BS: Colin Powell supports Obama

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:19 PM

I think so. That's one major thing they did to themselves. They tore McCain down in their zeal and arrogance.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:38 PM

News today was that McCain wanted Leiberman, but he was advised that he would lose unless he chose Palin.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:41 PM

I lost all respect for Colin Powell because of that speech before the UN. As far as I was concerned, he had sold his soul.

However, his little speech on Meet the Press went a long way toward redeeming him in my eyes. He's not all the way there yet, but it helped a lot.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:43 PM

To paraphrase my cousin Vinny: "We're trew wit dose guys!"

Free at last!

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:47 PM

I stood up in my seat (big mistake, was driving through NH at the time) and cheered when Powell said that McCain's response to the woman who claimed that Obama is an arab was wrong. Powell said he should not have simply said "no he's a christian", but instead "why does that matter". I agree CarolC - I've been nursing a Powell grudge, but that statement alone lifted him way up in his self-dug hole. Way up.

And isn't it funny that Powell, the very figure of truth and virtue when he addressed the UN in 2003, is now being called a misguided racist by the people who championed his unquestionable integrity back then.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 10:48 PM

IF he had chosen Lieberman, I would have cheered...that would have been almost as bad a choice as Palin turned out to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:05 PM

"I lost all respect for Colin Powell because of that speech before the UN."

I agree.

did he ever apologize or redeem himself publicly for this?


biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:06 PM

DougR, I am really shocked and disappointed at your racist posting. I really held you in a better light than that; sadly, that is not to be, any more. I realise this is just cyberspace, but I will no longer consider you a friend, though it saddens me.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:10 PM

Kat - don't blame DougR...I do not think he is actually racist. He is simply parroting what Limbaugh said today without thinking about it. Puppet yes. Racist no.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:12 PM

Oh yes, and biLL: Powell never explicitly apologized, but he did say that his UN appearance was the event in his life that he most regrets, and that he later felt used. That is almost (almost) enough for me. Almost.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:23 PM

yeah ... almost ... almost.

The only excuse I can think of ... is maybe the Bush/Cheney machine threatened him if he did open his mouth.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:24 PM

Now that the most prominent military figure of our era - also a lifelong Republican, also George W. Bush's first Secretary of State, also a friend of John McCain's for 25 years - has publicly endorsed Barack Obama, it will be fascinating to behold the McCain surrogates and under-the-radar whisperers as they try to spin this one away. Maybe we'll get variations of these:

1. Colin Powell has no credibility anymore, ever since he lied at the United Nations.

2. Colin Powell, a longtime moderate and supporter of abortion, has never been a real Republican anyway.

3. Colin Powell lives in McLean, Virginia, and we all know that Northern Virginia is not the "real" Virginia.

4. ACORN put him up to it.

5. Black people always stick together.

6. We've still got Joe the Plumber.

But seriously folks...when I saw the Powell endorsement this morning, on Meet the Press, I was reminded of something that Indiana Republican Sen. Dick Lugar said about Powell way back in 1995, when it appeared that the retired general might seek the '96 GOP presidential nomination. Lugar said that if Powell ran, it would be akin to "the displacement of water that comes if you drop a skyscraper into the harbor." Obviously, no endorsement can be considered that weighty - but, as endorsements go, Powell's formal vetting of Obama ("the president that we need now") is potentially quite consequential. The symbolism alone makes it so.

First, Powell is one of the most popular public figures in America - viewed favorably by 76 percent of voters, according to an August poll by Fox News, so his opinion matters. Second, his military and foreign views command wide respect; indeed, the "Powell doctrine" (America should go to war only when it can fight with overwhelming force, with strong popular support, and with an exit strategy) is viewed as the antithesis of the Bush-Cheney cowboy credo. Third, Powell is particularly popular among military retirees - who also happen to be particularly populous in three red states where Obama is strongly competitive (Florida, Virginia, North Carolina.

Powell essentially signaled that Obama, despite his inexperience, trumps McCain on judgment. He signaled that Obama has a better take on how America should conduct its foreign policy, and that McCain's approach is too closely tied to the Bush administration (despite McCain's insistence these days that he is not Bush redux). Powell also signaled that, as a career military man, he is nevertheless more comfortable with Obama at the helm of national security policy - because McCain would "continue, basically, the policies we have been following in recent years."

