BS: Bush's Opium War

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 01:42 AM

Yeah. I find extreme Christians and extreme Satanists equally scary. Their thinking leads in the same catastrophic direction...like two runaway trains heading for a collision at ground zero. They both expect to "inherit" the Earth, but neither shall, because neither is "meek" (meaning "not arrogant and full of themselves").

This Skull & Bones Society....haven't heard of that before. If it's true, and the Bushes are in league with what they term "Satan"...well, that gives me hope.

Because, if it is that way, then I KNOW they will not win in the end.

If it's not true, then I don't have to worry about it.

Either way, this looks promising to me... :-)

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:03 PM

www.google.com

Type in combinations of Skull & Bones, Bushes, Illuminati, etc. Even the Democratic wannabe Kerry is Skull and Bones.

The Bushes are NOT Christian. They dedicate their sons to Satan. I don't know any Christians who do that. Look up the Skull and Bones society and remember that GWBush is one of those sick puppies. And they believe Satan WILL win in the confrontation with God. They believe it. They have their own Apocrypha and various 'ancient books' which make Jesus out to be the bad guy. GWBush prays to Satan, folks.

I've studied the Bush family far longer than I care to, and I've learned 2 things:

1) GWBush has one standard bargaining move. He puts the insane and despicable up as his opening offer, then he settles for the merely outrageous. You want a clean table, he throws a cow flop on it. You debate for a while, then he removes half of the turd, but you still have that thing on the table. That's what he's doing with his new 'tax cut package'. Most of it is cuts in taxes on corporate stock dividends. Most people thought he would propose a 50% cut, but he proposed 100%. He's proposing to eliminate them. So now, after the bargaining is done, a 'compromise' of 50% will be reached. I watched it for 6 years in Texas. Same move over and over.

2) Everything GWBush says is 180 degrees opposite of what he means. He doesn't just divert your attention a LITTLE off the mark, he mis-directs you completely the other way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not giving him credit for his ability to divert or even to negotiatate (Karl Rove does his thinking for him), but whatever comes out of GWBush's mouth, just think opposite and you will know what he really means. And apply this to his statements about being a Christian. The Bushes are not Christian. The patriarchs of the family belong to the Skull and Bones Society. Look up the history of that organization, and you will understand why the folks who belong to it can't be Christian.

That's 'How to Understand GWBush in two simple Steps'.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 12:52 PM

Okay. I'll check it out.

You know, anyone can believe in anything they want to. That's what's so amazing about people, and it can make them dangerous, depending.

Darkness is a nothingness. It's a not-thing. Imagine the elephant's shadow deciding that it is going to destroy the elephant. It's like that. Imagine a room full of darkness, and the darkness is sitting there thinking "How mighty I am! How I obscure and hide things! How I terrorize those who cannot see because of me! How I have them in my absolute power!"

Then turn on a single light...and where is the darkness? It never truly was...it only appeared to have substantial existence. It's a lack of anything real. Light IS real. It's a powerful form of energy waves (or particles, depending on how you observe it) and it's REAL. That light is analogous to the visible force and presence of God.

People who get together in mysterious orders to "destroy God's Creation" are like the shadow deciding to destroy the elephant that cast it (and without whom it would not exist at all). They are caught up in a really pitiable illusion of their own grandeur.

That doesn't mean, though, that they can't hurt a great many people and do a great deal of damage in the process...because most people consciously live in Shadowland (believing it is All There Is), and are therefore quite vulnerable...on the human level.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 01:13 PM

It seems appropriate you use the example of light and dark and shadow. The people who are the most dangerous to our existence right now have only one thing to fear...exposure. The light of day. And it's almost as if people are hypnotized, because ALL THE PROOF IS OUT THERE. At our fingertips. And wasn't that one of the catch-lines of the X-Files?...'the truth is out there?' If so, it would be yet another calling-card the Illuminati / Skull & Bones crowd likes to leave behind.

Last Sept. 11, one year after 9-11, the New York State Lottery (the pick 3?) came up 9-1-1. Had never happened before in New York, and it just happened to come on the one year anniversary of 9-11. IN NEW YORK. On the same day, the Chicago Mercantile closed at 911.0000etc. Infinite zeroes. An impossibility. It had never closed at 911 point ANYTHING before, yet it did on the anniversary of 9-11. These are the kinds of 'calling cards' the global banking cartel responsible for Sept. 11 likes to leave. They like to rub our faces in it. A hundred years from now they plan to joke that we were the generation too dumb to see the obvious. That's the plan, at least. But a handful of kids with laptop computers in Tienamen Square set those scum back ten years in their timetable, and that's why we're seeing frantic activity now from the globalists. And that's good, because panic breeds mistakes. I think light will eventually expose them. Then there will be a bit of shooting, then we can get back to our normal lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:21 PM

Little Hawk, GET BACK FROM THE EDGE... NOW! Some of these folks are serious wackoids and you need a breath of fresh air...

You may indeed have some negative opinions about the Bush family...

But "Dedicated to Satan"?

Remember that having a rational discussion is predicated on both of the participants being rational.

