Professional behaviour/Wimborne

Subject: Review: Wimborne Folk Festival
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 08:21 AM

Did anyone else witness a certain top melodeon player lose the plot at the ceilidh at Wimborne FF. I thought that as a professional musician there was no need for the shouting and swearing even if he was having problems playing a particular tune. Well done to the rest of the band for keeping it together especialy Paul who managed to recover it. This was also the first time I had seen a top circuit caller stunned and shocked not knowing what to do. His face spoke volumes.
We were led to believe the musician had a damaged finger. Should he of been playing that night?

He is a great musician but I think he let himself down badly that night.
has anyone else witnessed a similar event from a folk artist.

I do wish him well and hope he reflects on his outburst.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Gedpipes
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:37 AM

What are you trying to achieve here guest chris?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:39 AM

I predict that we'll soon see.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:49 AM

Doesn't everybody shout and swaer if they screw up a une?
(Though it's best to try and avoid doing so onstage . . . )
It happened, it was recoved band recovered, it's gone.
Why mention it?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: villandeleted
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:51 AM

>>screw up a une<<

LOL what the hell is that Diane when its out :-)

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:52 AM

In fact, I shout and SWEAR when I mix up the characters on my keyboard .

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:53 AM

Think I'll stick to T . . .

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: villandeleted
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:54 AM

LOL

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 09:57 AM

If I cock a tune up halfway through, I prefer to set off explosives as a means of relieving tension. Works for me!

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:01 AM

. . . and play the mistake again next time round, but louder . . .

A certain well-known melodeon player (no idea and don't want to know if it's the same one) still remembers with horror the duff note that took off in front of 15,000 people and is still circling the stratosphere.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,Chris
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:01 AM

I am not trying to achieve anything but discussion. As I said,was it acceptable for a professional performer to lose self control? If he was playing with a hand/finger injury was that a wise thing?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:11 AM

People have bad days. If this was an isolated experience - blow it off. If it's a pattern then don't go to see that performer anymore. I would imagine that you've lost control at some point too. This performer just happened to do it on stage. Forget about it.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: TheSnail
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:14 AM

GUEST,Chris

Should he of been playing that night?

Doesn't anybody care about the English language anymore?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Surreysinger
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:16 AM

"I am not trying to achieve anything but discussion"
If that is the case, why open up two separate threads with an identical posting, but different headlines?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:20 AM

Phew, that lets me off from pointing that out first.
I think the usage of "of" for "have' is a lot worse than just missing the accidental.
(Though this is b-a-a-a-d and requires the odd "bugger").

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:21 AM

Re post above: I'm pointing out the appalling use of "of", not the duplicate thread.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:24 AM

Anyway, where's the duplicate thread?
Where's my life?
(Chases disappearing will to live).

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Gedpipes
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:32 AM

Diane. Take a chill pill ;-)
Ged

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:36 AM

. . . as opposed to trying to play something in A# minor?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: AlexB
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:38 AM

Review: Wimborne Folk Festival is the duplicate.

I fail to see how the content matches the title, probably why our Guest created a duplicate.. or not. I barely understand my own reasons for doing things, so I suppose I should not offer supposition on the motives of another.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Gedpipes
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:46 AM

go on Mad Alex go on do it!

I think he's just a sh*t* stirrer.
Cheers
Ged

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,edthefolkie
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 10:53 AM

Call that unprofessional behaviour? Try this tale from Dave Pegg of Fairport - under the heading "Seconds away", about two thirds of the way down the item.
http://www.fairportconvention.com/dave_pegg_history.php

Apparently the full bio comes out in November (Mr. Pegg's 60th)

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,ES&L
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:17 AM

"Doesn't anybody care about the English language anymore?" (TheSnail)

You yourself are on thin ice here; many would contend that your use of "anymore" is wrong and should be "any more" :-)

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:23 AM

What a pathetic thread.

Chris: Your patronising "I wish him well and hope he reflects . . . " comment thinly disguises a guess-what-I-witnessed sensationalism which tells us more about you than you realise.

IF you were really concerned then you would have (that's "of" to you) exercised discretion and allowed the incident to pass.

You didn't need to name the festival. You could have been discreet and general. I suspect you needed to nudge and wink in the direction of the identity of the "certain" melodeon player to feed your schadenfreude.

