BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Albion
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 10:33 AM

Erm...well, I always said that I would never get into another debate on Mudcat (given the level to which it has seemed to sink recently), but I do feel that I have something to contribute here.

First off, I hate fascists like poison for a couple of reasons --first, and biggest, is their scapegoating of minorities, whether religious, ethnic or sexual. I'm sure we are all aware of what happens when they are allowed to get their way in this respect, so I don't need to expand on that. Secondly, and a tiny annoyance by comparison with the first, but rarely talked about, is the way they hijack what they view as the dominant culture and make it seem as though being of that culture implies agreement with their noxious views. It doesn't help that the left, of which I count myself a slightly beleagured member, falls for this in a big way. Thus in England anyone who expresses an interest in English culture or heritage (which, as pointed out by other catters, is a beautifully diverse thing) tends to get labelled racist by the left. This kind of thing can frustrate people over time. It also means that most of the stuff on English culture out there comes across as Conservative at best and Nazi at worst, since people who are on the left (and more diversity-minded) get scared off the subject. Then English culture gets perceived further as an exclusively "white" domain, intensifying the problem on both left and right. It's ironic that, by ignoring the contributions of non-white people to English culture, the left also ends up minimising what refugees and other immigrants have given us. Of course mentioning this would be an appeal to self-interest, and ignores the fact that our wider loyalty to other human beings should require compassion instead of whingeing, but I think it would help.

The argument that asylum seekers are responsible for English culture being derided and unrecognised is bollocks. We ourselves have done that. If we are stupid enough to buy into a homogenous pop culture that obscures our own cultures we are bound to end up wondering who we are. We could assert our own identities any day just by switching off the pop music stations and trash TV for a bit.

One other thing --people who say that "the English did x and y in the Empire and got a lot out of it, now they're getting theirs" are being a bit hateful too. When you come from the working-class, in which the options until recent times were very narrow (work in a factory for a starvation wage, become a soldier and be expendable, work down the mine, etc) you realise that the racist ethic that supported the exploitation of colonial peoples also supported the exploitation of the English working classes. This is what happens when you have an aristocracy based on notions of genetic superiority. The fact remains that most of the English are of working-class extraction originally, and most of the people whose families really benefitted from the Empire (members of the Establisment at the time) are well off enough that they don't have to worry about things like getting somewhere to live. Some of them are in the Tory party or worse, spouting polemic about asylum seekers making it harder to get accommodation...

The bottom line is that anyone who would vote for the BNP, especially after the horrifying BBC documentary "Inside the BNP", is either fundamentally racist or incredibly simple-minded.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 11:31 AM

McG, many thanks for corrections in the Niemoeller lines I quoted. Have you seen them published anywhere, or have you any other source? Sounds like he was a sterling guy, anyway.

Keith A, it is utter rubbish to say that some countries control their borders but the UK does not. Even for travel into and out of the rest of the European Union, the UK - alone among all the EU countries, I believe - requires passport checks.

Moreover your point about population density is disingenuous, or at least naive. Certainly the UK ranks high on that measure - behind only Japan, I think. But try relating populations to usable resources - most critically water - and the picture changes dramatically.

The bottom line is exactly as Albion put it at the end of his post above.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: shepherdlass
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 02:58 PM

Fully agree with Albion's bottom line, and the need to reclaim a sense of Englishness back from the right wing extremists who've hijacked the notion.

Not so sure about this homogeneous pop culture Albion mentions - did anyone see World Idol???? There is no way our manicured and manufactured pop stars (well, Will Young) looked or sounded anything like those from the rest of Europe, Australia or the Middle East. Even in production line pop there are little national quirks that get through. That's why the arguments of the racist little-Englanders are so laughable - nobody could do a better job of destroying our wonderfully mongrel British identity than the BNP and their fellow travellers, with their stupid concepts of national purity.

Incidentally, this is really narking me now because I know of a soul/blues (yes, music of black origin!) singer who recently stood for BNP and was SURPRISED that his band (mostly first generation Caribbean and Asian immigrants) walked out on him. Are some of us Brits really stupid enough to think BNP aren't racist?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 03:05 PM

Albion, that was a seriously well belanced, well maintained statement from you and it got me thinking a lot. Well done sir!

After that 'inside the BNP' documentary I a fair few people agreed with the critical elements that the leader was saying and as my father put it, a retired editor of a Fleet Street newspaper put it, if they did not have a thuggish element and weren't so extremist, they would be a getting a lot more votes.