Powell did not personally assail McCain today, except by implication. By lauding Obama's "steadiness...intellectual curiousity...depth of knowledge...intellectual vigor," he strongly suggested that McCain lacks those crucial attributes. But he minced no words while talking about the McCain campaign, and the Republican party itself. He said that, while Obama is busy reaching out, the GOP and the McCain campaign have become "narrower and narrower." He said that Obama is "crossing ethnic lines, racial lines, generational lines. He's thinking about, 'all villages have values, all towns have values' - not just 'small towns have values'."

That latter reference was one of several swipes at Sarah Palin, whom he deems unqualified for higher office - and whose presence on the ticket "raised some question, in my mind, as to the judgment that Sen. McCain made." He twice assailed the GOP's obsession with ex-'60s bomber Bill Ayres ("why do we have these robocalls going out around the country?...it's demagoguery"), and he denounced the lies being spread "by members of the party" about how Obama is supposedly a Muslim. All told, Powell said that "we've got to stop polarizing ourselves in this way."

Moreover, he contended that the party's "further rightward shift" - which is best epitomized by McCain's choice of Palin - could adversely impact the future of American jurisprudence. Or, as he put it, "I would have difficulty with two more conservative appointees to the Supreme Court, but that's what we'd be looking at in a McCain administration." Powell, the longtime defender of abortion rights, appeared to be aiming that message at suburban white women, notably the moderates and Republicans who might still be on the fence, and who perhaps need to be reminded about the perilous status of Roe v. Wade.

This endorsement will dominate the news cycle for a day or two, and there are precious few days remaining. I instinctively recoil from uttering certitudes, so I won't make the case that the Powell validation constitutes game, set, and match for Obama. On the other hand, McCain has virtually no spin options on this one. All he can do is go forth in denial and again tell his audiences, "My friends, we've got them where we want them."

Philadelphia Enquirer

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:30 PM

pre election carnival ... I recall a lot of catters putting down the press ... saying how everything they put out is just spin, spin and not to take the media seriously as it's all lies etc. etc. .. . Now that the carnival is at a crescendo I see more cut and pastes, links, and references to the media than ever before all for the sake of defending one's stand.

Oh well ....

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 20 Oct 08 - 11:47 PM

There comes a time when people must speak up and tell the truth ... as far as I'm concerned Powell was on one of the salesmen for this war (lie) which has cost the U.S. way too much money, so much so they have sold their souls, and most of all it has cost too many lives, too many broken bodies. His coming out at this time in the carnival to endorse Obama doesn't cut it for me.

It's too late ... this is not the way and the time to apologize.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:43 AM

*G*

Powell wasn't targeting Canadian folkies when he made that endorsement. He was targeting middle America.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: katlaughing
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:55 AM

If I was too hasty in my remarks to DougR, it is probably because I was really shocked at his posting. Doug, I hope you do not believe Powell did this just because of race. And, I hope you aren't just parroting what you hear from Limbaugh, etc. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and extend a hand in friendship.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: DougR
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 01:43 AM

kat:I guess we have known each other for seven or eight years and we have traded remarks often during that time. To call me a racist is insulting. If you think I am, then you weren't much of a friend anyway. If Colin Powell took into account that Obama is African-American when he decided to support him, I wouldn't blame him, and I wouldn't consider him racist. He says he didn't and I accept him at his word. His reasoning for selecting an ill-equipped, inexperienced but admittedly talented communicator to support as President and Commander-in-chief, over a proven and experienced person like John McCain, though, makes no sense at all to me.

If you think that is racist, so be it.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 07:15 AM

Colin Powell appears to have come to the conclusion that selecting Sarah Palin as his running mate for a job where she has to be available to take on the job of president from day one, if need be, McCain has shown a lack of judgement that outbalances the fact that he has had more years as a legislator than Obama.

It's a perfectly reasonable position even if you disagree with it, Doug.

And the suggestion that gratitude for promotion in one's career should influence a public servant in this kind of situation seems rather a shocking one. When you select someone for a job that should never be seen as a kind of bribe that buys their support in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 08:42 AM

I've got news for Rush Limbaugh. If Powell's support of O'Bama is all about race, then any white person backing McCain is also about race.

