no-no!

Chairs,
Michael

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: Malachy
Date: 18 Dec 02 - 10:21 PM

Well I'm a smoker living in the UK. I abide by the rules..If I get on a bus or go to a cinema etc...thats non smoking, I wouldn't dream of lighting up! I notice that the younger generation pay no heed to the signs (I'm sounding like an old fogy now) No-one dares to confront them!
Sorcha..forget Italy..head for Spain..You can smoke anywhere you want there..no-one bats an eyelid!!! At least in Barcelona you can.
Mal

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 03:05 AM

Naemanson - have a look at the thread EuroGathering: GRONINGEN 2003. Would be fine if you could make it.
I wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year (sung).

Wilfried

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: JudeL
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 05:05 AM

As someone who suffers asthma I tend to be very aware of where people smoke as it restricts where I can go. In the UK most public transport is supposed to be non-smoking, although some people appear to believe that the rules don't include them. Most pubs and bars are very smoky, some places have high ceilings and good extraction systems but most don't, the idea of a non smoking area is good in theory but even where they are identified, because they are still part of a room which contains smokers the idea of a non smoking area is purely theoretical. The same can be said for most restaraunts although a few here and there are big enough to have non smoking areas that are far enough removed from the smoking areas that they do work. Most public buildings such as council offices and libraries are non smoking, as are the areas of cinemas where the films are actually shown (but often not the lobby or cafeteria areas). Please note I am not a health nazi it is simply that being exposed to smoke tends to trigger a severe asthma attack where I am struggling to breathe and it's often still affecting me days later. The jury may be out as far as some people are concerned about the effects of secondary smoking - I know it's immediate and very obvious effects on my personal health.

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: *daylia*
Date: 20 Dec 02 - 09:47 AM

I'm guessing that when smokers light up, 90% of the smoke is released into the air, between puffs - and only about 10% is taken into the lungs of the smoker. Who really needs scientific proof that 2nd-hand smoke is dangerous to people's health - and that includes the smokers themselves? Is it not proof enough that it makes cough, your eyes water, your nose and throat burn? Aren't those the body's first 'warning signals'?

Who among us would sit in an enclosed space with a smoky campfire burning and then argue about whether breathing that smoke all day long was good for you? Duhhhhh...

I'm looking forward to the day when everyone who chooses to use tobacco does so with proper care and respect for (1)themselves; (2)the plant and all of it's effects on human biology - including the mind and emotion; (3) the FIRE which burns it, and (4) everyone else's need to breathe fresh air. If all that were so, imo there'd be no health risks from smoking.

daylia

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: BusbitterfraeScotland
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 12:53 AM

My parents used to smoke, until they found out that their smoking made my asthma worse and then they stopped smoking.
My mum was the first and then my dad.
They didn't stop smoking by smoking less and less cigarettes the only way to do it is to stop smoking at once and say I won't have any more.
However if you want to keep smoking then go ahead it's your life.

Subject: RE: BS: Smokers in Europe?
From: *daylia*
Date: 21 Dec 02 - 10:16 AM

Yeah. It's my death, too. And I refuse to spread THAT around.

daylia