Focusing a little, Brucie - as I said a little earlier, the chances of me voting again for the BNP are minimal, as I realised how extreme the vote was.

Of course I would help any person who was in dire need from a country's perspective, condencing my view into its purest form: Look after number one. We should sort ourselves out before we start giving it to others. The slums we have in this country are appauling, inner parts of London are a mess, and in Manchester - Moss Side is a real no go area for a white person on his / her own. Crime continues to increase, poverty widen, and health service crisis continue to loom.

The Sudan crisis - well harshly putting it, there is always some country in Africa in trouble and it is always the west that has to come to the rescue, namely America, but they never get any thanks, and then they get blamed for persecuting Muslims... aren't most African nations populated by a majority of Muslims??? Just a note, my aunt works as a teacher in Tanzania, one of the poorest african nations.

Weelittledrummer - that is all very true. I had high intentions of joining the RAF to serve my own personal part to our country but I was told go to uni first. After university, I am most likely to join the air services.

I only posted on here as at first, it just seemed like a discussion forum which actually, for once, had a group of relatively intelligent people. I didn't realise at the time that its main orientation was blue music etc.

Sorry for pissing anyone off but this is a current and deadly topic in the UK and many people in the UK are getting sick of the current government.

Josh

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Albion
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 03:39 PM

Well, shepherdlass, I suppose it's less the soupy pop idol stuff that I am worried about, so much as the mindless celebrity culture that seems to preoccupy so many people to the exclusion of most things that are worthwhile. Then they wail about immigrants undermining our culture...

With regard to the soul singer you mentioned, I think quite a lot of people have probably been fooled (or are determinedly deluding themselves into thinking) that the BNP are not racist. A friend of mine from Yorkshire in a recent discussion we had about the whole worrying topic of fascism mentioned an acquaintance of his from work, a 'nice bloke', who said that he "voted for the BNP because they seemed the only party to have the interests of the ordinary Englishman at heart". The fellow appeared genuinely shocked and remorseful when my mate told him the party was racist. There's one born every minute.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 03:45 PM

That Niemoeller quote - here's what it says on the site I checked it from - This quotation is often cited incorrectly. The exact phrasing was supplied by Sibylle Sarah Niemoeller von Sell, Martin Niemoeller's wife. The remark was made in reply to a student's question, "How could it happen?"

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 04:47 PM

So, GUEST Josh, you are a student,going to uni before joining the RAF. So how come you also say you work hard, earn your wages, and pay your taxes. And if you were really a student and lived in Oldham, you would not say you lived near the Peak District, which is somewhere else all together. And you also say you hadnt noticed that Mudcat was for people interested in folk and blues.
There are a number of other strange inconsistencies in this guest's posts. I personally wouldnt waste any time arguing with him, I dont think Josh the naive student exists.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 04:59 PM

I told you that yonks ago.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 05:28 PM

Noted, thanks McG.

By the way, has anyone noticed what Brits have done for local culture in some of the tourist areas of Spain and Greece?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 05:33 PM

OK smartarse, I'll be more specific, I live in an area 3 miles from Oldham, called Saddleworth, which is right on the fringe of the Peak District.

I am a student but if ur parents aren't well off, which mine certainly aren't, I have to WORK for my money and so pay taxes (including council taxes for the rent on my house) on what I earn, For four years before now I worked part time 20-30 hours a week in a bar in Oldham or in Birmingham, where I study. However this year I am on full time industrial placement working for Lockheed Martin. I just didn't want to tell everyone, everything about me. But there you go. My only ignorance was not noticing the type of website, I posted this thread within half an hour of seeing the website. A hasty judgement it would seem.

Has this resolved your quarrels?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 05:34 PM

That post was just by me, forgot to type my name at the top! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 08:05 PM

GUEST Josh-Students don't pay council tax, so stop bloody lying!
you reckon you were in the race riots, and the Manchester IRA bomb, looks like youve been really unlucky!
Were you in The Kings Cross Fire, The Zebrugge Ferry disaster, and the Hillsborough Stadium as well?

I think your full of shit, and just trying to make trubble.

so get lost.john

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 01:54 AM

Guest Josh is trying to make amends, IMO. Why not give him a chance?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 03:18 AM

and in Manchester - Moss Side is a real no go area for a white person on his / her own

I just happened to call in the Clarence, Moss Side, on Saturday night, Josh. I was on my my own. I am white. I am still here...

