Origins: Various songs for CD

Subject: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: Herge
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 02:41 PM

Hi
Helping a friend do some sleeve notes for a CD - any interesting facts on any of the following?

Ye Jacobites by name
Galway City (also known as spanish lady)
Bonny ship the diamond
Loving hanna
Bare legged Joe
Bonny Kells Water
Sweet Carnlough Bay
Gem of the Roe
Tunnel Tigers
The lark in the morning
Brennan on the Moor

Thanks

Pete

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 03:07 PM

It is always a good idea to say exactly which version you are singing - some of the songs you have listed occur in more than one version from more than one country. And if anyone has copyright over the words or tunes or arrangement you should credit them. Perhaps you should say from where you got your version and why you prefer it to any of the others - that will be a start.

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: Herge
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 03:12 PM

1.        Ye Jacobities by name (R Burns c1787?)
2.        Bare leg Joe: Recorded by Irish Rovers in the late 1960's about a traveller.
3.        Bonny Kells water. Another Irish Rover's song. Paddy has been singing this for the last 40 years and still enjoys it.
4.        Bonny ship diamond: A Scot's traditional whaleing song. learnt version from the singing of an Irishman called Ted McKenna around 1969.
5.        Brenan on the Moor:
6.        Galway City: This song is distilled from three songs into one! 'Dublin City', 'Spanish Lady' and a Galway version.
7.        Gem of the Roe: Song from Dungiven Co.Derry he learned from Francie and Ann Brolly.
8.        Lark in the morning:   
9.        Lezzy Lindsay: (R Burns) Long learned from the singing of the Corries.
10.        Loving Hanna: first heard this in the late 60's, an unaccompanied version by Geordie Hanna. Only recorded version I know is by Francis Black.
11.        Sweet Carnlough bay: Local song said to have been written by the 'Poet McKay'. first heard it from the Fury's, Eddie and Finbar in the early 1970's.
12.        Tunnel Tigers: (Ewan McColl) Wtitten about the digging of the Victoria Line in London.

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: Ernest
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 03:26 PM

Loving Hannah: from the family repertoire of Jean Ritchie (kytrad). There are a few threads about that song.

Have you tried to look for threads about the other songs here?

Best
Ernest
P.S. Please review your friends cd here, I am curious about it

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: Herge
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 03:36 PM

The CD is being put together for a friend who has been diagnosed with a terminal illness - he always wanted to record a CD after playing for over 40 years and never getting round to it. We had a Ceilidh evening in Jan to raise the funds and are in the studio at the moment. Are also working on the sleeve notes as well, and hope to have it finished before June. All being well.

Havent really had time to trawl through past threads yet - just hoping to pick up a few lesser known titbits from the collective wealth of knowledge of Mudcat

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 23 Apr 07 - 08:43 PM

MacColl wrote the lyrics to Tunnel Tigers but the tune is traditional. Frankie Armstrong used it for William Taylor on her album, Out of Love, Hope, and Suffering.

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: GUEST, Jim Hancock
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:40 PM

Bonny ship Diamond: Launched 1825, (I believe she was built in Dundee) Crushed by the ice in Baffin Bay winter of 1830 along with a number of other whalers including all those mentioned in the song. Amazingly all the crew survived. The song is genuine trad and I always assumed was written between those dates.
Oral Tradition has changed the Rattler to the Battler in some versions.

All the best

Jim Hancock

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: Declan
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 07:25 PM

Can't add much to the above.

I know Bonny Kells Water was sung by Andy Irvine with Planxty in the '80s. Not sure if it was recorded (maybe on Words and Music?). If your version is 40 years old it predates this anyway.

I first heard Mary rather than Frances Black singing Loving Hannah, I've a notion her source was Frank Harte, but amn't certain of that. It may well have been in the family repertoire.

Ye Jacobites by name shares a tune with the Irish Famine song "The Praties they go Small"

Is "The Lark in the Morning" a song or a tune?

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 05:27 AM

See James C. Dick, The Songs of Robert Burns (1903), where "Ye Jacobities by Name" is on p. 264 (verse & music), p. 464 (notes).

Francis James Child, The English and Scottish Popular Ballads, Volume 4 part 8 (1892), where "Lizie Lindsay" (texts only) is numbered 226 (pp. 255-266).

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 05:34 AM

LOVING HANNAH is in the DT (click here), with some links to related theads.

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 05:41 PM

Rabbie Burns version of Ye Jacobites is a rewrite, and a great improvement, from an earlier version by anon, which was pretty nasty.

Subject: RE: Origins: Various songs for CD
From: masato sakurai
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 07:31 PM

These are in the DT, too.

1. YE JACOBITES BY NAME

2. BARE LEGGED JOE

3. BONNIE KELLSWATER

4. THE BONNY SHIP THE DIAMOND

5. BRENNAN ON THE MOOR

6. GALWAY CITY

7. FINOLA THE GEM OF THE ROE

8. THE LARK IN THE MORNING

8. LARK IN THE MORNING

9. LIZZIE LINDSAY

11. SWEET CARNLOCH BAY

12. THE TUNNEL TIGERS