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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:00 PM The problem with the killing of al-Awlaki, the child, is that Obama just killed his father. Both of them were American citizens. Obama established his policy of "I can kill any American citizen I want" with the elder al-Awlaki, and then he killed his boy. I honestly DO suspect that Obama had a personal hand in the death of the kid. Obama's proven to be that kind of psycho. He's as nuts as Dubya. And after killing al-Awlaki, the child, Obama's office put out a lie that the kid was 21. As if murdering Americans over 21 is acceptable. And now Obama's shown he's fine with the lynching of blacks in Libya, but that's another tune. As far as who I voted for, I couldn't vote for McCain. His family's crimes are generational, and Obama DID promise to end the wars. Ending the wars would have fixed our problems internationally and domestically, but then he proved to be a liar. A murdering liar. He's a neocon, continuing the Bush/Cheney policies. And when people say they'll vote for Obama the next time around because of the horrors the Republicans are putting forward, they should be reminded that a vote for Obama is a vote for the continuation of Bush/Cheney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:07 PM "Ending the wars would have fixed our problems internationally and domestically" Might have saved a whole trillion--although I don't see how. That would leave the country 14 trillion in debt. Yippee! The only people searching for something resembling sanity at this point are supporting OWS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:10 PM As a btw, your anti-OWS posts on another thread argued by using garbage information from an ultra-right-wing site don't support your position on this thread. I think you have to decide 'which side you are on'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:19 PM Well, I'm not on the side of lies. OWS is being lied to. They're being guided by professional anarchists. To what end? To neuter them as a political force. Why tell people the protestors they're doing mighty work when in reality they're being run around in circles. YOU need to decide. OWS needs to focus on Wall Street. Effect change now or kiss it goodbye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:46 PM Oh bull... This is Lyndon LaRouche thinking... Maybe songwronger is GfinS reinvented ... SSDD... Another pissed off rightie... Who cares??? Lot of them... Our turn... Our discussion... Not yours... Get over it... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:15 AM I don't think so, Bobert. You're getting paranoid. ;-) You're starting to see GfS everywhere, the way McCarthy saw Communists everywhere. Furthermore, I do not think GfS is a "Rightie" at all, having kept an eye on the many things GfS has posted. GfS is an independent who is well aware of the knee-jerk idiocies that occur costantly on both the Left and the Right, and which lead them to waste their time endlessly dividing the world up into an "us and them" Left/Right paradym which just serves to perpetuate corrupt political frauds like the Democratic and Republican parties. You won't have a freethinking or genuinely democratic society until those 2 parties are dumped in history's trashcan, in my opinion. I do not believe they are capable of being reformed from within. They WANT you to continue believing in them...as if they were the ONLY alternatives possible. As long as you do that, they've got you right where they want you: mentally enslaved to an obsolete idea that doesn't work (except for the criminal elite at the very top of the money chain). |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 11 - 09:17 AM LOL, LH... I know that SW ain't GfinS... That was meant to be a gentle poke... As for the 2 parties??? You could have 3, 30 or 300 and it wouldn't matter as long as all it takes to get elected is enough $$$$$... That's one of the things OWS is about... Get the $$$$ out and a lot of this crap goes away... I mean, there is no reason on earth why we don't publicly fund election and give candidates equal microphone time... If that were to occur then Joe Sixpack would vote based on knowledge rather than 24/7 corporate propaganda... And, for the record... Yeah, I am paranoid... Not of GfinS, bless her misguided heart, but of Boss Hog... He is not only out to get me but the rest of the 99%... Gotta go... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 26 Oct 11 - 11:31 AM "OWS is being lied to. They're being guided by professional anarchists." And you know this how? Oh...I get it- you put 2 and 2 together and got 22. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:27 PM "Professional Antichrists" would be more exciting, wouldn't it? ;-) That would really get people's attention. I agree, Bobert, that election campaigns should be publicly funded so that all candidates get the same amount of funding from a neutral source...and that they should all get equal microphone and media time. Campaigns should also be shorter and FAR less costly than they are now. That would, indeed, make it an honest process. (It would not be in the interests of the business and banking elite to do that...nor in the interests of most of the presently elected politicians who I'm sure wish to maintain the status quo...or even increase the monetary benefits that are flowing to them from it as it exists now.