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Subject: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 29 Jun 07 - 03:30 PM I know, I know - but it had to be called Celtic! Starting this Sunday 1st July at 10 am EST I will be presenting a new weekly trad music show called Celtic Clanjamphry on WETS fm in Johnson City Tennessee. If you are outside their footprint you can listen on http://www.wets.org For my friends in the UK you would need to listen (on the website) at 3 pm. My interpretation of 'Celtic' will be VERY wide indeed - this will be a program of both trad and newer music with the slightest connection to things Celtic. I would really like some feedback from catters - either publically here or via PM or my e-mail - jbeck69087(at)aol.com Cheers, Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:10 PM OK - so no-one cares :-( |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: greg stephens Date: 29 Jun 07 - 05:16 PM Do English tunes come under "Celtic" in America? I am a bit confused by some classifications. I would like to send you a CD of Cumbrian tunes you might care to play, but while Cumbria means "Land of the Celts", it is in England, which some people find a bit strange, as they think Celtic and English are in some sense oppositwe. So do tell us what you mean by the word. If you are interested, PM me, and I'll send you a copy. Good luck with the programme. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Folkiedave Date: 29 Jun 07 - 06:28 PM Good luck with the programme and once I have listened I promise feedback. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:08 PM Greg - You have scored a bullseye! I will be including music from England, which of course includes a number of Celtic areas including not just Cumbria, but Northumbria, Cornwall etc, etc. I will also be including the more farflung Celtic nations (Galicia, Britanny etc) not to mention areas like Occitanie and Friuli which border on and have overlapping traditions with Celtic areas. I will also include people like Nic Jones and the Carthy/Waterson clan who regularly perform songs and ballads that most folk would categorise as Celtic. Finally I will include performances by outright Celtic performers of non-trad material (thinking of Rab Noakes' performance of 'Walkin' the Dog' and Dick Gaughan's 'Games people Play') - Then there's Michael Marra, John Watt etc. Oh, what fun! Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 29 Jun 07 - 09:11 PM Whoops - Greg, PM me and I'll give you my address to send CDs to. FolkieDave - many thanks, I need feedback so I don't end up as some kind of Celtic lift muzac :-) Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 07 - 12:41 AM Yes, OK, I'll listen on Sunday afternoon, if only to wonder at how slight a connection to things Celtic you are able to make with Nic Jones or Waterson:Carthy or Dick Gaughan performing Joe South or Northumberland or Galicia and just who are these 'most people' who categorise this stuff as 'Celtic' in the first place. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: treewind Date: 30 Jun 07 - 03:49 AM Doesn't matter, Diane. As you well know, "Celtic" is where the leftpondian listeners will have to look in ther local music store if they want to buy more music like that on CD. Jack's welcome to a copy of Fenlandia if he wants to play some of it on his programme. It's even got some Welsh tunes on it! Anahata |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: greg stephens Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:15 AM Thanks Scotus I'll get in touch. Let's not get piicky, Diane. The whole of Europe used to be "Celtic", so it still is as far as some people are concerned. I am very happy to be played on the radio, whether they call me Celtic, English or garage. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Mary Humphreys Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:43 AM I'm a Celt ( being Welsh) but sing mostly English stuff and like Greg, I don't really care a damn what they classify me under, providing people listen. Mary |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:48 AM Pah! Who were these Celts anyway? Just a load of disparate, warring tribes possibly connected only by some linguistic similarities who arrived on these islands around 500 years BC and caused mayhem and a lot of noise till the Romans arrived and sorted them out. And no, they didn't invent the bouzouki. Nowadays the word |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 30 Jun 07 - 04:58 AM As a person who was born in Eastern England there seems to be a distinct possibility that people on the other side of the Atlantic may be classifying me as a 'Celt' now. Just for the record, I'm probably not! With new advances in such fields as archaeology and genetics I'm not too sure what I am any more - let's settle for 'human being born in Eastern England' shall we? Not that I've got anything against Celts, or those claiming to be Celts, of course! Why some of my best friends claim to be Celts (although I'm not so sure that that label is entirely accurate in all cases). Hang on! ... Oh I see!! It's all about marketing and selling records, is it? Right, carry on then. PS Greg Stephens and Mary Humphreys and Anahata are very good, by the way, and highly recommended - irrespective of whether they're Celts or not. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: The Borchester Echo Date: 30 Jun 07 - 05:02 AM Oh, yes they're good. Even if Greg and Mary do think they're Celts (or think it's a good marketing ploy ;-) |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: van lingle Date: 30 Jun 07 - 09:37 AM Used to be a great basketball team, don't know what happened. Good luck Scotus, I'll be listening. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 30 Jun 07 - 10:26 AM I didn't want to start a debate about what or what isn't 'Celtic'. I'm afraid it's true that here in the US there is a tendency to label things and radio stations tend to want program(me) titles to give people an instant clue. Actually, certainly to begin with, the show will feature simply what I have in my own record collection. That's why I'm interpreting Celtic widely! I have more vinyl than CDs and quite a lot of cassettes even - so I'm doing a lot of downloading to the computer and copying to CDR in order to be able to play stuff on the radio. Oh how things have changed since I first hosted a radio show in Scotland 15 years ago - it was live then and we used turntables! The first show is very personal and pays tribute to previous trad music shows on this station as well as the show I used to present in Scotland and musicians I've been associated with. Keep the comments coming. Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 30 Jun 07 - 11:46 AM Anahata - pm me and I'll give you the address to send a copy of Fenlandia to - I'd be delighted tp play it on the show. Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: greg stephens Date: 30 Jun 07 - 01:05 PM Diane: to set the record straight, you will see from my posts in this and other threads that I really dislike the use of the word Celtic to classify music, as ytou do I think. It is ambiguous, controversial in that confuses a classification with a value judgement, and basically meaningless. I do not describe myself as a Celt without lengthy discussion about whether people mean culture, genetics or linguistics. As far as I am concerned, the only useful use for the word Celtic is to distinguish the Cornish, Manx, Welsh, Irish and Scottish Gaelic languages frpm English, German, and other Euro languages. To me, there is no such animal as "Celtic music" However, we have to face facts, and I like to be played on the radio. So if what I play is classified as "Celtic" by some people, because I am Cornish, or play Cumbrian tunes, or just because I play jigs and hornpipes, or because English folk sounds a bit like Irish folk: well, good luck to them. It's not a term I use, but I understand roughly what they are aiming for! |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: GUEST Date: 30 Jun 07 - 01:06 PM ""Celtic" is where the leftpondian listeners will have to look in ther local music store if they want to buy more music like that on CD." the Virgin Mega Record Store in Vancouver, BC, Canada actually has a section labeled English Folk, entirely separate from the rest of folk and indeed from the Celtic Section. Quite amazing really considering they're a chain store |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: treewind Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:24 PM Hurrah! the message is getting through! Anahata |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 30 Jun 07 - 06:25 PM Greg and (I think) Diane, I couldn't agree more with both of you. As I tried to explain above, I wasn't given much choice! But this is a station that has had two very good and wide ranging trad music program(me)s in the past (both of which re-broadcast shows I sent over from Heartlandfm in Pitlochry for 10 years, and both of which had the word Celtic in their names)and they allow me complete freedom in what I play on the show. So I think it's a small price to pay! I am VERY happy to accept any CDs that anyone wants to send me - just PM me for an address (this a labo(u)r of love - I don't get paid). Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: GUEST,Puck Date: 01 Jul 07 - 02:01 PM I must point out to Diane Easby that the Celts were a very sophisticated nation. They had the finest metalworkers in the known world at the time the Romans invaded these shores. In fact the reason the Romans invaded at all was because the Emperor was running short of cash and he coveted the gold found here. Today we regard druidic human sacrifice as barbaric, yet it still goes on today in different forms - suicide bombers!!! Celtic religion was based on an appreciation of nature, the turning of the seasons, and living in harmony with it and contains many things we would do well to remember in this day and age. Romans beleived in many gods. Womens place in Celtic society was as equals to men. [ It took until 1918 for women to get the damn vote in this country, and their place in society is still an issue.] Celtic women could inherit from their menfolk and make wills, become tribal leaders and good ones - as in the case of Boudicea, who through clever guerilla tactics scored resounding victories against the Romans on at least two occasions, and not many nations did that!! In contrast women in Roman society had no official standing, had to put up with their men folk having sex with other women, men and slaves as this was not regarded as adultery. Celtic women could divorce their husbands for that or for impotence, and had legal rights. As regards culture the Celts' was rich in art work, poetry [as in Taliesin}, and music, and whilst we may not have invented