Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 11:47 PM

There are plenty of people who eat lots of junk food and never put on weight. I have met some of them, and I was married to one - two years younger than me, skinny as a rake and would only eat food that had plenty of fat or sugar, despite my efforts to cook nice meals for him. He also smoked like a chimney. He is still skinny, but has had several heart attacks, a triple bypass, and several mini-strokes. After the triple bypass he finally gave up smoking.

On the other hand, I am overweight - all my family was, and lived into their 80's and 90's - and I have never had a serious illness at the age of 58. I would like to be fitter, but basically I am healthy.

If you were to see him or me on the street, you would think that he was the smart slim healthy one and I was the fat lazy unhealthy one, but you would be wrong. So maybe when you are making your judgments, you should remember that things are not always what they seem.

Jenny

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:03 AM

Blackcatter, I'm not trying to pick a fight, truly. My point is simply in response to your saying that you don't have anything against "genetically obese" people but "It's the fat, lazy junk-food people I don't like." My question was are you sure you can always tell the difference. There may be times when you think you're in the presence of one of those fat, lazy junk-food people when it is not. As JennyO pointed out, things are rarely as simple as they seem.

And just like my bus driver, it is not easy to keep one's judgments to oneself.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 06:13 AM

My name is Johnny. I'm a fat person. I eat too much, and I like unhealthy food. I'm 5' 7" tall and 17 stone. In the 41 years of my working life I've taken 10 days off work through sickness, five of them in one go when I had Flu - everyone else in my office who caught it took between 10 and 15 days off, I took 5). I reckon that's a good score - many of my skinny colleagues take as many days off in one year as I've taken in my entire working life. Apart from five months when I was unemployed because I was made redundant, I've worked continuously for those 41 years and paid my taxes and NICs. I've also been a semi-pro musician for all that time and paid my taxes from those earnings. On top of my full-time job, I was a Youth-Worker for twelve years, giving up three evenings a week plus numerous weekends to work with disadvantaged kids, helping them through the crap that life had dealt them, giving them a view of a better way and, hopefully, giving them the benefit of my life-experience to help them with theirs. I've had two kids of my own who are now in their twenties and making their way in the world.

My name is Johnny. I'm a fat person. I eat too much, and I like unhealthy food. I'm 5' 7" tall and 17 stone. And because of this, Blackcatter believes I'm a worthless person, a figure to be hated. Blackcatter, you're a total prick.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 06:30 AM

Strollin' Johnny. John, in recent years I have met some first class people..and put you in that category. I care not for your size or your background or how you have fared at work or whether you have paid your taxes etc etc. I enjoy your company, your humour and your overall persona..I also enjoy greatly your musical talent. What more can I say. Anyone who puts a downer on you for your size could not know you the person. Be Blessed.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 11:51 AM

Whatever.

I clearly stated that I don't go around making judgements about whether a person is someone I would dislike if I got to know them or not. This has nothing to do with that so you are all missing my point. When meeting people I treat them equally, as if they might be my next close friend. I don't care what they've got going inside. They could be a mass murderer for all I know, or one of the nicest persons on Earth. It doesn't matter to me, I treat them equally.

If you are a person who has health problems because you engage in a voluntary activity, whether it's unsafe driving, smoking tobacco, eating bad food, whatever, and because of that either my insurance rates or the part of my taxes that goes to social security/medicaid are increased, I dislike you. Because you have CHOSEN to not take care of yourself, it is costing me money, just like unsafe drivers endanger my life.

If you don't like that, fine. I don't live my life to make sure to get approval from people.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 12:46 PM

Hating is bad for your health. People who suffer poor health because they are bitter and angry push up health costs, too. We all have our stupid failings. Me included (in case you're wondering.) Over-eating and smoking don't happen to be my weaknesses. Or temptations.
I don't take any pride on resisting something that isn't a temptation.

Jerry (appropriate weight and BLESSED with good health that I take no credit for.)

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 01:08 PM

You are Blessed Jerry.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 02:55 PM

Georgiansilver said

Someone under the guise of "GUEST" is trying to start a rumour that I am in fact Martin Gibson.

Your only mistake here is paying attention to the negative post of someone under the guise of GUEST. When someone wants to communicate, they identify themselves. When they want to snipe the don't. Why give attention to someone who is only posting to find fault?

I enjoy your posts and your positive attitude. Keep up the good work.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 03:59 PM

Blackcatter - I quote your exact words - "The problem with obesity is that it doesn't kill stupid people quickly enough", and "It's the fat, lazy junk-food people I don't like".

I'm obese, but I'd hoped you'd realised from my post that I'm neither unhealthy nor lazy. I work on average 55 hours per week. I pay for private health-care rather than relying on state care. I'm an accountant and well educated. I don't smoke, and drink very moderately - maybe three or four beers a week. I've never used illegal drugs, not even cannabis. I live within the law, my only brush with the law was a speeding ticket for doing 47 in a 40 limit whilst following an off-duty police officer. I loved my (sadly deceased) mother and father. I love my kids. I love my wife and am faithful to her. I make monthly donations direct from my salary to four charities. I played soccer until I was in my early thirties, I was a competitive rower until I was 40 and I played league squash in three leagues until my late 40's. I cycle. I go hill-walking, maybe covering 12 miles and 1,000 feet of ascent in a five-hour outing (not too many mountains in Lincolnshire). My resting pulse is, according to my physician, as it should be for a person of my age (57).