I suspect you read The Sun.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,Dot
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:26 AM

This is going to end in tears !

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:28 AM

"Let him among you who is without sin cast the first stone." JC AD 30 (approx)

"Use every man according to his deserts, and who would 'scape whipping?" WS AD 1600 (approx)

"Let it be" PM 1969 (approx)

Enough said - let's move on.

Wassail!

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:34 AM

Right let's have a medley:

Tracks Of My Tears
Cryin' In The Rain
Teardrops (or is it raindrops?) Are Falling On My Head . . .

Where's that DVD of Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid?

Where's Simon Ritchie? (Not that I'm umplying it was him. I'm quite sure it wasn't. Just that those tunes make him spring to mind).

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: TheSnail
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:39 AM

GUEST,ES&L

You yourself ?

Dubious.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,Flatback Caper
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:39 AM

<>

There was a concert promoter in Canada, now the musical director for one of Canada's major folk festivals, who refuses point blank to book Fairport on the grounds that....well he uses very "unkind" words, shall we say, to describe Mr Pegg.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:41 AM

surely namby pampy comfy bourgoise conservative 'family' folk festivals

would benefit from even more punk style on-stage shoutin & swearin tantrums..

f@ckin yeah!!!

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:49 AM

"Professional musician swears on stage"? I can't believe it. Why wasn't this on the BBC 6 o'clock news? Have these people no sense of priorities? I want to see that melodeon player interviewed by John Humphreys, bad finger or not.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:52 AM

"to feed your schadenfreude"

What's 'schadenfreude'? Not a word that's in common usage amongst we backwoodsmen. Wot's it all abaht then?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: reggie miles
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:56 AM

During one of the few concerts I've ever attended, a Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee performance, I was surprised to find them shouting obscenities back and forth at one another between songs. This was long before I had ever attached myself to any band. I now understand that there can be no harmony without discord.

All those hours, weeks, years of trying to blend and make the music pure and sweet can delay any actions that perhaps should have been taken to address certain issues that might arise of a more negative nature between band members. Bad feelings can result that can burst forth at the most inopportune time, even in mid-performance. It's never a pleasant display when that happens.

Is it professional behavior to allow such negative displays to happen in view of your public, or audience? Well, if your profession is being a pro wrestler, then I'd say yes. Certain forms of contemporary music also seem to benefit from this kind of behavior as well. I'm thinking about how certain rap personalities have badmouthed one another via song. Clever public relations have had the verbal conflicts end up on the front covers of major entertainment magazines. For those folks these public displays of conflict, whether real or generated for purely ratings sake, has led to major exposure via the PR game. That exposure translates to name recognition and name recognition is a huge part of the fame game. Fame leads to sales and can ultimately lead to those gold and platinum sales awards ceremonies. These can further lead to even more opportunities, money, fame, more awards, etc and so goes the cycle of this business.

Our modern culture seems to be fascinated with conflict, even imagined conflict. We manufacture it for our own entertainment via movies, television programs, and video games. Is it any wonder that we see it parroted back to us in real life situations that aren't controllable via some remote device?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 11:59 AM

Shadenfreude: taking pleasure from someone else's misfortune

Sorry I know it's a bit pretentious but it seemed to fit.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:02 PM

Sorry for jumping in without reading the entire thread. I read only the first submission, by guest Mick Something, and the first reply "What are you trying to achieve here?" & that was enough.
What indeed. If I had some eejit, following me around and posting it on the Internet, every time I stumbled, I'd be forced into hiding.
Some guest!
May even be a nice fellow but he certainly let himself down with this one.
Sincerely
Jim

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:04 PM

Sorry, "Guest Chris" it was. Easily forgotten.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,ES&L
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:10 PM

Snail ( :-)   )


http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:djdZHtIQe0YJ:www.webpagecontent.com/arc_archive/138/5/+%22you+yourself%22+grammar&hl=en&ct=cl

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Bernard
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:12 PM

What was, Jim?! ;o)

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,Flatback caper
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:21 PM

Jim who?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Megan L
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:27 PM

Jim Lad you should be forced into hiding. of course if you are comming in October you can skelp granny in person for that comment :)

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:31 PM

Just a wee quote from one of Bernard's earlier visits, today.......

