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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: guinnesschik Date: 30 May 01 - 12:50 PM Okay, okay, I meant fur that has no other use but ornamentation. (ie: meat is not used.) BUT, I also think it's wrong for anyone to make another human's decisions for them. I DO think it's a great idea for folks to experience the joy of growing one's own food, making one's own gear, etc...Maybe it SHOULD be a law for folks to expereince self-reliance at least once in a life time. I've done it..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: mousethief Date: 30 May 01 - 01:07 PM There's not enough land in the world for everybody to be fully self-reliant in all aspects. Fur has a great use beyond ornamentation: insulation. alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Kim C Date: 30 May 01 - 01:34 PM I have spun my own yarn. I have a great little hood I knitted from alpaca and mohair that I spun myself. When I had time I grew my own salads. I never said people shouldn't take advantage of technology. I believe I had a smiley-face after my comment about trapping one's own coat. How many people would still wear minks if they knew a mink is nothing but an ill-tempered little WEASEL? They're hateful little buggers. But hey, people can spend their money however they like. It's too warm in Tennessee for a fur, most of the time, anyhow. My mom's got one, though. Not for me. I didn't want her to get it for the simple reason that I didn't want anyone throwing red paint on her. Hasn't happened, thankfully. Now. Maybe somebody up in Alaska can clear this up. It's my understanding that some of the native people there are allowed to kill certain endangered animals for survival reasons. Anybody know? Death is part of the circle of life for all creations, be they animal or plant. Maybe plants don't feel pain, but they are living organisms, and several of them have to die so we can eat them. That's just the way it is. You think it's too crowded around here now? Just think what it would be like if we let everything live forever. I eat meat. I wear leather. I drive an SUV and I own a cell phone with voice mail. I made those choices. You can make yours too. So there. :-P |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: JedMarum Date: 30 May 01 - 01:52 PM ... sounds like, then; we're all in fierce agreement! I know that native peoples are often excused from the prohibitons the rest of us face regarding restrictions on hunting of endangered or even non-endangered species, if tere is a history of their use of that animal. I have seen native people hunting whales and seals in Alaksa, and I know some are excused from seasonal restrictions on salmon and other fish. I presume that is because their non-commercial (or small scale commercial) efforts cannot harm the overall population. This seems to make sense, assuming the regulators have done their homework, and their numbers are correct. I have killed and cleanned lots of fish, a few rabbits and have grown my own veggies too. I appreciate the effort that goes into these tasks, but generally find it practical to buy this stuff prepared at the market! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Kim C Date: 30 May 01 - 01:56 PM Okay then. Getting back to vegetables, can anyone comment on the prices of fresh produce in their particular locales? I know the price of groceries has gone up in general quite a bit over the last few years. I'll use mixed greens as an example: here in Nashville, mixed salad greens run anywhere from $5-$7 a pound, depending on where you go. I love mixed salad greens but I've gone back to red leaf lettuce cause it's only $1.50 a head. Since we started eating less processed foods, we spend more money at the store too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: mousethief Date: 30 May 01 - 03:53 PM Here's one I want to know: why do the prices of mushrooms fluctuate? I mean plain old white mushrooms, not the fancy-schmancy ones. There can't be a SEASON; the damned things are grown underground in abandoned salt mines. There ought to be a fairly steady year-round supply, and prices pretty much stable. But they vary between $1 a pound up to sometimes over $3 a pound. I refuse to buy plain white mushrooms for $3.50 a pound -- and when I don't get my mushrooms, there's not telling what may happen. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 30 May 01 - 09:28 PM gary im sure birds feel pain, ive worked in abbotoirs and seen them killed,it certainly looked like pain to me.john |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Peg Date: 30 May 01 - 09:32 PM I don't think it is "ignorant" to hate the proliferation of SUVs; they are destroying the environment and creating a shortage of fuel, not to mention endangering drivers in smaller cars... I don;t hate people who drive SUVs; I hate the attitude that seems to be so rampant in this country which says "I don't care about anyone or anything besides MYSELF!" if someone wants to drive one to go off-road or tackle bad weather, more power to 'em; but don't tell me all those matrons on Nantucket need' em to get their groceries...