Is this another example of you believing everything you hear in the press? Is it because your father is a retired Fleet Street editor? The Sun by any chance?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Partridge
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 04:07 AM

Just spent the weekend leafleting against the BNP, as they are standing a candidate in the council by-election in the ward where I live. Talked to lots of fair minded people who thankfully wont be voting for them. But I was surprised at the number of people who said that they would be voting for them - and guess what, they all said they were not racist.

The BNP are a bunch of racist, ignorant neanderthals

Pat x

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 05:38 AM

jOhn, I don't see any evidence that Josh is lying. Maybe his landlord imposes a surcharge towards council tax. And his last post makes it pretty clear he's not a fiction, Greg. I'm with brucie.

What I did wonder was why his proximity to a bomb blast bestows any kind of authority on his views. My time in Belfast included a twelve-month period in 1972-3 during which 1,000 (yes, one thousand) bombs went off there. According to Josh, the whole of Mudcat must be hanging on my every word.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 06:43 AM

Nobody seems to have followed up the interesting suggestion in the first post of this thread about asylum seeker housing. Apparently they are building 200 new houses in this attractive Pennine area exclusively for asylum seekers. Now, this may well be true, but I have worked on music projects with asylum seekers(shock horro) for a good many years now: and they certainly dont build hundreds of new houses for asylum seekers round here,(Stoke). So could we have chapter and verse for this story? I'm not saying it's not true, I'd just like to see a little evidence s we can make up our minds.
   As regards Josh's existence: I am quite willing to believe he exists (obviously, someone is writing the posts). But I think there are elements in what he says that dont quite ring true to me...that's as tactfully as I am prepared to put it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 10:36 AM

And the goverment dont give them free cars either.
I know loads of asylum seekers and refugees, and most of them havent got a car, and the ones that have have got a job and saved up for it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 10:45 AM

Yeah the free cars bit did it for me too. But the web site clinched it.

He is not called Josh, he is not a student, he is not about to be over run by asylum seekers.

He is manipulative and propagandering.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 11:00 AM

Josh, if you are a student it's about time you fucking well grew up.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 11:28 AM

students-- bag o' shite.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Chris Green
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 11:47 AM

I grew up in a terraced house in Foleshill in Coventry. We were one of two white families in the street - the remainder were all mainly first generation Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi. About two months after we moved in my father was diagnosed with a life threatening illness at three in the morning and and rushed into hospital where he remained for the next three weeks. My mother was a full-time housewife, I was seven and my sister was five. The day after literally every family on the street came over to our house with offers of help and support. The only exception to this was the other white family. Interestingly, we later learned that the head of that particular household had run as a National Front councillor in the last local elections! So really this whole thing about far right parties looking after their own is bollocks, eh?

Josh, "I do not want to live here anymore." My sincere advice is that you fuck off somewhere else as speedily as possible and stay there.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,brucie
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 02:29 PM

Josh,

I would love to see you speak against the BNP--and that should be easy for you to do considering you have had a change of 'heart' concerning that Party.

Do you or do you not think the BNP is racist? If yes, why? If no, then that should make things clear. The ball is in your court. IMO, that's the quickest way to get this shit sorted out, OK? Basically, I'm gettin' a fu#kin' headache from it, and I am a nasty SOB when I have a headache.

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 02:59 PM

Brucie and Peter K(Fionn): you both seem to be drifting into be "nice to GUEST Josh" mode. Sweet reason, he's changeed his position, etc etc. Sure. But he's also changed his style of writing, vocabulary, personal history etc.
   Read all his posts, I suggest (if you can be bothered!). Call be a suspicious-minded sod if you are like, but I think this man is not at all what he seems. And I dont think he's much of a welcome guest, certainly not to me, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 03:28 PM

He is a charlatan and a racist f***er at that.

Brucie don't give him the benefit of the doubt, unless he moves in next door to you of course.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 03:35 PM

Greg and Guest:

See my post just above yourn, and that should handle it I hope.

I ain't prepared to get in bed with the guy yet. I just seem like a nice guy. Don't believe that of me for a sec.

I was always pointed out by my mother to other people as the reason some mammals eat their young. She was right.

Pax.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 06:11 AM

Greg, instinct tells me you're right, but I've seen our collective instincts here at Mudcat turn out to be wrong, several times. Also I do think his story kind of hangs together, however misinformed he may be, so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

That was a good point you made about housing.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 06:50 AM

Yesterday two more BNP party members, who took part in the undercover documentary, were arrested. The charge apparently is that they were/are sending malicious communications electronically and otherwise.

