Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 04:22 AM

'mispellings'? LOL

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Awfully Defensive Peg
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 09:27 AM

(quote) " hmm, GUEST Taliesn seems awful defensive 'bout sumthin'..."

A case of a kettle, on the boil , calling the stove "defensive" I fear.

Our entire dialogue was ignited by your most cordial invitation to your pre-judged indictment.

Need I remind you of how you first burst onto thius thread: (quote) "I remember a few months ago when some idiot decided to pose that same question to the "leaders" of the pagan community; along the lines of, hey you guys are witches, why didn't you KNOW this would happen?

Maybe it's even the same idiot, who knows? In any case this troll does not deserve a reply. "

Right out of the gate your barely stifled snort of derision not only exposed an obviously raw-nerved hair-trigger of ready *defensiveness* over a completely *unrelated* incident , but in your moment of weakness let slip a rather "poor manners be damned" arrogance , barely couched , that doesn't exactly show a best face for a representative of one's presumably *evolved* culture. Your stated need to "get" the name betokens the cyber-vigilante-ism of which I spoke playing its hand and when someone else volunteers: (quote) "(quote) "Peg... the name used by the guest is the same name used on at least one pagan newslist. He made several points several times... much as he's done here. "

..then apparently "others" are doing some *checking*. I'm sorry that you've not once ever considered simply *asking* me up front in all of this. This suggests to me that you've already made up your mind from day one and I'm guilty till proven innocent in your exclusive court: (quote) "Yup. As I thought. Same idiot. " Obviously whatever psychic "gifts " you and your "pagan newslist" believe you possess have failed you, on the most fundamental level of spiritual wisdom , so far as the common courtesy to simply asking me?

That is why I made a point of distinction over *pyschic* abilities are *not* to be confused with airs of any level of *spiritual advancement*. Your behavior has proven this caveat once again.

I've apologized for allowing your initial bad manners for getting my Irish up and my giving in to my passions of the moment.

On the other hand it's appaent to anyone reading our little dialogue that you believe any apology on your part even sugesting that you've got it all wrong is proposterous and quite out of the question

My one and only email address : [e-mail]

Have a Happy Solstice and good luck contributing to the balancing the world's karma. ;-)

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 09:36 AM

You kids better play nice or I'm putting you in separate rooms, so help me!! :>)

Taliesn, relax. You're obviously intelligent and articulate and we can always use more of that around here. I don't care, FWIW, whether you've posted to pagan groups, architectural groups, or groups for coprovores!

Little collisions happen all the time in this medium, as I am sure you know. No need to get all stirred up. It's not to sweat over, pal.
I assure you from long acquainance that Peg is puredee Good People, and if you will just stop bristling like a pair of surprised kittens, I reckon you'll get along fine!


A

Subject: RE: Much Appreciated Amos
From: GUEST,Taliesn
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:07 AM

(quote) "I assure you from long acquainance that Peg is puredee Good People, and if you will just stop bristling like a pair of surprised kittens, I reckon you'll get along fine!"

Point well-taken and appreciated. I can be stubborn and ,at times ,give in to the passion of the debate when holding my ground . Then readily apologize , *especially* when I've been wrong, for feathers ruffled and have even on occasion offered a fistful of the one's that I've lost in the maelstrom to cover the bare patches I've caused.

I guess that's why it's a kind of tradition how two Irishmen , fresh from a fight , can then buy one or the other a drink in toasting of providing a *good* fight.

It's also understood in America why there are so many marriages between Irish & Italians; it's simple , they *fight* divinely ;-)

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Rick Fielding
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:14 AM

On the other hand, Amos is pure trouble! I wouldn't listen to a thing he says!

Cheers

Rick

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:16 AM

Taliesn, I am annoyed because you re-title messages to reflect who you're having a conversation with. I can't tell what thread it's in and many of these messages involve personal pissing contests. No offense - there's a tradition of pissing contests around here. I'd just prefer it if you had manners not to shove it in my face in the titles, which I DO read. The "Re: Original Subject" DOES have a purpose, especially to those who read from an index of messages instead of threads. Thank you.

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 10:53 AM

Thanks a lot, Rick. But, well, at least it's out in the open now!! I can stop wondering whether you're listening! :>)


A

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 11:07 AM

Wolfgang: oops! That was a typo actually. I used to misspell misspelling so often I had to buckle down and get it right. But I frequently have typos on Mudcat posts. My grammar is usually purty good tho. ;)

Taliesn: get a life already and stop being so damn self-centered. I see your ego rearing its head in other threads now. You really need to stop inserting motivations and intentions into what I have written here. What is this crap about my "stated need" to "get" your name? As I said before I never accused you of actually being anyone and to people who are used to reading English sentences, the words "maybe" and "who knows?" in such sentences generally imply one is speculating, not accusing or blaming. Then when you went all nuts about it I figured I should play along. You keep accusing me of being defensive, but about what? I have not been accused of anything. I certainly don't care if people disagree with my opinions on psychic ability as long as they do it with some form of logic or reason or forethought. In some cases it is dismissed out of hand with bad grammar as I said already. If I seem to be calling you a jerk without actually doing so, well, fine, glad you picked up on that.