I told you in my first post the number of days I've been sick in the past 41 years. How many days have you been sick in that period?

I'm overweight. You're an intolerant prick. I know which one I'd rather be.

And I don't need your approval either.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:18 PM

Given the choice, I'd take overweight, any day, Johnny.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:33 PM

Blackcatter, I guess we can't blame you for disliking those people who chose to drive up your health costs because of their unhealthy habits. I'm glad to know that you are so without fault that you feel free to make such a judgement. You make no unhealthy choices? None at all? Please tell us your secrets of success so that we may bask in the enlightenment.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:33 PM

Thanks Jerry, I appreciate your fairness and tolerance.

Sorry to everyone (other than Blackcatter of course) for getting on my high horse there. I'm intelligent enough to know that being overweight isn't good for me, but I strongly resent someone who's never met me making a public statement that, because I'm overweight, I'm stupid and lazy and, even worse, using that one fact as a reason to hate me for God's sake! Isn't there already enough hate in the world without this kind of bigoted horse shit?

J :0)

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:46 PM

JTS - eloquently put. I wish I'd written that. Unfortunately I allowed myself the luxury of permitting the Red Mist to come down. :0)

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 04:52 PM

And of course my ire was on behalf of not only myself, but all stupid fat lazy bastards the world over.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:05 PM

Got nothing to do with fairness or tolerance, Johnny. I'd hate to thank that we need to be "Tolerant" of folks carrying a stone or two too many. I've carried a stone or two too many myself, in my day. I was forced to put them down, for health reasons, or I'd probably still be lugging them around. I haven't noticed that I'm any better as a person, though.

Jerry

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 05:09 PM

You seem to be a good person to me Jerry, I wish you all the best.
John :0)

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 01:41 AM

"The problem with obesity is that it doesn't kill stupid people quickly enough", and "It's the fat, lazy junk-food people I don't like".


I still stand by both these remarks.

The first: let me clarify, if you have a medical condition that is casuing you to be over-weight, my heart goes out to you for that illness or condition. If you read the post where I mention my best friend you'll realize I understand that. If your medical problems stem from just the fact that you eat too much and don't get enough exercize then you are not only hurting yourself, you are potentially hurting others. If you don't understand that, I'm sorry. There are any number of health studies that show just how dangerous it is to be over-weight and inactive. I tend to dislike people who take their personal well-being so lightly. I've got friends ho are working through major and minor health problems that are beyond their direct control. I'd rather spend my time with them, helping them get better. I said "stupid people" simply because people who take their personal well-being so lightly are going ignoring the basic instinct to survive, and that is just plain stupid.

The second: I've not said that anyone on this list is fat, lazy (or stupid). If you take my statements as personal attacks, that's your karma, not mine. I have said that I do not judge people upon appearance. And frankly, I don't judge people all that often. I believe that there are people out there who are fat merely because they eat too much and don't exercise. Medical science backs me up.    I don't personally know any of them, as far as I know, but just because I don't know any doesn't mean they don't exist. If you cannot admit there are fat lazy stupid people out there, then I believe you have blinders on.

I have no plans to defend how healthy I am. I am not taking the stand that I am better than anyone else on this list. I am healthier than many obese people, but there may be others who are healthier that I.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 02:43 AM

Well, blackcatter, do you drive? If so, you know, you are taking a risk that you will crash and die, and then not only will our tax money go to pay the ambulance, but our insurance premiums will go up.

Can't you see that you're just being a flaming asshole when you say you think people should die faster?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 02:52 AM

Some guts posting as a GUEST.

And who's attacking whom?


By the way - I ride a bike, and guess what, I hate stupid people who don't pay attention to the rules of the road and put my and everyone elses life in danger.

You gonna take that personally too?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 03:02 AM

Sorry, BC, but you gotta admit you endanger yourself by riding a bike on the road. And that could conceivably cost society money. So you're a goddamn hypocrite.

BTW, I don't take any of it personally cos I ain't obese. I just call 'em like I see 'em, which is:

You're an asshole.

By the way, some guts posting as blackcatter, a pseudonym as anonymous as GUEST.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 03:09 AM

Yep, but you're still the one who has gone to the gutter with a personal attack.

Pity.


Read the hundreds of posts I've posted here since 1999 (early ones are under Blackcat, or Blackcat1). I stand by what I say and through my posts you'll get an idea of who I am, where I live, how I live, and the rest.

Next time you're in Orlando, take one of my tours. I'll let you take it for free, and I'll even treat you like a nice person regardless of whether you deserve to be or not.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 03:54 AM

No, YOU were the one who attacked when you said people should DIE because you disapprove of their eating habits. It's not personal, of course, because you claim you don't know any of these people.