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 26 Oct 11 - 01:00 PM "... publicly funded so that all candidates get the same amount of funding from a neutral source...and that they should all get equal microphone and media time." An excellent concept...once you determine how to filter out the thousands of kooks who would call themselves 'candidates' in order to get a free soapbox. There has to be a vetting process of 'some' kind...but then you immediately have to decide who gets to be a vetter. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 26 Oct 11 - 01:06 PM "There has to be a vetting process of 'some' kind...but then you immediately have to decide who gets to be a vetter." I'm sure the 1% would be willing to take care of that. Hell, they've been doing it for decades. They have experience. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 11 - 04:11 PM I want to hear the 1000 kooks, too, Bill... I mean, if they can get the required number of signatures then let 'um have their 15 minutes of fame/flame... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 11 - 04:53 PM Hey, guys...you want to hear about an electoral system that's fair and honest, that works, that is not corrupted by big money, that does NOT involve any political parties, and that would eliminate the "kooks" Bill is worried about from ever having any bearing on the process? It's in Cuba. The following article explains how it works. I have been to Cuba. I've spoken to Cubans who are very proud of their electoral system, and I know this article is true. Read it, and consider the value of the grassroots approach they are using in their electoral process. Cuban election process Cuban elections are an authentic way for people to participate in the life of the nation. The Cuban electoral processes take place from the grassroots up in the selection of those who will represent the people at all the levels of government. Local elections are organized to select the municipal delegates (city council members), and general elections take place to choose provincial assembly delegates and the members of the national Parliament. According to Cuban law, these elections are called by the Council of State with no less than 120 days notice. An element that makes the Cuban electoral system unique is the way candidates are nominated, a process in which individuals nominate those who they think should be candidates. The process is not done in the name of Communist Party of Cuba or of any other political, mass or social organization, and takes place at urban and rural community meetings where residents select the nominees by raising their hands. During these meetings, participants propose candidates for the city councils based on their merits as citizens of the community, and their capacity to act as government representatives.In each electoral district the maximum number of candidates is eight with a minimum of two. From these, people elect by secret ballot the city council representative from their neighborhood or community. The correct functioning of the electoral system resides precisely in the high participation at local meetings. This an essential element of the Cuban democracy, sustained by a government of the people, by the people and for the people, as national hero, Jose Marti, and US President Abraham Lincoln proposed. Voting is not mandatory in Cuba, but it is a right of all eligible citizens, who when going to the polls have only to show their national identity card. According to Cuban law, only the mentally disabled and persons serving time in prisons or under house arrest are not allowed to vote. Among other aspects of interest to foreign observers is the fact that 16 year olds have the right to elect and be elected and that members of the armed institutions are also able to vote. In the case of the military the right to vote is unique in Latin America, with the exception of Venezuela in 2004. The absence of military patrols in the streets on election days is something that captures the attention of visiting members of parliaments and other public figures invited to observe elections taking place in Cuba. Military personnel are not on duty at the polling stations, because school children are the ones that guard the ballot boxes. At the very moment that elections are called, electoral commissions are created at the national, provincial and municipal levels, formed by citizens known for their praiseworthy work records. The only pre-condition to be a member of the electoral commissions is to have the right to vote. Voting is voluntary, secret and direct, and vote counting is done in public. Foreign diplomats and observers can also witness the process. In order to be elected, a candidate must win more than 50 percent of the votes. Today's Cuban electoral system is very different from the one that operated here prior to 1959, when the system of voter registration allowed for "miracles" such as deceased persons voting and for others to cast more than one ballot. Elderly Cubans recall the dirty tricks used by politicians who withheld voter registration documents, where you could read a statement saying that voting was mandatory for all citizens. The ethical standards that are part of the Cuban electoral process today explicitly prohibit political campaigns to convince voters choose a specific candidate or to attack the prestige of an opponent. The delegates, who form part