Doug, have you taken a good look at McCain's experience? What has he done to qualify him for the job of president?
5th from the bottom at Annapolis. Crashed 5 very expensive planes.Booze, women, troublemaker. all of these things he admits. He was called Mcnasty in school. He has a temper, he's impulsive and erratic. He dumped his badly injured wife for a "Chick", and he was "Doing" her while he was still married.

There are two good things about McCain that I appreciate.
1. He conducted himself with honor while a prisoner in Viet Nam, and he told that witless old cow on tv that Obama is not an Arab, that he is a decent family man, and that we should not fear his becoming president.

Now, O'Bama has in his camp, Warren Buffet, Colin Powell, and Joe Biden to fill in his gaps.
McCain has a gang of former Attorneys General,and Caribou Barbie, all loyal Republicans. How can they stack up?

Here is a man who called his wife the most disgusting name in the book, IN PUBLIC. It rhymes with hunt.Don't believe it? go to google and look it up.

He has his good points, but qualifications to be president is not one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,number 6
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:01 AM

"Crashed 5 very expensive planes"

Actually 3 can be attributed to being 'crashed'by McCain .... 1 was shot down over V. Vietnam in combat (as we all know, or should know). 1 was hit by a stray rocket while he was waiting for takeoff on the USS Forrestal.

Again ... not endorsing McCain ... just getting some facts straight.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:31 AM

I hope you aren't just parroting what you hear from Limbaugh, etc.

Of course he is- always has done. Doug also thinks his puerile attempts at "humor" are amusing.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 09:41 AM

I went to google.

I looked ut up.

I don't believe it.

If anyone can the find the name of just one witness to this public statement, other than the smear book author, I could believe it.

Alternatively, if anyone could find a reliable soutce where McCain tacitly admitted it by saying "I was tired," that would be a start, too.

If a hundred left wing bloggers repeat the same story, that doesn't make it true.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 10:39 AM

Actually, DougR, I would be outraged, except over the years I have come to understand that you are a fellow so trapped in your views, and so handicapped by your inability to analyze your own positions, that you really cannot help yourself. Let's take a look at your own words, eh?

Seriously, I can well understand why Colin Powell turned on the Republicans. After all, what have Republican presidents ever done for him? I mean other than naming him first African American to head the Joint Chief's of Staff, first African-American four star general, first African-American National Security Adviser, and first African-American Secretary of State.

I wonder what Barak O'Bama offered him? Must have been pretty good, though, since he said Race had nothing to do with his decision.

OK, let's start with the first paragraph, O Great American. Did the thought ever occur to you that no one did anything for Colin Powell? Did the thought ever occur to you that he worked his way up to four star, and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs by virtue of hard work, bravery in battle, caring for his men, etc? Did it ever occur to you that he became National Security Adviser and then Secretary of State because he had worked hard at developing the necessary skill set? And all these things during a shameful time in our country's history when nothing more than the amount of melanin in one's skin could sink a career? This man overcame race and achieved high position on the basis of great character. And all you can do is act like some white guy did him a favor?????? The position you take only causes me to pity you, not to respect a well thought out counter opinion. Your statement is racist, DougR, but you will never admit or even be able to see that. You are trapped by your blinders.

Then you go on and attack the motivations of Powell, an honorable man by all accounts from the Right and the Left, by suggesting he only made the endorsement because of some specious "offer". First off, McCain himself said that Obama is a decent, hard working, family oriented, American whom McCain simply has fundamental disagreements with. Obama himself was taken by surprise by the endorsement, and had no prior knowledge. Can you not see that your specious attacks on the honor of a decent and patriotic American (Obama, as well as Powell) are based on a terrible cynicism that is decidedly unAmerican?

To those that think I am being too hard on DougR, please understand that I am sick to death of these attacks from right wingers who think that God speaks only through them, that they have the only answers. I am sick to death of folks that hide their bigotry and intolerance behind nice demeanors and the American flag. Being a left winger, a Democrat, and a progressive DOES NOT make me any less patriotic than you, Sir. On the basis of my service to my country in the military, on the field, as a community volunteer for many agencies, by my political involvement, by my community organizing efforts, by my union organizing to help working families, and every other thing I do to enhance our society, I claim my right to say that I love this country every bit as much as you. In fact I respect its diversity and recognize its beauty much better than you. And I claim the right to call you, and those who think like you, by your name. You have a skewed vision of what "America" is, and if allowed to go unchallenged, we will continue our slide from the Land of Promise all the way down to the just another civilization that failed. Which will it be, Doug?