Sort of like the bigot who says all black folks should die because I don't approve of their work ethic. But it's not a PERSONAL attack, so that makes it okay.

I'll go on tour with you as eagerly as I'd let a starved gibbon feast on my bollocks. (And in case you don't get it, that's not very eagerly, BC)

By the way, I take your "Yep" to be an acknowledgement that you are indeed an asshole.   Good that we agree on SOMETHING.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 01:11 PM

This is amazing--now all we need is a word from "Martin Gibson". Come on, " Martin", don't you have something pithy --(there's no "s" in that word, Martin)-- to say?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 01:26 PM

Guest, you endanger yourself everytime you successfully give yourself a blowjob.

Guest, you are obviously really fat, which is why it is amazing you CAN give yourself a blow job. BlackCatter may be just a name, but Guest just makes you a worthless cowardly "it."

You smell rank, Guest. Real bad body odor. Real bad.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 02:12 PM

Ah, Martin has arisen. Gee, Martin, I was hoping for something different. Is "gutter" really the only language you speak?

But after all, it is at least partly your thread--it even says so in the title.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 05:45 PM

No, gutter is not all I speak.

Just when so inclined to do so. Or to give some a cheap thrill, here.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 05:47 PM

I like a cheap thrill.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 05:52 PM

Picture Queen Elizabeth naked bending over.

That will be ten cents, please.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 06:17 PM

Here's a quarter. Keep the change.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 06:57 PM

Queen Elizabeth I or Queen Elizabeth II?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:15 PM

Maybe it's a twofer

What's wrong Brucie, swearing off sheep?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Peace
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 08:27 PM

Sheep, NEVER. Goats only. Do you think me a commoner? A village ne'er-do-well? A tartuffle? No sirrah, goats only. But for shear (little pun there) ecstacsy, a melon at room temperature.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 25 Jul 04 - 09:08 PM

In what hole do you put the melon?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 01:59 AM

Wherever it fits....

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 02:15 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 03:47 AM

Brucie - how do you get Marty to stay still long enough?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 03:56 AM

jacqui.c..... Please give Brucie credit for his policy of personal non-pollution. Be Blessed.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 04:11 AM

GS - I do, I'm just in awe at his abilities!

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 04:47 AM

if youve never been here, you do you know the chips are crap?
[there not anyway, so just shut up].

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:25 AM

I've been to the UK

The chips ain't crap, except in McDonalds.

What was really nice were the hot dogs in the little stand right on the Scottish border. They were about 3 inches long so they put 2 i each bun. Very nice and I'm sure the sheeps hanging about appreciated that they were beef/pork.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Bagpuss
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:27 AM

Fatter chips might have less fat in them than skinny fries, but if you have crinkle cut chips, it makes up for that!

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:44 AM

Oh, this is MG who is actually PROUD that he hides his identity with a fake name, calling someone else a worthless cowardly "it." Be fucked, my good man. And speaking of self-fellatio, I'm surprised you can say anything with your dick in your mouth. Blackcatter may be an asshole, but you're the turd.

Oh and I'm not fat, thank you very much, and I'm using very good deodorant. Sniff....aaaaahhhhh!

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: GUEST,Blackcatter
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 04:38 PM

There goes GUEST again, sniffing her crotch. How many sticks of deoderant to you "gently" insert?

Neithe Martin or I or most of the numerous long-time member/posters here at Mudcat are hardly hiding. Everyone else knows us pretty well and most of us have met with fellow 'Catters several times face to face. I myself have take two on walking tour of Orlando while they were vacationing and have met others at music festivals.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Peace
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 04:54 PM

Martin is my friend. So too are Blackcatter and Georgiansilver. I have had tiffs with lotsa people. However, they all know it's wise to be friendly with me because I know more about goats than anyone on the 'cat. Even Scottish people. Someday, they may need my advice, and they would be angry with themselves if they couldn't call upon me to share my expertise. So, let's all be nice. I ain't gonna tell you again. In fact, I am warning all of you: settle down or the goat gets it! Speaking of which . . . later. Duty calls.




I'll be right there, Esmerelda.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 05:03 PM

Goat. Esmerelda.

Brucie, do I detect a literary reference?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 05:44 PM

Cooking a goat for me would be nice. Gonna marinate it with some of Mudcat's Own Jerk Sauce?

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 07:37 PM

Brings new meaning to the expression "getting my goat". Made me feel quite sheepish. Baaaaa Blessed.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 10:41 PM

I love how I brought the best out in the Guest!

You need very good deodorant, bitch, your box is so rancid and diseased with gonnhrea, syphillis, and the gizzum of a rhinoceros who mounted you oh so easily.

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:06 PM

Well Done GS! And some have been trying to suggest that you do not have a sense of humour...

Subject: RE: Georgiansilver/Martin Gibson
From: GUEST,mmmmuwwwaaaaaaaa!
Date: 26 Jul 04 - 11:22 PM

Martin Gibson my ass! Lepus Rex lives on! You may have fooled the rest of these folks, Will, but you haven't fooled me!