of the municipal People's Power Assemblies, have to provide voters with a yearly report of their activities and receive absolutely no payment for their work as council persons. The most recent electoral process to elect municipal, and provincial delegates and members of the national Parliament, ended with a voter turnout of 95.75 percent to elect the municipal and provincial delegates, and a 97.61 percent turnout when the elections for the national Parliament took place. The low abstention in Cuban elections compares very favorably with what happens in many so called First World elections. A shining example is the United States of America, where in order to elect George W. Bush as President in the year 2000, only thirty seven percent of voting age citizens went to the polls. I have discussed this election process with some very bright, well educated Cubans who are proud of their society and believe in it. They spoke to me of how they have stood up in their own community meeting and nominated the man or woman they most respected in their community...the person they had direct personal knowledge of and confidence in...and how that person sometimes did go on to be the one elected to represent the community in the local government or the national parliament. They said that only the brightest and the best get nominated, and only the brightest and the best get elected. The kooks don't make it in a system like that, Bill, because who the heck is gonna vote for them? The people who get elected are those who have already proven themselves to the majority of people in their own community. Money plays no part in that process. What plays a part is how much other people admire and respect you based on your character, your ideas, and your past achievements that have benefited the community. I've never seen a more idealistic and highly motivated people than the Cubans are...and their electoral process reflects that. Think about it. Think what a change like that could do for the honesty of OUR political process. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 11 - 04:58 PM You a commie now, 'er what, LH??? B;~) |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:04 PM Where does the 99% come from Bob? I worked out that those of us who really want to change the system are in the minority.... by at least 20% to 80%. Hawk is right, folks are not desperate enough, too many have still too much to lose. This thread should prove to you that most people still erroneously believe that the system can be repaired. It cannot....though it may return one day when our population is reduced to third world status. Continually insisting that we are a majority is really counter productive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:29 PM The 99% are the folks not in the top 1%, ake... They call it arithmetic, I think... Actually, the system can be repaired... Chances of that happening are slim but it could happen if enough people joined the OWS movement... I mean, it could get a tad messy but the framework is there for a working democracy... We just need a couple Constitutional amendments: 1. All elections will be funded with general tax revenues for any candidate who gets 5% of the voters in his or her district to sign a petition asking that that candidate name be placed on the ballot. 2. All federal and state voting districts will be drawn by an independent and international commission working under the auspices of the United Nations... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:37 PM What I saw in Cuba was not what I would call Communism, Bobert. It was more like what I would call social responsibility, community spirit, common sense, and sanity. I saw decisions being based on benefiting the common good rather than on who can secure a windfall profit out of that decision. You can run a system on greed and selfishness. That`s the present North American system. Such systems eventually fall under the weight of their own corruption. You can run a system on securing the common good. That`s the Cuban system. The fact that it is supposedly Communism is beside the point. There have been numerous Communist systems that did anything BUT secure the common good, because they were run for the benefit only of a ruthless militaristic elite at the very top. That is not the case with the Cuban system. The Cuban system has a genuine sense of public responsibility built into its social institutions and applied right at the community level, and the people feel empowered by it to affect their own destiny directly through the ballot box. That`s hardly the case here, and you can tell by the lacklustre turnout these days in Canadian and American elections. The Cuban system IS the kind of real democracy that was envisioned a very long time ago by the original founders of the USA, in my opinion. It`s community town hall politics in action...power to the people!...unpolluted by political parties, corporate lobbyists, and the use of deliberate character assassination of one`s fellow candidates as a ladder to personal power. What they are doing in Cuba puts our political process to shame. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:40 PM I know all about Cuba, LH... I had friends who went every year to help bring in the sugar cane... I have no problems with the Cuban system... It is alot fairer than what we have ... Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:55 PM Ok, Little Hawk...that IS, on paper, a sensible way to 'filter out the kooks'. It is probably even 'fairly' efficient. I would have to study the details and observe how it works in practice in various US states, but that is the basic type system I'd like to see. I do suspect that in Cuba under Castro, there were ways the system had to keep 'reformers' from getting too uppity, and I have NO doubt that places like Texas would not care for certain aspects of it. You say "The people who get elected are those who have already proven themselves to the majority of people in their own community.". I suggest that various US communities will have widely differing standards of what they support. Can you imagine how some racist Southern areas would 'adjust' that system to suit old prejudices? I also wonder just how we'd go about changing TO a 'sensible' system when so many have so much invested in defending a NON-sensible system that they already manipulate. Still, I again note that I approve of the basic concept. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 26 Oct 11 - 06:31 PM Good stuff, Bill. No system is perfect, but the Cuban system has some very good ideas about how to run an electoral process, and I wish my country and yours were doing THAT particular thing in a similar manner. I see things in many other countries which I admire...which doesn`t mean I think they are better in everything...just in that specific matter, that`s all. There`s no country which will ever be able to justly boast that it is `the best country in the world`....or `the greatest country in the world`...but one hears that vain boast from some countries! All nations have their own special gifts. What would be best is if they could learn from each other and share in the best ideas they`ve got. If so, we`d all be farther ahead. I`d like to see the influence of Big Money gotten out of North American politics. So would everyone else who posts here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Myself Date: 27 Oct 11 - 02:44 AM What the hell does this have to do with MUSIC? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Oct 11 - 03:01 AM What's it have to do with music? Nothing. I'm glad we established a BS (non-music) section of the forum. At one time, the music stuff tended to get lost amidst the chit-chat. Now that they're separate, it's OK with me. I stay in the music section mostly. I feel safer there.....usually. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 27 Oct 11 - 04:17 AM "What the hell does this have to do with MUSIC?" This has as much to do with music as your question. Joe Offer can tell you how to avoid the BS section. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 11 - 08:47 PM The black flag of Al Qaeda was hoisted in Libya yesterday as Nato formally ended its military campaign. The standard fluttered from the roof of the courthouse in Benghazi, where the country's new rulers have imposed sharia law since seizing power. Seen as the seat of the revolution, the judicial building was used by rebel forces to establish their provisional government and media centre. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055630/Flying-proudly-birthplace-Libyas-revolution-flag-Al-Qaeda.html October 27, 2011 "Press TV" -- On Thursday, 13 people were killed and several others were injured when the US military launched an attack using a remote-controlled unmanned aerial vehicle on the outskirts of Bilis Qooqaani town, which is located 448 kilometers (278 miles) southwest of the Somali capital Mogadishu. The US also launched drone strikes on the outskirts of Afmadow city, situated in the middle of the Juba region and 620 kilometers (385 miles) south of Mogadishu, on Thursday. At least 25 people were killed in the aerial attack. In addition, six people were killed in a non-UN-sanctioned US drone attack on Pakistan's South Waziristan tribal region near the border with Afghanistan. According to Pakistani officials, two unmanned aircraft fired six missiles at a vehicle traveling through Tura Gula village in the Azam Warsak area on Thursday. Three people were also killed in attacks carried out by unmanned US aircraft in southern Yemen on Thursday. A Yemeni government official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said that the drone strikes targeted Shaqra village in Abyan Province. He added that six people were also injured in the aerial attacks. The US says its remote-controlled unmanned drones only target militants. However, reports have shown that most of the people killed in the drone strikes are civilians. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article29532.htm Obama needs to be removed from office. Where are the anti-war liberals now? Obama needs to be pressured (grassroots pressure through elected representatives) to resign. This is one of the reasons that Occupy Wall Street was organized, to take attention away from the worst-performing president in U.S. history. Remove Obama now, before he unleashes drones on Americans and turns the country over to al Qeada. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:00 PM OWS wasn't organized to get Obama to resign... Maybe that what songwronger wants but I haven't heard anyone at OccupyCharolotte saying that is what OWS is about... Not one... Might of fact, in all my reading of the Washington Post that hasn't been mentioned as a goal of OWS... Leads me to believe that songwronger has his agenda and OWS theirs... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:17 PM So you speak for OWS now? You insisted that they shouldn't have an agenda, so is this why? So that you can claim their agenda to be whatever you want? OWS is a pressure valve. Anti-war Democrats should be working to remove Obama from office, to give a viable candidate a chance in the next election, but no, they're focused on "no agenda." Mad about "the 1%" but won't get specific. Meanwhile, Obama murders in your name. Do you support his killing of children? Either you do or you don't. Either you speak out about it or you keep quiet about it and thereby become complicit in the murders. Which is it? Do you approve of the killing? Do you approve of al Qeada taking control of Libya so they can lynch blacks? Either you do or you don't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:25 PM If you have inside info that OWS wants Obama to resign, spill it, songwronger... If you think that Obama's resignation would benefit America then please, I beg of you, walk us thru (in detail) how that is going to help America... I'll wait on your response... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:37 PM I suspect you've been so brainwashed by the "no agenda" agenda of OWS that you're being defensive about this. I didn't say OWS was trying to oust Obama. I said they NEED to work on that. But of course they won't because they're Soros-funded. Do you, like, put a notch on a stick for every hundred that Obama kills? Every thousand? And are you cool with the lynching of blacks in Libya? Obama made that possible. You okay with that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:40 PM Never mind answering about the killing and the lynching. You evaded the question, thereby engaging in complicity. You're okay with the slaughter of civilians and the lynching of blacks. So is Obama, which I find odd for a black Peace Prize winner. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:45 PM You suspect wrong... Where are these OWS folks who are pushing for Obama to resign??? I don't need your high-horse horse shit... The facts will do just fine... If you hate Obama, fine... That's your right and prerogative... The US has much larger problems than Obama... Obama is a side show... Why you would make Obama the focus of your hatred is your problem... Not mine... Not OWS... Them is reality... Don't like it??? Tough... Go back to what ever OWS you are at and try to get them to make Obama the BIG ISSUE... Good luck!!! B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bill D Date: 01 Nov 11 - 09:58 PM Soros funded? You wanta discuss Koch funded? Or anonymous funded because of "Citizen United"? You, 'wronger', set up so many 'straw men' in your assertions that once you define all those premises, you could argue up is down. Basic principle: "From false premises, anything follows." |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:11 PM The wondrous thing about OWS is that it is inclusive... The downside is that in doing that it get's all the wackos... Songwronger wants to pontificate and then say "never mind answering" as in "flight" from this discussion as if his/her hatred of Obama isn't the issue that I have brought up... I mean, I have been on the front lines of the civil rights movement so there is nothing that is going to mess with me at this point in my life... Not Obama haters... Not folks trying to play ballgames with OWS... I have been to every OWS event (with the exception of one) and I don't hear what songwronger thinks is what the OWS movement is about... We had folks like songwronger back in the 60s who were clueless... They had their own agendas... If we were trying to organize an anti-war demonstration we were called "pigs" by folks who were more interested in some things going down at the Phillip-Morris plant (true story)... I mean, if anyone wants to hate Obama then hate away... That's the beauty of living in this country... We have an equal-hatred country... That's songwrongers right... It's also my right to call him on it when he/she uses a movement much larger than his/her hate of Obama as his shield... OWS ain't about Obama resigning... That is fact... OWS has a much different agenda than that... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:13 PM Obama fucked both of you, and you love it. Why is that? I find the psychology curious. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:28 PM Hey, I am not in love with Obama... I see our scenario as a complete clusterfuck... Abandon Obama and get what??? "What" scares the hell out of me more than Obama... Where is Plan B??? I'm serious... where is Plan B??? If ya'll got it and think it is doable than fine... Put it out there... Until then, I'll just do my little OWS thing (drummer) and the hopes of changing enough people's thinking of corporations as our "friends" (haha) and the folks who provide us good jobs (haha)... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 01 Nov 11 - 10:50 PM Plan B is to quit buying the corporations' goddam lawn mowers, for one thing. You buy a mower and then go out and agitate for anarchy? You and I created the Obama problem and we need to fix it. Write your rep and senator. Tell them the Big O has Got to Go. I don't give two shits if you want to play drummer boy, but you have a duty to undo the mess you helped make by putting that psycho in office. But you won't do anything about that. You'll say that the mass-murdering Obama is better than the devil we don't know, and Limbaugh's out to get us and all that. Comfort politics. Signing off. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 11 - 09:43 AM Oh, quit buying stuff is Plan B... I buy responsibly because not buying is not an option for you or for me... I recycle, I grow my own food and can it, I heat partially with wood and cut and split it myself... Yes, it would be nice if we just bartered everything but this is the real world and not Alice in Wonderland... No thanks to your Plan B, songwronger... BTW, do you buy stuff??? A simple yes of no will do just fine... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 02 Nov 11 - 01:02 PM In fairness Songwronger, Obama was most unwilling to become involved in Libya...He was weak in allowing himself to be pushed by Hillary the Hawk. As far as Libya is concerned the guilty parties are the UK snd France, who bulldosed a false resolution through the United Nations. Also guilty of cowardice are the Governments of Russia and China, who refused to use their veto. I said right from the start that supporting the action in Libya was a serious mistake. Hope Bobad is happy to see the black flag, He was warned often enough. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:19 PM "My kind of loyalty was loyalty to one's country, not to its institutions or its office-holders." — Mark Twain Well I just couldn't wait to vote for Obama..so bad..almost peed my drawers, just waitin' in line....even though I knew darn well he was a lyin' son of a bitch....! But he's going to make it alright!!..or at least 'legal'.....(must be that 'Fast and Furious' thingy....sorta like the Republican's version of Hassenfus's C5-A, that got shot down runnin' guns for drugs....) Obama just hates lying.....shit, he did it before..just to be elected!! ..and all that just to protect a program started by Bush?? SENIOR!!!?? And STILL they find nothing fishy!..Quick!..Call the spin doctors!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:25 PM Ya' know what, folks... I wish I had a dollar fro every time some dumb sumabich leads yet another Obama-hate-rant with one of the two following outright lies: 1. I voted for Obama but... or 2. I'm a Democrat but... I mean, these morons must think that everyone out there is as dumb as they are to believe that utter crap... I don't even read folks crap that begin that way because if the first 4 or 5 words are an out right lie than I know what is going to follow... If you hate Obama fine... I respect that... Just don't bullshit me with lies right out of the gate... It's insulting to anyone with an IQ greater than that of a box of animal crackers... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:34 PM Well, the party starts all over again on January 10, 2012 (just two months time) in New Hampshire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Nov 11 - 05:57 PM Well, I asked for a 'SPIN DOCTOR' and look who answers the call!! You KNOW I didn't vote for that jerk, I had him clocked a LONG way back! Nor was I about to pee my drawers....but you seemed unable to distinguish 'bullshit humor', and the truth....and that explains why you still love, and DID vote for the puppet! You just didn't see his ventriloquist! ..Oh, and your spin to try to get out of 'rationalizing' this new keeping of a promise of 'transparency'...is nothing short of 'revealing'...and laughable! Now, come on now....you can 'shape shift' out of THIS one......AGAIN....(maybe you can consult with your co-operative, Don). Are you sure you two aren't on the 'payroll'?? Winking, GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 03 Nov 11 - 12:24 AM Yes akenaton the Libyan adventure was primarily French and British, but Sarkozy and Cameron didn't win the Nobel Peace Prize, dammit. Obama fired off 110 cruise missiles as an opening salvo to show his "good will" to the NATO effort. What kind of psycho would do that? And what kind of psychos would support a politician who behaves like that? The Obama supporters in the U.S. have been profoundly brainwashed. They keep clinging to the Hope and Change rhetoric and refuse to acknowledge what the guy's actually doing. Look at the Little Drummer Boy here, on this thread, talking about how there are bigger things to worry about than Obama right now. That kind of behavior shames drummer boys in kindergarten Christmas pageants all over the nation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Nov 11 - 02:40 PM Well, actually, there ARE bigger things to worry about than Obama...worry about the corporate puppetmasters who make him dance on the strings. He's just temporary. They aren't. Corporations are potentially immortal in the present legal system. And no one gets to vote either for or against them. And they normally control BOTH presidential candidates and BOTH parties through the power of their money and their business connections, so whichever party wins....the system as it is endures with little alteration in its basic approach to things, which is: Wage war, build an overseas empire through invasion and blackmail, increase domestic surveillance, conduct "false flag" attacks when necessary to get the public to support your imperial policy, export jobs, increase corporate and banking profits, reduce social services, curtail civil rights, and bail out the crooks and banksters at the top of the money chain so the