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 10:48 AM

It's not racism on Doug's part, in my opinion, it's just a set of mental blinders he has on when it comes to partisan issues. He simply HAD to come up with some kind of unjustifiable reason for Powell to endorse Obama, since no justifiable reason could occur to him for such an endorsement. Therefore he saw what he thought was a form of race prejudice and/or personal opportunism showing itself in Colin Powell. This is what the human mind does when it turns itself inside out trying to find a rationale, any rationale, that supports its own established viewpoint.

Nevertheless, Mick, you have stated your views on the matter powerfully and well.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:08 AM

It is sad when being a dedicated Republican has become such a 'faith' that one cannot see when their party had been co-opted by folks who do a disservice to its basic principles.

When bad choices in candidates are made and bad campaigning is employed in order retain power at any cost, it casts a pall over the entire structure.

When one has to close one's eyes & squint to avoid seeing appalling negative ads and convoluted rationalizations of obviously irrelevant & inaccurate assertions about one's opponents, it suggests that loyalty is overriding sense & logic.

Many, many respected **REPUBLICAN** columnists, pundits, fellow congressmen and just plain party members have realized that the GOP has strayed way off course, and that it is time to concede this one and regroup in order to reclaim the party from the Karl Roves & Bush's & Cheney's & David Addington's who have tried to create a fiefdom, rather than just a party with a conservative view.

When MY party was running against Bob Dole and Gerald Ford and Dwight Eisenhower and worried about running against Rockefeller and Howard Baker and others, I worked to win, but did not fear those honorable men. It's time we returned to that situation.

Do not fret...Obama is an intelligent, hard working man who cares...and he will NOT drive the country into ruin. Even hard-core conservatives won't find their lives ruined and the world in chaos because this young man of mixed heritage has disrupted Karl Rove's idea of perpetual power.....just wait....

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:15 AM

Sorry, Hawk, but I have to disagree. The racism may not be intentional, but it is what it is. That posts suggests that Powell, a man of integrity and accomplishment and bravery and compassion, who happens to be African American, achieved what he did by virtue of some white guy doing him a favor. Whether it was benign or overt, that is still a racist view and must be called out for what it is.

I am sure DougR sees himself as a nice guy, but those sentiments are not. And this is one liberal, progressive, PATRIOT that will no longer sit by and allow these delusional, pseudo McCarthys to lay claim to the values of the country that I have spent a lifetime loving and trying to improve.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:29 AM

I have a friend, not a close one, who said a while back, "If Colin Powell should run for president, I would vote for him."

Now, months later after Powell came out for O'Bama, he said, "What did you expect? One nigger supporting another nigger."

I reminded him of his original opinion of Powell and I haven't heard from him since.

Sometimes the scalpel works better than a hatchet. Right, McBush?

Heric, you didn't look very hard. Did you see the video of McCain's town hall meeting when the Baptist minister asked him about that incident and he refused to answer?
We all know he is a lifetime womanizer.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,heric
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:34 AM

No, but I'll go and find it if you won't point me to it (or the witnesses or the tacit admission.)

However, I read that he (or his campaign statement) denied it flat out "Never happened."

If I were him, I would answer that question once and only once.

(It will be really something to hear a Baptist minister saying c*nt on TV.)

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:34 AM

Ref. these statements about our friend, Doug R, as long as they are put forth as OPINIONS, that's fine. He knows he is in a nest of left wing liberals and should expect such opinions. However, if they are stated as FACT, that's a different story.
I thought he was just trying to inject some balance here. I disagree with his politics, but I have to say he strikes me as a good man.
That's my opinion, for what it's worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Riginslinger
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:34 AM

"If a hundred left wing bloggers repeat the same story, that doesn't make it true..."


                  Hey, it worked for Joseph Goebbels. He was a socialist too, remember?

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:39 AM

I stand corrected. McCain crashed only 3 planes, not 5.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:42 AM

Heric, I just checked, and it is there.Look again. You may need to remove your blindfold.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:43 AM

It's primarily about race if you're a racist.

Kendall, when did you give Obama the pet name? That's usually what someone does when they're making fun of a person.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:43 AM

The dramatically despicable hatemonger, Rush Limbaugh, has asserted that Powell's endorsement is first and foremosty about race. In asserting this, Mr Limbaugh has sustained his own reputation for hatefulness and hateability. Furthermore he has revealed that he has great powers of telepathic insight, perhaps induced by his own drug adfdiction years, to read Mr Powell's mind, ignore the rational expressions which come out of his mouth, and cut through to the dark inner Freudian calculations which "must be there" according to Mister Limbaugh's impeccable track record in performing telepathy and psychoanalysis.