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: guinnesschik Date: 30 May 01 - 09:47 PM Kim C, fresh groceries outprice prepared stuff everywhere. It's a conspiracy to keep the poor and undereducated from eating what's healthy. (Not really! Please, don't hurt me!) I check all the grocery store flyers before I do my shopping and may hit two or three stores for different items. Frotunately, I'm in an area where I can do so. I'd RATHER grow my own, but I don't have the space or time. Maybe some day.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Peg Date: 30 May 01 - 10:00 PM those mixed greens are indeed pricey! sometimes Wild Oats has them on sale for $2.99 a pound and that is when I buy them; otherwise it seems cheaper to get a salad at the salad bar to get your greens and get the cheaper lettuce for at home...
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: DaveJ Date: 31 May 01 - 05:45 AM By means of putting music back into this thread, I went looking for the Title and the Lyric's to the song that contains the words "Don't Slay that Potato." (Maybe that is the title?) Someone on this forum probably can sing it from memory, but I couldn't find it in the DT. But I did find the Cucumber Song. See gents veggies really are better than 'meat'...just ask the ladies. CUCUMBER SONG A restless young lady from Phuket, Developed a wonderful trend, To purchase cucumbers for pleasure, 'Cause she found they were better than men. cho: So line up for your cucumbers, ladies, They're selling for two bucks apiece, Your frustrated days are all over, 'Cause cucumbers never get pissed. In Asia they're eaten with chilies, In Britain they're put between bread, But in Phuket we use them as teddies, 'Cause we know that they'll never want head. They'll never leave stains on the mattress, They're happy to live in the fridge, The loo seat is never left standing, And I've never seen cucumber kids. So watch out you self-centered guys, You're not quite as great as you think, There's no guarantee it will work again, And we can't trade you in when it shrinks. Tune:Botany Bay @bawdy @vegetable filename[ CUKUMBER Tune file : BOTBAY2 |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Big Tim Date: 31 May 01 - 06:02 AM Dave; that's really stretching it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Kim C Date: 31 May 01 - 10:39 AM The Wild Oats here in Nashville never has them on sale for that cheap... |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Peg Date: 31 May 01 - 10:50 AM Kim: watch those flyers! And often the produce specials are not advertised but just these "manager specials." I suppose it may also have to do with the suply of those products in your area...
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 31 May 01 - 02:53 PM I heard a folksong on the radio last week called "Hitler Was A Vegetarian". |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: mousethief Date: 31 May 01 - 02:56 PM And he was, too. Thus proving that "guilty by association" is irrational. (i.e. just because he was a v. doesn't mean v.ism is bad. I'm sure he drank water, too) I thought up something today: what if you're a vegan, but you chew your nails? It's not MUCH but if you swallow any nail parings, it's an animal product, right? Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Walking Eagle Date: 31 May 01 - 03:43 PM To Peg: Here's one! There once was a matron from Nantucket Who thought she had to have a SUVEE to truck it. One day so grand, She drove off into the sand, And dug herself in up to her bucket! To the thread: I once was a vegetarian, might yet go back to it. I came from a family farm where we had to take care of the animals we slaughtered or we didn't eat. We also grew our veggies or we didn't eat. Did my share of game huntin' too. Mealtime choices were two: 1. Take it 2. Or leave it I STILL don't see the sense of salads (waste of garden space) or strawberries in the winter time. Where the hell do those come from? Times change, but I think we are all products of when and how we were brought up. This includes our food ideas. I don't like waste and this Cherokee is beginning to think that we ought to buy as local as we can and support Community Sustainable Agriculture farms and REAL farmers markets! A CSA is usually a situation where you buy shares of an organic farm and you get what the farmer harvests. Up side - - good local organic produce. Down side - - you cityfied folks get to see that mother earth really does affect your food availability! Forming food co-ops are nice as well, but a whole wheel barrow full of work. Check with your county extension agent ( every county in the U.S. of A. has one ) and see if they have a listing of CSA's and farm markets in your area. I expect you furrin' ( hillbilly for foreign ) 'catter critters have some sort of a similar government set-up. Remember above all else, nuthin' beats a home grown tomato! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: mousethief Date: 31 May 01 - 03:47 PM Only home-grown tomatoes have any taste at all. But they're virtually impossible to grow in Western Washington, alas, without a greenhouse. Alex |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Susan A-R Date: 31 May 01 - 09:49 PM Hmm, I'm an omnivore, and I run a vegetarian restaurant. I married a vegetarian 15 years ago, and vegetarian food is what I am comfortable cooking for the mases. I'm just not a proficient meat buyer. I'll let some other chef cook it. Meanwhile, there's lots of great vegetarian food out there flavor-wize, and lots of good fat/protein sources too. But I guess that, at heart, I'm with spaw. Gee Mousethief, I never thought of the mushroom price question before. I'll ask the produce buys.