There IS NO Josh.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,H
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 08:11 AM

There are, I`m sure, millions of folks, predominantly of white British origin in these islands who have seen throughout their lives cultural and population changes that they do not find to their liking. They feel, perhaps, they have seen successive governments turn somersaults to placate certain sections of the community at the expense of what they consider the indigenous population. They may not all agree that the influx of different cultures and practises, as they are often told, must be seen as "good thing". They may feel strongly that the immigration policies and the European question is destroying the things that they hold dear. They are certainly not members of the BNP but if the above makes them racist then they could well be in the majority.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 09:10 AM

I hope it is just an age thing. Nowadays the youngsters are being raised to realise that there is a whole big world out there, accesible to them, if they wish to explore and experience it.
The populations are forever shifting and transience is the norm in most major cities.

There will always be pockets of the.." I don't like change or anything that isn't instantly recognisable to me." brigade. They are scared and prefer to be safe in their insular world, where they never have to think too hard.

They will disappear with time and be replaced by open minded people, who can celebrate being alive as opposed to being a nationality.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Hugh Jampton
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 09:37 AM

Guest, you are absolutely right and the new generations will go through the same transitions as our older generations have; just as it has ever been since man began.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST,Josh
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 02:35 PM

I can understand you think I am propagandering or whatever. But I'm honestly not, if you look at my very very first post on Mudcat, my guest name was something like: Josh - Aston university or something, that's where I started using this forum. It was the 'oil will run out' topic, started by Brucie boy!!

I do find it find I'm being told I am not Josh. I am Josh. My vocabularly changing.... well that may have been because I was trying to communicate myself better to you all, plus I was getting a little aggravted.

Perhaps I am a naive and ill informed student. But I am still a person who's name is Josh.

I was 'in' the Manchester bomb. I was 12 (shouldn't have been there at that age admittedly) and they evacuated us from the Arndale Centre. As for the riots, they started in Glodwick I think and moved up to Oldham Sixth Form College, where I was studying / getting my arse kicked.

I would quite happily speak against the BNP, some are thugs, but a couple ovf their points at the time hit home for me, they are shaping their plans to suit the general public as you've all said, so what do u expect?

As to my original thread post, it is being planned for the construction of these houses. The question you have to ask yourself is, would you mind living next to such an estate? Honestly ask yourself that. Your house value would collapse and no one would ever buy it. Simple as.

And I'm really loving the fact some of u are saying I am an unwelcome yet you yourself are a guest, with no name no less. So hmm.

If there was another way of proving I am me, I would but I don't want to tell u my complete life. I've never been questioning who u were have I?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 02:41 PM

Close but no cigar.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 04:02 PM

Tell that to Monica Lewinski.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 04:48 PM

Jesus Christ Josh!

Theres naive and theres not safe out on your own.

They are shaping their plan for the general public - thats exactly what Hitler did.

Just take it from older and wiser heads:-

You are hanging round with bad boys - no good will come of it.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 04 - 06:39 PM

I lived in Harlem--one block south of 125 Street--in 1967-8. I am white. My neighbours were black. ALL my neighbours were black. For friggin' miles. Everywhere I looked I saw black people. I was very easy to spot in a crowd. Long-haired white hippie with a guitar case. I never had problems.

I lived and taught on an Indian (First Nations, Aboriginal, Indigenous) Reserve in northern Alberta (1987-90 (?)) for three years and ALL my neighbours were red. I was still white. I was very easy to spot in a crowd. I never had problems.

This bullshit the BNP is talking about is just that: bullshit. Racists are rubbish (to borrow a phrase from my friend jOhn). Sleep with the devil and you'll have the devil's child. Don't let those bastards poison your mind. The BNP is trash. Put them and their policies where they belong. Beside the cat in jOhn's dumpster.

The BNP is composed of people who will lie, cheat, say anything they have to to make themselves look worthy of votes. We have that kind of garbage in Alberta also. Mostly we marginalize the fu#kers because they don't deserve a hearing. "The day will come when a man is judged not by the color of his skin but by the conduct of his character." Memorize that. Then learn to live it. You are better than the BNP. Memorize that too, SVP. Make your vote mean something good. And make your choices count. My children have to live in the world your generation is making. Think about that, OK?

Thanks, Josh.