But unlike Mister Limbaugh, Colin Powell is not a charlatan. He is a tragic figure, in that his own loyalty to his duty forced him to compromise his integrity before the UNited Nations, an act he has publically regretted and apologized for.

And unlike Colin Powell, Rush Limbaugh is and charlatan. He markets anger, and uses anger to flog his prospects. He does so very profitably, no mistake. But his anger, like most regurgitated anger, has no truth in it. He peddles falsehoods, deals in histrionic distortion as a stock in trade, and does not know what truthfulness is or sounds like.

He could learn, if he listened to Powell. But he is too busy trading in false realities to listen to anyone, except his accountant.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 11:51 AM

Thank you, Mick. I'm sure that others also recognized DougR's impugning of Powell's career but no one posted that thought as well as you.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:01 PM

Captain, with all due respect, I suggest you go back and read my post, and not filter it through the fact you like Doug. It is purely based on his comments, and represents at all times what my opinion is of those comments. Doug made the comments, and I invite you, my dear friend, to respond to Doug's comments and not the fact that you like him. Those were despicable comments and representative of what is wrong, not what is right, with this country, my friend. For far too long we have allowed this stuff to go unchallenged, and not be criticized for what they are. No more.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:12 PM

Like I said, no matter how much we disagree with his post, it is an opinion. It is wrong, but he is still entitled to it. One thing I like about being a liberal, and hanging out with liberals is, we can tolerate the opinions of those with whom we disagree.

As to his comment on the rise of Colin Powell in a white world, I can only say "Rubbish" He got where he is by his ability, and being partly black has nothing to do with it. Now, that's my opinion of Doug's opinion. Who's to say which is more valid?

Doug is badly outnumbered here, and I'm not going to "Pile on."

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Big Mick
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:19 PM

I was going to leave this one, but the last post by my friend kendall requires a response.

I am not piling on. I took his remarks and responded to them. He is the one who posted them. I did not join in any other comments, rather I simply posted my reaction to them. If others feel the same, they are simply responding as such. When you make a comment in a public forum, you implicitly state that you are inviting a response from the open public that reads it. When that public rejects it in large numbers, you got the response you sought. That is not piling on.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Cluin
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 12:24 PM

DougR won't be "piled on". He pops in with Limbaugh one-liners to stir the pot then pisses off, sniigering up his sleeve.

I don't know if Doug is racist, but his comments certainly were.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:50 PM

Mick, my friend, I was not accusing anyone of piling on. I simply stated that Doug was badly outnumbered, and most of us will find fault with his opinion. If I had a beef with you, or anyone else, you would be the first to know.
Sorry you misunderstood.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: kendall
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 02:52 PM

Jeri, I did that about a month ago mostly to piss off my right wing friends who are anti O'Bama. It works, too.

Then I found out that he actually does have Irish ancestors. That pisses them off even more! Gotta love it.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Alice
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 03:04 PM

"Ancestry.com, the world's largest online resource for family history, is now able to confirm that U.S. presidential hopeful Barack Obama's Irish ancestors originated in Moneygall and neighboring Shinrone in County Offaly, Ireland."

"Researchers initially thought that Obama's third great-grandfather, Falmouth Kearney, who sailed from Ireland to New York in 1850 at 19-years-old, was the only member of the family to emigrate. However, records reveal that other Kearney family members had in fact been in America since the 1790s."

more here, including links to images of records

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 04:22 PM

The assumption that Colin Powell only got where he did because of being given favours is bad enough - but it's accompanied by the assumption that when someone is given an important job that means that they owe a debt to the people who gave it to them. In other words, they are owned by their patron.

That's how they do it in the Mafia I believe, and I'm sure it happens in other corrupt organisations, including political ones - but the idea that someone should be criticised for failing to act accordingly beggars description.