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Peg Date: 31 May 01 - 10:27 PM Walking Eagle: I do like the CSA idea, and farmers' markets are a wonderful thing! I think more small towns and cities would show a demand for them if farmers gave it a try with the help of their local chambers of commerce or business leaders... We must get our asses back to the land if we wre ever going to survive. If that makes me a tree-huggin' hippie, well good on me...
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Gypsy Date: 01 Jun 01 - 12:24 AM We tend to eat seasonally available items, so fresh is much less expensive than purchasing prepared. By following the seasons, find that what we crave and need is usually fulfilled by what is available. And no, i am not a total anachronism, just suggest that most people who eat meat have no idea where it comes from. It is a whole different gig when you do it yourself, and have raised it from a lamb/calf/kid/piglet. Live with something for nigh unto a year, butcher it, and then tell me how you feel about meat. Just tastes like hard work to me, now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 05 Jul 02 - 02:02 AM The chemical in your drugs? |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Mr Happy Date: 05 Jul 02 - 05:42 AM if you marinate egg plant in kikkoman japanese soy sauce for a few hours then do them in a stir fry, they taste like the best beef you ever tasted! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: CarolC Date: 05 Jul 02 - 05:50 AM Do you use your kikkoman straight, or do you add water to it before you marinate, Mr Happy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: fogie Date: 05 Jul 02 - 07:20 AM I'm getting paranoid about talking non-music with some of the BS articles at present, but I've often wondered where such marked, almost religious ideology could lead. I confess I'm an omnivore, and would if neccessary kill and prepare what I ate. I'm sure I would eat less meat if I had to do it all the time, but I'd be as quick and painless as I could be. I wonder if the principles of Darwinian selection would ultimately lead us to seperate species, with differing teeth- I once told a sister in law that she could be fitted with either vegetarian or omnivorous dentures if she so wished. I can also imagine the two camps becoming very different psychologically, and I wonder if they would ultimately fight, and who would be likely to win! I tend to think that when the chips were down most people would eat what was available to survive , which is what weve done as a species from the beginnings |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: the lemonade lady Date: 05 Jul 02 - 07:28 AM I keep my lemonade trailer in a yard next to a slaughter house. (My god I wish I didn't-but it's the only space available at the moment) I can't go to the trailer by day because hearing the pigs making their final scream of terror reduces me to tears. All sixth formers should visit a slaughter house as part of their education. Unless, like me, they are vegitarian. I don't eat anything with a bottom! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: alanabit Date: 05 Jul 02 - 09:39 AM I don't try to convert anyone, but I never want another dead animal in my mouth again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 05 Jul 02 - 05:42 PM If it is longevity you are concerned with Mr. John in Hull -
Don't worry about your burgers and animal tallow chips - worry about the chemicals in your commercially brewed beers.
Why did you post this to a MUSIC BBS? |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Caz Date: 05 Jul 02 - 05:55 PM John I've been veggie for 15 years and have so many great, quick and easy recipes you would be gob smacked. If you want any just give me a shout and I'll be more than happy to pass some on to you. We are on holiday soon but hope to catch up with you on our return. Take care and keep up the good work. Anything you do is better than nothing and any reason is OK in my book. Carole - OUTSIDER |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 05 Jul 02 - 10:16 PM Have a nice holiday Caz. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 06 Jul 02 - 12:46 AM So John - Are You NOW - One Year and Six Weeks post starting THIS thread - a committed burger/chip HATING vegetarian?