rich can get richer at the expense of the rest of society. Obama is just 4 more years of George Bush, that's all. What has really changed, aside from the "friendly face" and the noble-sounding rhetoric? And how do they keep you distracted? By dividing you up into Democratic and Republican voting blocs and setting you at each other's throats every 2 years, that's how. It works like a charm. You get completely lost in the partisan battles and give all your power away to an amoral plutocracy that is loyal to nothing but its own greed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: akenaton Date: 03 Nov 11 - 04:08 PM Yes Hawk, but remember how we were villified on Mudcat for saying that before the election? Now all the Obama supporteters are flocking to the latest BIG THING....protest!.....what a joke, people like you and I have been protesting all our lives while the supporters of the system told us we were whiners This is another diversion...Its perfectly simple, people have to re-learn self sufficiency, forget political allegencies, stop creating idiotic laws and "rights"....start to demolish Capitalism, its going to take a helluva long time, so we better start quick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Don Firth Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:15 PM ". . . nattering nabobs of negativism." —Spiro Agnew Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 03 Nov 11 - 05:48 PM OWS = One BIG ASS vote against the corporations and the biggest vote going back before most of us were born... SO, Ake you and LH done your protesting time and now retired??? Uh huh??? If you are the communists you say you are then you should be a OWSWer... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Songwronger Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:14 PM Picture of a pistol on the banner above this thread's title. Hmm. Yes, there are bigger things to worry about than Obama, but it's irksome when the people who are responsible for him won't take responsibility. Obama's actions have led to the lynchings of blacks in southern Libya under the newly-installed al Qeada government there, but Democrats won't even talk about that. CAN'T talk about it because their Pavlovian conditioning won't allow it. Irksome. And meanwhile, Obama falls forward. To take our minds off the disaster that he's become, he continually gives us bigger and bigger messes that need to be dealt with. The financial mess right now, and soon WW3. Always Fall Forward when you're in trouble. Makes me think of Alec Baldwin in Glengary Glen Ross, giving his "Always be closing" lecture to a bunch of dull salesmen. Obama as Baldwin, "You want to know who I am, you son of a bitch? I'm the guy that had a twenty percent approval rating so I just bombed the shit out of Libya, that's who I am. Who the fuck are you? Always fall forward." Bush should have been removed from office for his crimes, and now Obama should be removed from office. The Bushes, Clinton and Obama have given us a presidency that's above the law, and it needs to stop. Obama just crossed the Rubicon in a big way by killing an American father-son pair in Yemen. Two different drone bombing attacks used to establish that the president can now kill indiscriminately, even American citizens, even children. Obama needs to be removed from office as an example. He's degraded the office to an unacceptable degree. Whatever other catastrophes are going on in the world will still be going on after he's gone, but first we need to remove our mass-murdering president. As a signal. |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Don Firth Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:19 PM "Obama needs to be removed from office as an example." By whom? And replaced with whom? And how are you going to bring that about? All reasonable questions. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: Bobert Date: 03 Nov 11 - 09:31 PM Songwronger hasn't thought those things thru, Don... I mean, I think songwronger has no real comprehension of history or political science or reality... Guess the long-in-the-toothers understand those things because of what we have come thru... I mean, what would this country look like if every time you turned around there was a major push to replace the president because people were pissed off over this or that... Silly me... That was what the 90's were about... The Republicans tried to impeach him even before he was sworn in... Spent $50M of our tax dollars trying to find dirt on him over White Water... Couldn't find shit... Then they lucked into Monika Lewisnski... That was pure luck so they impeached (not removed) him for a blow job??? Most expensive blow job in history... $50,000,000 of out tax dollars worth of blow job!!! I mean, lets get real here... If we aren't going to look like banana republic then we need to quit this mentality... Bush??? Different story... No blow job... Juts killed a million people... That's for the World Court... That's war crimes... Obama??? Inherited two very hot wars... He's done the best he can with the hand that Bush left him to play out... That's not on Obama... That is reality... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: I voted for Obama, but... From: GUEST,999 Date: 04 Nov 11 - 04:35 PM "If we aren't going to look like banana republic then we need to quit this mentality" Even worse is looking like a banana republic--with no bananas. |