Bruce Murdoch

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Chris Green
Date: 19 Aug 04 - 05:51 PM

Erm... why exactly did you start using this forum? I'm genuinely interested to know. I've been using it for the best part six months and yours is the first thread of this nature I've encountered.

RSVP

Chris

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Bagpuss
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 05:39 AM

If people coming to this county work for a living we complain about them stealing our jobs. If they don't, they are sponging off us...

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 06:34 AM

yeh and if they leave, we complain about the queues at the airport

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: greg stephens
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 07:01 AM

I think poor little Josh has arrived in Stoke as well. Or at least we have a very similar sounding long letter to the local complaining about asylum seekers and saying what good points the BNP make (though of course of course the writer doesnt actually vote for them!). Remarkably like young Josh "of course" not being a racist.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: robomatic
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:49 AM

Among the phrases that immediately arouse my suspicion are:

"I'm a simple country lawyer...."

"We're all good Kerstians here, am I right?"

and...

"I'm not a bigot, but..."

My comment is that YOU don't get to define yourself as a non-bigot (or racist, as the case may be). By bringing the word up, you are introducing the topic and trying to define yourself without giving any evidence in support. I think the reactions on this thread bear out the principle but I didn't see anyone state it obviously.

"By their works ye shall know them"

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 09:53 PM

Both my wife and I have voted for the BNP in the past. We are intelligent and hard working people who pay their taxes and live within the laws of this Land. All we ask is that others do the same.

The bottom line of all this is that the UK used to be a democracy and it seems that we are moving away from this quite rapidly. We are now being controlled by a minority who feel that their opinion weighs far greater than ours and that we must be PC.

What a loads of bollocks. What the majority want, the majority should get. If we vote for immigration to stay in its present form then it should not change. However, I don't know anyone who is happy with the immigration system as it stands so changes aught to be made without the righteous calling them racist.

The reason I voted for the BNP was to fire a warning shot across the bows of political parties that will not listen to what the majority want. Of course I don't want the BNP to be in power, but something has to be done and I don't know of any other way of doing it other than becoming a politician. This I refuse to do, as I think they are a bunch of lying bastards that tell lies to try and get our votes and then, when they are in power, they do what they want, often for personal gain, without a single thought for the majority of the people or for the good and benefit of the country.

Yes the BNP is racist and no they should not be elected into power as that is what they would use their position as, power, not resposibility.

I do feel that my vote doesn't count for anything when the minority do-gooder's seem to get their way in some very important issues. This pisses me off greatly, as I am sure most people feel just as frustrated as I do.

Perhaps that is why there is a BNP Party in the first place.

Timbo

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:04 PM

another fucking racist jerk!
Timbo, and Josh, you are both so stupid, that I'll be suprised if your IQ is in double figures.

your'e both scum, and I hope your balls drop off.

john

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:06 PM

Don't hold back, jOhn.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:21 PM

What's it like to be a minority?

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:26 PM

Timbo-get back to your Playstation, come back here when you've grown up.

PS-Maybe you'd like to discuss this over a pint?
contact me anytime,
35 Chanterlands Ave,
Hull
Hu5 3TG
01482 348161.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 10:58 PM

Who wants to be grown up? Thats why we are on Mudcat isn't it?

I know you won't believe me when I say i'm not racist. But i'm not.

I work in an Internaitonal Hotel where most of the work force is from abroad and I get on well with them all. I also enjoy their company and what they have to offer this country. I also have great admiration for their commitment to find a better way of life for themselves and their families in a foreign country, that takes guts.

I travel to foreign parts as often as I can, as I do believe that travel expands the mind.

Perhaps you should try leaving Hull sometime.

Timbo.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:26 PM

Interesting that Timbo has been a member since August 18--day after friend Josh made his disappearance.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Timbo
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:44 PM

Not the same person, believe me.

Subject: RE: BS: I am not racist but I vote BNP
From: Peace
Date: 20 Aug 04 - 11:51 PM

Maybe not, but you have taken up where friend Josh left off. Now we get the admission that the BNP is racist, but even so, you vote for them.

Timbo, I have had some issues with the policies of Canada's government over the years. Canada actually had a sitting member in the House who was communist. That was in 1948 I think. However, even when I could only mar my ballot--something I have done on three occasions over the years, I could never bring myself to vote for communists, racists, fascists or any other groups like that, because if I awoke the morning after to the realization that my protest vote had actually helped get one of those type parties elected, I would shoot myself. That is the wrong way to vote regardless HOW pissed off you are with immigration policies, IMHO.