Or perhaps .................. ............................you were just lonely................ ...... and ................................................................. blowing smoke ................... ...that night................................. so long ago. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 06 Jul 02 - 01:10 AM Guest-I never said I was vegetarian, read my first post on this thread again, I have decided to reduce tha amount of meat I eat, why are you so concerned with what I eat anyway? Are you the same Guest that advised me to stop drinking & smoking? If so, what makes you think I smoke? |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 06 Jul 02 - 04:50 AM Blowing smoke up someone's ass is an American expression for B.S.ing
I believe Guest was just being nice.
And John, the opening to your thread DID indicate you decided to cut out/ down the amount of meat i eat, so again I side with Guest.
You stated your motivation i seem to have been living on beer and burgers,my friends sister has just died of stomach cancer and it made me think. So, it appears that Guest once again is only encouraging you in your desire to change your life.
By the way, also in America, there was once an imaginary cockroach named "Archy" who wrote commentary in a newspaper office when all had left for the night. Archy could not use the cap-key on the type-writer. Not meaning to be critical(like the other Guest) but are you affecting Archy's style or is the beer affecting you? Perhaps, clogged arteries are preparing a stroke? What is up with your writing? |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 06 Jul 02 - 11:54 PM Guest-Don't judge other people, or you might get judged yourself. Sincerley John |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: BanjoRay Date: 07 Jul 02 - 07:28 PM Saw a great T-shirt this weekend. It said "I didn't climb to the top of the food chain to become a vegetarian" Cheers |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 08 Jul 02 - 11:52 AM There are over 30 people supporting you in this thread John from Hull. Come on, you can do it.
Have you lost weight since 14 months ago? You were ready to make some life changing affirmations. You shared them with the world. You had powerful reasons to change after watching the devastating effects of stomach cancer. You CAN do it. Seize the vision. We are here to help you. There are people here who will prayer with you right now. Renew the commitment to change. Make your life into something more than a booze swilling guitar-string-mechanic for someone else.
John, we are, all 30 of us, waiting.
What is your decision tonight?
Tell us. We are hear to listen.
Go ahead. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 08 Jul 02 - 06:25 PM Amen Brother! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 09 Jul 02 - 02:00 AM To the tune of Come All Ye Faithful
Why are we waiting,
Well Johnny boy - I guess you just couldn't take the pledge
Sorry, to see an opportunity, like this, pass you by.
Remember, opportunity only knocks once. Don't expect much support from this place when your coronary hits or the stroke strikes.
Going once, Going twice, GONE like a corpulent corpse in the incinerator.
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Jul 02 - 02:24 AM Guest=No, I have gained about a stone, No, I have not given up the beer, Yes I have considerably reduced my consumption of meat, (I no longer eat beef-burgers, and I now eat very little red meat), I play sport regulary, (pool, darts and dominoes).john Gargy-I am stil waiting for you to answer my questions (posted 2 days ago) in the "Latest Swindle" thread, that you have just posted to. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 09 Jul 02 - 10:57 PM What are your favorite vegitables, John from Hull.
So, what was so awful about Hull that you are forced to leave your identity? |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 09 Jul 02 - 11:11 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 02 - 12:04 AM Waiting |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 02 - 12:22 AM Someone, is Absolutely Brillant here and it ain't the guest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 10 Jul 02 - 01:01 AM You spelled vegetables wrong Guest! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 10 Jul 02 - 04:18 AM bad keyboard bad |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 10 Jul 02 - 04:34 AM And favourite! |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: beadie Date: 10 Jul 02 - 10:00 AM I read an article in the news the other day that said a group of vegans issued a press release condemning the consumption be humans of honey. It seems these folks believe that the oppressed worker bees are being exploited even further when we eat the product of their labor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 11 Jul 02 - 01:41 AM Give us your diet for this week John
You are starting to work with us...
this is good...keep it up....we WILL work with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: GUEST Date: 12 Jul 02 - 01:39 AM |
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Subject: RE: BS: vegetarians ? From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull Date: 12 Jul 02 - 01:56 AM Breakfast-Beans on toast lunch -Jacket potato with beans Tea-spicy beanburgers |