That way of thinking doesn't bear examination - and that's why it deserves to be examined, and having been examined, discarded.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 04:42 PM

Some here may find this dailykos diary interesting:

Photographic Proof : Powell Endorsement ABOUT RACE!
by Jimmy Crackcorn
Tue Oct 21, 2008 at 04:14:24 AM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/21/6491/7750/376/637293

Here's the first paragraph in that diary:

"Poor Rush Limbaugh. He just can't get over the fact that Colin Powell thought that Barack Obama was a better man to be President than John McCain. In Rush Limbaugh's eyes, the only reason that Powell could have possibly endorsed Obama was because they share the same skin color.

Yesterday Rush has this to say:

'Now, back to General Powell. I just want to button this up, because the Drive-Bys had a tizzy over my allegation that his nomination was about race. Well, let me say it louder, and let me say it even more plainly: It was totally about race! The Powell nomination or endorsement was totally about race.'
-snip-

Here's a list of noted Republicans featured in that diary-without their accompanying quotes & photos:

"Son of the National Review's founder Christopher Buckley is voting for Obama because he's black...

Granddaughter of the 34th President Susan Eisenhower is voting for Obama because she's black...

Neocon Kenneth Adelman is voting for Obama because he's black...

Conservative drunk Christopher Hitchens is voting for Obama because he's black...

Conservative Talker Michael Smerconish is voting for Obama because he's black...

One time publisher of the National Review Wick Allison is voting for Obama because he's black...

Conservative author Andrew J. Bacevich is voting for Obama because he's black...

Conservative author Andrew J. Bacevich is voting for Obama because he's black...

Former Republican Senator Lincoln Chafee is voting for Obama because he's black...

Former 15 term Republican Congressman Jim Leach is voting for Obama because he's black...

and finally, Colin Powell is voting for Obama because he's the best man for the job...

-snip-

Gee, I didn't know that all these folks were Black. I guess my Black radar must be faulty.

Or maybe these people endorsed Barack Obama because, as Colin Powell said, Obama's the best man running for the job.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Azizi
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 04:55 PM

Btw, welcome to Mudcat Mike in Brunswick! [who posted on 20 Oct 08 - 10:15 PM]

-Azizi in Pittsburgh

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Amos
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 04:58 PM

IF it makes Rush Limbaugth feel better, I voted for Barzack Obama because I am black. Also, because I am white, yellow, tan, straight, gay, female, and Oriental.

No manne is an islande. Except, perhaps, for the highly toxic and badly deranged Rush Limbaugh. Well, maybe not an island...a whale, perhaps, but less sensitive.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:06 PM

because they share the same skin color.

The daft thing is, they don't actually. For what it's worth, which isn't much, Colin Powell is even paler than Obama.

I've got neighbours without any ancestors from Africa more recently than the Old Stone Age who come back from holiday looking a lot darker than him. Hell, they go off on holiday looking as dark as he does.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:13 PM

I want a T-shirt: 'I voted for Obama because I'm Black'.
It's kinda like Kennedy and the 'Icht bin ein whosit' thingie.

Racists and some lost Republicans are grasping at straws because they won't see why their world is changing.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: Little Hawk
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:30 PM

Riginslinger, Goebbels was not a socialist. The National Socialist Party of Germany, better known as Nazis, were not socialists. They attacked and suppressed all leftists, communists, and socialists in Germany at that time. They were extremely to the right, politically speaking, and were the best friends of huge privately owned capitalist enterprises in Germany, who worked hand in glove with the Nazis, because German re-armament meant windfall profits for those industries.

The name "National Socialist" was a complete misnomer for the Nazis....if you take it to mean a connection with socialism. They vigorously opposed the socialists of their day, persecuted and killed them, and helped crush a fledgling socialist society in Spain before WWII even started.

In short, you don't know what the heck you are talking about when you call Goebbels a socialist, and to link Obama to Goebbels is just downright stupid.

It is the Bush/Cheney/Rove regime that has demonstrated tactics and tendencies reminiscent of Naziism...and quite blatantly in fact. They resemble the Nazis in just about every cardinal point (except anti-Jewish pogroms).   Well....at least you can't accuse them of being (horrors!) "socialists", can you? ;-)

Because they're not. They're fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Colin Powell supports Obama
From: GUEST,Justin U
Date: 21 Oct 08 - 05:35 PM

Don't think all this business of getting lots of votes just by mouthing off and criticising Americans is new. Its not. American politicians have been doing it for years. I mean, Obama's last platform was basically saying " Surely your not stupid enough to vote for me are you? " To which the American people responded with a resounding "YES!"