Now visualize driving across country with GUEST...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 08:37 PM

Claymore, I never DECIDE instantly about anything important. Relax. Nor do I instantly DISCOUNT anything that might be important, just because it is outside the comfortable norms that I am accustomed to.

I have formed no final opinion about Mr Bush, just a certain degree of very strong suspicion. I will continue to consider information as it becomes available. I do think that the Bush administration is behaving in a truly bizarre way, both nationally and internationally, but I'm also aware...that there is much about it I don't know at this point.

In the meantime, I'm as harmless as I ever was.

This GUEST doesn't scare me a bit. I'm curious about what he has to say, and I will give it full consideration. Why should I fear his opinions about anything?

As he said, the only thing evildoers have to fear is the light...the light that illumines what they are up to for everyone to see.

"Dedicated to Satan"? Well, whether or not one believes in Satan in the first place, it is certainly true that some people do...and that belief makes those people very dangerous. It also endows them with a strong sense of destructive purpose, generally speaking, which makes them even more dangerous. Even if there IS no Satan (which is what I generally tend to think) one has to watch out for people who believe in him. I speak from some small experience on that.

So...keep watching for what is true in your way, and I'll keep watching in mine. We both believe in freedom and justice, that is for sure. We both believe in the ideals contained in the US Constitution, I expect, don't we? Maintaining it requires vigilance...patience...and caution not to jump to hasty conclusions or to be so afraid of something "unheard of" as to prejudge it on the spot.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 12:06 AM

Hey, some satanists justify what they do as 'good'. Satan's name before he was cast out was 'Lucifer'. 'Light' is the translation of that, I think. Some satanists believe that Satan is good. He was the angel of Light and was unfairly cast out of heaven. They believe the God that cast him out is the evil one, and they are doing good by serving Lucifer instead of God and Jesus, etc.

So, by creating hell on earth, they would be doing good. I personally can't relate to such a concept, but you could see that in a world of opposites, Luciferians could justify their wickedness.

GWBush is undeniably wicked. I watched him as Governor of TX for 6 years, and he's as bad as they come. He got 'tort reform' passed here, and now it's going nationwide. You die in a firey Pinto accident after tort reform is passed, your family can only sue to whatever arbitrary cap Ford pays congress to set on 'damages'. And that's wicked. If Ford KNOWINGLY produced the car expecting people to die, and factored in the cost of lawsuits, they should be run out of business. Instead, with 'tort reform', GWBush will limit the family survivors' claims to five thousand bucks or so. GWBush flaps his lips about 'free market capitalism', but he protects big business with artificial price caps on lawsuits. And that's just one of hundreds of issues where he shows his true self. He's certainly not a free-market capitalist, he's not Christian, and he's not even decent. He's the OPPOSITE of all those things. I'm 90% sure he's a satanist.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 01:50 PM

My impression is that virtually everybody justifies what they do as "good", according to how they see it at the time. That's why the vital thing about people is this: what are their core beliefs about life and about themselves?

It's true too that there are some people who have become convinced that they are "bad" inside, but those are seldom the people who become great oppressors in this world...they are more often the depressed, the delinquent child, the drug addict, the minor lawbreaker, the suicide, the people in a downward spiral of increasing powerlessness and self-destruction.

The people to really watch out for are those in positions of great power who are SURE they are right, dead right, and are willing to kill any number of other people to set the world "right" by their definition. My impression is that Mr Bush is one of those people. Such people are also often quite busy "righting" what they perceive as a great wrong...by whatever ruthless means possible...and their main means of controlling the public is along those same lines. They tell people that they are defending them and righting a wrong.

The real truth is that they are endangering people and committing a great wrong. What they do is the exact opposite of what they say. They are people of the Lie, and they need scapegoats upon whom to focus blame, fear, and hatred.

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 02:37 PM

Most people who believe that God was in the wrong, and worship Lucifer by that name, do not act in the fashion which you ascribe to Satanists. If someone genuinely believes that Lucifer was justified in refusing to obey God, they must also believe in free speech and civil disobedience for humans, which Bush appears not to. If Bush is a Satanist, it is much more along the lines of Crowley: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." Either he is convinced that he is right, as LH asserts, or he just doesn't care.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 03 - 03:17 PM

Good points.

I'm not up to the finer points of difference between Satanists and Luciferians. Yeah, maybe GW is just a half-hearted Luciferian. I just know he's not a Christian. His old man started grooming him for higher office by expunging drug arrests and DWI's and AWOLs, then GW had a 'spiritual awakening' while walking on the beach with Billy Graham...come on, that's so Hollywood it reeks, but Billy Graham is supposed to be beyond reproach, so they used him to back up the conversion nonsense.