Happy Solstice? In December? There's a couple holidays before that.

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 12:19 PM

Ah, sweet Peg....sigh.


:>) There ya go makin' me a fool!! What's a puir feller tuh do??? :>)

A

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Bobert
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 12:39 PM

Amos: Thanks fir the song. I'm amazed at your creativity and how you just seem to pull this stuff out while on the run. If it's possible for you to PM me the words, I'll record it and get you a copy. I'm sure there's a way I can print it but not too sure how. Last time I tried to print a post I got the whole danged thread.

Everyone Else: Ladies and gentlemen, The 1st judge scores the fight: Peg 113, Taliesn 111; the 2nd judge scores the fight: Taliesn 114, Peg 113 and the 3rd judge has it Taliesn 113, Peg 113. We have a draw!

Hey, what's everybody looking at? Move along, fight's over!

(Strange thing is that you two are both really intellegent and good people and it's time to just "let it be". It's like a scab at this point. Keep picking at it and it'll never heel. Hey, if it were excluslively about ideas then fine. But it has become a little too personal. I'd suggest taking that part into a quiet room.)

Now, as for "psychic phenomena (sp)", hmmmmmm, I haven't figured this one out but both my wife and myself have a knack for knowing what the other is thinking. Happens all the time. We're riding in the car and it's been afew minutes since either of us has spoken as we're consumed with the beauty of the ride and each in seperate thoughts (or one would think) and then one of us enevitably vocalizes that thought and, bang, you guessed it. And the stuff is so many times just so unrelated to what we had been conversing about earlier. And this happens *a lot*!

Bobert's 3 cents worth...

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Peg
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 12:46 PM

Amos; you are no fool, I just hate trolls. Sorry to make you resort to being the referee. Thanks for your peace-making.

Bobert: judges? Oh my. I hope you at least have popcorn or good beer! Good advice in any case. Have been enjoying your political discussions elsewhere too.

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 01:34 PM

You got it, Bobo-me-boy!

A

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 01:47 PM

"both my wife and myself have a knack for knowing what the other is thinking"

There's nothing 'psychic' about that dude... It happens to all married people...

Psychics schmychics... put up or shut up I says... Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence...

On the other hand, if such a belief is what helps ya get out of bed in the AM, then that's good for you I guess... Just don't expect me to take it even a little serious...

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 02:22 PM

CH, nobody asked you to...you've made no mystery about how you feel since way back when. Why, then, do you feel compelled to keep slinging mud into a thread where some of us would like to have a discussion, free of bullying, whether it meets with your approval or not?

I ask once more, is it possible for skeptics to be respectful and allow others to have a discussion about their experiences without the ridicule, etc.? Can Mudcat be tolerant?

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 02:46 PM

"is it possible for skeptics to be respectful and allow others to have a discussion about their experiences without the ridicule"

No deal!

,-)

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 02:48 PM

CH:

You're contradicting yourself pretty fast. "It happens to all married people" means there's nothing psychic about it? Means its evidence, although anecdotal but dismissed because it happens too often to be of interest? Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence? Well, I guess that depends on wyhat you mean by anecdotal. Someone reports an experience, you have to assume they are falsifying it? In any case, if it is not evidence, then what are you left with? Test tubes, labs with Zener cards, and Ingo Swann making thermocouples change temperature which were buried in vacuum bottles ten feet under a concrete floor. Oh, that's only anecdotal because someone didn't like the controls?

Get real, amigo -- more things there are under heaven and earth than in your skeptical, matter-delimited view of existence, and I believe you know more about that then you are letting on, to be honest with you. I grant you it is a difficult and uncomfortable subject, riddled with smoke, personal confusaions, and overlays and alterations and god-knows-what-all. But it might be worth the trouble to sort through those things, IMHO. Or at least not jjeer at those who are giving it their best effort.

A

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 02:51 PM

Blah de blah de blah...

Quick... some one start a part 2 to this nonsense...

;-)

and then call up that Pet Psychic!

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 02:59 PM

I just knew you were gonna say that, CH!! :>)

A

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 03:02 PM

LOL!!!

Now! SEE!!!! That's the level of seriousness this thread deserves!

Good on ya A!

,-)

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: katlaughing
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 04:15 PM

CH, I am in touch with YOUR cat, but I don't think you'd want me to repeat what she has to say about you.:-)

BTW, resisitance is futile - once you've experienced a "knowing" you will never feel the same way about such things ever again. And, you will have such an experience, even though your mind may be too much of a locked up steel trap door to recognise such when it happens.

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 04:39 PM

Which cat?

,-)

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: Amos
Date: 05 Sep 02 - 08:02 PM

Some of you already know there is a Part 2 to this thread!.

Isn't that AMAZING???

Seriously though, you know where it is....


A

Subject: RE: Where were the *psychics* on 9/11?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 02 - 02:25 AM

Why did you do that Amos?