the bazouki, the Celts invented the CWRTH [ try googling it!!] I think the term celtic in relation to modern day music is not accurate. I would not describe the Watersons' as being celtic style music nor Nic Jones for that matter, but I am prepared to be educated differently if someone can explain why they should be regarded as such. I am not having a go at Diane as just seeking to set the record straight, and yes I am a bit biased being Welsh and very proud of my Celtic heritage. Pee |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: The Borchester Echo Date: 01 Jul 07 - 02:37 PM I must point out to Diane Easby that . . . Must you? [yawn] I am not having a go Yes you are. I know quite a lot about Celts, and enough about Celtic music to know that there is more to it than bleedin' Enya, new-agey, wifty-wafty crap and out-of-time bodhráns, racing tenor banjos and fretted fiddles. The Celts were not a united nation but a disparate collection of warring tribes with not a lot in common. The provisional wing of Irish Celts could easily have invented the bazooka for all I know but as for the bouzouki, Johnny Moynihan and Andy Irvine each brought one back from their hols in Greece, so no. I know quite well what a cwrth is without the need to google it, being familiar with the work of Robert Evans of the band Bragod who has revived this instrument and plays it in Pythagorean tuning. I am not going to 'educate' you into thinking that the music of the Watersons and Nic Jones is 'Celtic' As far as I am concerned it is nothing of the sort though I am quite sure there is someone around here who could and would attempt to do so. More to the point, did anyone listen to the broadcast? |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 01 Jul 07 - 09:09 PM I feel quite uncomfortable about setting this particular hare running, but I suppose I only have myself to blame! The 'Celtic' label gives me serious problems too. The trouble is that I'm a Scot and my 'datum line', I suppose, is the music that I was surrounded by as a youngster, both in my family setting and the Scottish folk revival of the late 50s and early 60s. I LOVE traditional music from pretty much anywhere; I toured all round Europe with a folk band during the 80s and 90s and heard wonderful music from France, Italy and central Europe (actually - Britanny, Occitanie, Friuli, Calabria and Slovakia). I've toured in the US since the mid 80s and lived here for 5 years and love old-time music. I hear connections between all of these but also love what makes them special and unique. I also love what is described as English music and have the same mixed feelings about that! As for Carthy/Watersons and Nic Jones - all I said was that SOME of the songs they sing could be described as Celtic (meaning Scottish or Irish - whoops, there I go again). I actually love how Nic interprets Scots songs and ballads; I can't think of anyone who does a better or more sympathetic job. Finally - did anyone listen to the first program(me)? Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 01 Jul 07 - 10:06 PM I suppose I should have said any 'any non-Scot who does a better - - - -' Come to think of it - - - Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: treewind Date: 02 Jul 07 - 11:49 AM Call it Celtic or not, there's 3 CDs in the mail for you, Jack! Anahata |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 02 Jul 07 - 02:47 PM Many thanks Anahata - look forward to hearing them! I've had a number of generous people PM me and offer CDs - keep them coming. Jack |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: The Borchester Echo Date: 08 Jul 07 - 11:08 AM Listening to the second programme now. Is there a replayer, or even a playlist archive? Can't yet find one. It's a very relaxed and informative presentational style but just a bit overbearingly Scottish (which is scarcely surprising, given the presenter's provenance). But what's instantly striking is how retro it is. The most recent track so far has been one from Malinky, and even that had Karine Polwart on lead vocals and it must be at least two years since she left. I waited in vain for Croft No 5, Peatbogs, Shooglenifty, Kris Drever or indeed anything that's happening now in Scotland. Ireland got a tiny look-in with an ancient track from Irvine/Brady and (good grief) The Chieftains. Oh well. Maybe it'll be Susana Seivane and Kepa Junkera are scheduled for next week? |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Jim Lad Date: 08 Jul 07 - 12:12 PM Sounds like it was a great show, Scotus. |
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Subject: RE: New Celtic music radio prog. From: Scotus Date: 08 Jul 07 - 12:46 PM Well - it IS a very personal and subjective choice Diane - and I'm a bit of an old fogie, hence the number of old fogies played. As for being overly Scottish, if you continue to listen you'll hear stuff from all over the place - not just Scots and Irish. Today I played items by Sheila Stewart and Jock Duncan - I suppose they're a bit 'retro', now that I think of it :-) Actually I don't think there's much wrong with playing older recordings, but I promise I will try to include newer stuff as I can afford to get it. I'm going to be back in Scotland in September and Ian Green has promised me a Greentrax 'lucky bag'! Thanks for listening though - and I did ask for feedback - thanks for that too. Jack |
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