"Dick Miles? Who is he?! ;o)"

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: TheSnail
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:32 PM

GUEST,ES&L

That site contains the phrase "your chances of making a grammar mistake" in the first paragraph. Why should I trust anything else it has to say?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:40 PM

Taking grammatical advice from anyone who says "grammar mistake" might be ill-advised.
Anyway, who was this melodeon player and which naughty words did he use? Let's have the facts.
   I think I might have said "Poo!" once(or something similar, when a string broke while I was tuning.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: stallion
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:43 PM

One possible scenario is that he didn't want to be there cos of injury and was pressured into playing (even if the pressure comes from ones self). I did it once and it was a serious misjudgement on my part, we were actually standing in for someone else who had "knocked" and i wasn't well at all, we were not as good as maybe we should have been and my reaction was to blush through the entire thing, horrible. If the person acts like a prima donna and is holier than though then by all means have a pop but on the other hand if he is an ordinary bloke then pretend you didn't hear and forgive the rant.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: GUEST,martin ellison
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:51 PM

Possible scenarios??
Are we now going into the realms of fantastic supposition?

Ok maybe he just f*cked up royally, still no reason to drag this on.

I hope that the finger is now mended and raised in dubious salute to the instigator of this thread.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:54 PM

And what does any of this have to do with folk music?

This thread was started by an individual who, for whatever reason, chose to besmirch the character of a performer. Nothing to do with "Lyrics & Knowledge".

As for grammar ... We are communicating in "Conversational English" to which the "School rules" do not apply.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:55 PM

JIM lad,who is Dick Miles,He,s a philistine.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 12:56 PM

unfortunately, I cant communicate in the Philistine language.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: Jim Lad
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 01:04 PM

I know who you are, Dick and am happy that I do.
Cheers!
Jim

Dick Miles

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 01:07 PM

Nothing to do with "Lyrics & Knowledge"

Er, no. This was live ceilidh playing with a bit of a rough patch which can be as exciting as it is infuriating if you're the one getting it wrong.
With or without a bad finger.
It wasn't a twee drawing room soirée.
Some Guest thinks it's clever to drop a few hints about the player's identity.
It isn't. It could have been anybody and I'm not saying who.
And it doesn't matter who it actually was.
Now drop it.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour
From: TheSnail
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 01:12 PM

Jim Lad

We are communicating in "Conversational English" to which the "School rules" do not apply.

In that case, it should have been "Should he uv been playing that night?"

Subject: RE: Review: Wimborne Folk Festival
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 13 Jun 07 - 04:01 PM

Chris - I only got to singing events at Wimborne and didn't hear about the ceilidh outburst. If it's the person I think you're talking about, I've known him since he was in his pushchair. He wouldn't be the first box player with a damaged finger to have behaved badly at a festival and been castigated on Mudcat for it.

If you're part of a band, and make your living from playing, it must be a difficult call whether to play with an injury or not. But shouting and swearing isn't a good career move, and I hope he rises above it.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:09 AM

I can't understand some people. this guy is hurt, he doesn't want to disappoint people who have come to see him. He does his best, but fails to meet his own high standards, and has a bit of a swear.

What kind of people are we on Mudcat? This chap who has done his best deserves our support and understanding.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 08:37 AM

I think we're quite good people here on Mudcat by and large. As far as I can only one person has had a go at the player on this thread, and it wasn't a Mudcat member (or at least she/he isn't admitting to being a member). One troll on the thread running a private and unpleasant vendetta, everyone else has rallied round the flag with support and understanding. Seems fine to me.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: stallion
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 09:09 AM

Well said Greg, I agree, not all bad, and I also agree with WLD's first bit, hells teeth we've all got the Tee shirts, time to move on.

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 12:13 PM

who cares whether he swore,are we going to bring back mary whitehouse .Dick Miles Philistine

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: Snuffy
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 04:49 PM

Dick, was it Mary Whitehouse or Bulmer who stopped you releasing of The Ballad of Phyllis Tyne?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 04:53 PM

Would that be Phyllis Tyne of Harro[gate]?

Subject: RE: Professional behaviour/Wimborne
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 14 Jun 07 - 04:59 PM

Please leave Harrow out of this!

Kitty

PS I've heard the caller swear at the dancers before now!