GW works out and takes naps and reads the speeches handed to him. And he pays back his supporters. I think his old man (who killed 3 million Central Americans in order to get his Cocaine Cartel established in the U.S.) is TRULY evil, and there's a chance GW is just following the marching orders handed to him by his dad. GW DOESN'T believe in the Christian stuff, as you will soon see when the TRUE Christians bring up anti-abortion legislation. Bush won't sign it. And he promised he would...as a Christian. So, he's NOT Christian, which means he doesn't believe fervently in what he's doing, so that would leave 'just doesn't care'. I could buy that. His goal in life is to become baseball Commissioner. But he sure comports himself in a way consistent with anti-Christian beliefs. All I know for sure is he's wicked, and his old man is even worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 12:28 AM

He isn't a BELIEVING Christian, but then most people, even the ones who genuinely believe in the truth of the Bible, don't practice everything it demands. His religious beliefs really don't have much bearing on the situation. I will agree that he is either wicked, or just stupid and very petty.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 01:47 PM

Yeah, but if you truly believe in what Jesus taught by the example of his own life and conduct then you CAN'T believe certain other things in the Bible! :-) Unless you're either dead stupid or insane...

- LH

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Troll
Date: 10 Jan 03 - 11:23 PM

As I recall, "Skull and Bones" is the name of a dining club at Harvard. It is considered an honor to be asked to join _you can't put yourself up for membership- and the iniation rituals are highly secretive. It's rather like a coledge fraternity but a bit more exclusive. There's only ONE "Skull and Bones" and that's at Harvard.
There have been men from all walks of life and of every political persuasion in Skull and Bones but I'm not surprised to see them brought up as a figure of incipient world domination. I just think that the Bilderbergs and the Gnomes of Zurich are going to be miffed at not being mentioned.
And after all their tireless work too.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Bush Paying off Terrorists, on Cipro 9-11
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jan 03 - 11:47 PM

(The people in the American government and intelligence community who assisted the terrorists on Sept. 11 are being promoted and given bonuses. Marion Bowman refused to let good field agents apply existing law to look at the hard drive. Bowman is directly responsible for letting Bush and Eberhart carry out the attacks...and now he gets a bonus of our tax money. For murdering innocents. I truly hope Grassley is as steamed as he sounds...I hope this isn't just another diversion):

FBI Director Robert S. Mueller III has been asked by a senior member of the Senate Judiciary Committee to justify an award he gave to an FBI official who refused requests by Minneapolis agents for a warrant to search the computer of terror suspect Zacarias Moussaoui.

Sen. Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Republican, described as "shocking" Mr. Mueller's decision to give the Presidential Rank of Meritorious Service award to Marion "Spike" Bowman, head of the FBI's national security law unit.

"By granting this award and a monetary bonus, you are sending the wrong signal to those agents who fought — sometimes against senior FBI bureaucrats at headquarters — to prevent the [September 11] attacks," Mr. Grassley said in a letter Thursday to Mr. Mueller....

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030111-10797061.htm

(Bush went on the antibiotic Cipro on Sept. 11. WEEKS before the 'anthrax attack'. Not only did he have prior knowledge the plane attacks were coming, he had prior knowledge the anthrax attacks were coming. Clinton was impeached over a blowjob, people. We have a slam-dunk case for mass murder of Americans against GWBush. And these stories are just the couple new ones I came across today. There are thousands of stories about government involvement in Sept. 11 and the anthrax 'attack' out there):

Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government abuse and corruption, said today that the Bush administration has failed to provide a complete and accurate response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request concerning the decision to place White House staff on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic, Cipro, the same day as the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/2953.shtml

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Claymore
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 08:17 PM

There's not enough Prozac in this world... time for the Thorazin dart, and shoot low, this guy is loping...

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Jan 03 - 08:46 PM

Little Hawk:

Yeah, gotta agree with you that there exists a vast divide between the teachings of Jesus and many of the lessons of the Old Testament.

I kinda like to think of Jesus as a *mid-course* correction.

This is where I part company with many fundementalists who spend way to much time in the Old Testament trying to find justifications for their need to control others.

To me the cornerstone of Christianity is "forgiveness", not revenge!

I heard Mr. Bush tonight on the news talking like a rabbied dog about Saddam. Rather than sit down with Saddam like Jesus would have *certainly* done, Bush is going to kill him. Make no bones about it. Bush wants to kill him! Where's the lesson's of Jesus in this? No where, that's where! Bush is no more a follower of Christ than I am a computer wizzard....

And just to bring this thread back on course. Bush certainly knows about drugs. Word on the street that he used to do more than just a little coke. But this is somewhat of a side bar....

And BTW, God don't throw too many blessings at heathens, if any...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: GUEST,Forum Lurker
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 12:46 AM

The cornerstone of Jesus's teachings is forgiveness. The cornerstone of almost all later theology is sin. They are two sides of the same coin, but most people prefer to dwell on the negative.

Who exactly counts as a heathen these days, compared to heretics? And how exactly does it relate to this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush's Opium War
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 03 - 10:39 AM

Like I said, GUEST, Forum Lurker, "this is somewhat of a side bar". But since you asked, the heathens far outweigh the heretics as it is not as popular to denounce the existence of God. The heathens, on the other hand, may actually say the believe because it is politically correct but their actions say otherwise.

End of Bobert's "thread drift".

Peace

Bobert