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Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Abel Smith Date: 21 Mar 18 - 02:12 AM c u soon racoon c u soon baboon hear u soon bassoon. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Trudi Date: 13 Nov 15 - 06:43 PM Anyone know words to I'm a Jumping Jack. My dad used to say it with actions |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 03 Nov 12 - 11:05 AM Greetings! I decided to publish a page on my Cocojams cultural blog that focuses on the early examples of Puddin Tane. The hyperlink to that page is http://cocojams.com/content/early-examples-childrens-rhyme-puddin-tane "Early Examples Of The Children's Rhyme "Puddin Tane". Most of that blog page features examples from this Mudcat discussion thread. Citations and a hyperlink to this page is given on that Cocojams page. I've extracted those entries from this discussion thread which I started in 2007 and presented those examples in chronological order by the rhyme's date as a means of making those examples & the information about them easier to read. My thanks to all those whose examples & comments are re-posted on that cocojams page. Also, click this link to my cultural blog http://pancocojams.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-alley-kats-puddin-tain-sound-file.html for a post that features a sound file and the lyrics of the 1962 doo wop song "Puddin Tain" by the Alley Kats and a sound file of the 1962 cover of that song by The Kit Kats. Best wishes! Azizi Powell |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Joe_F Date: 02 Nov 12 - 06:35 PM In my youth (1950s), I seldom heard & never used "poontang", but its primary meaning was a *black* woman considered sexually. So listed in Spears's _Slang and Euphemism_ (1981). So it is racist as well as vulgar, and I hope "puddin' tane" (which I know from childhood, 1940s) has nothing to do with it. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Reader Date: 02 Nov 12 - 12:13 PM @ Jeri, I'd resist the urge to copy and paste or rely in any way on Wikipedia or (gasp) "urban dictionary". I'm not going to type the meaning or etymology for the word here. It obviously has a different meaning or conation depending on if the word is being used by whites or the native speakers of the language. The word I can imagine MAY have traveled to the Philippines since many native African-Americans served there in the military and many had children with those soldiers. I won't go into how it would come to mean "whore" there, though I'm not surprised if it does. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Carla White Date: 30 Aug 12 - 01:40 PM What I remember, this was Rhode Island in the 50s, was the rhyme: What's your name? Puddintane. Where do you live? Down the lane. What's your numba (Rhode Island)? Cucumba. I was looking for the next question! |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Scooter Date: 06 Mar 12 - 08:51 PM I have a book, titled OL' MAN ADAM AN' HIS CHILLUN, written by a Roark Bradford in 1928. The passages are written similarly to the title, in a broken dialect, that of the slaves. It is filled with bible stories though these might set one back on their heels to read as it is written from a white mans perspective of the black man telling the stories, in 1928. I am perusing the book for this saying (Puddin tane) as I too was brought up hearing this and have no idea of it's origin. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Patience Date: 07 Sep 11 - 03:43 PM When I was a child, my Dad would teach me to say: What's your name? Puddin' Tane. Where do you live? Down the lane. What's your number? Cucumber. What do you eat? Bread and meat. Hence, my Dad and one of the next door neighbors always used to call me "Puddin'". |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Erik Date: 19 Nov 10 - 06:22 PM OK here's our variation: What's your name? Puddin Tane, ask me again and I'll tell you the same. Where do you live? Down the lane. What's your number? Cucumber. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Schyler Date: 11 Oct 10 - 02:46 AM I remember this from a song my sibling, friends, and I sang when we was in a kid. It went: What's your name? Puddin' Tane. Where do you live? Down the lane. What's your phone number? Cucumber. What'd you eat? Pigs feet. What'd you drink? A bottle of ink. I believe there was also a part after saying "A bottle of ink" where we said "to make you stink" or something like that. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 29 Apr 09 - 07:23 AM I'm taking the liberty to repost this example from this Mudcat thread: thread.cfm?threadid=94034&messages=263 : Subject: RE: Origins: Down by the Banks of the Hanky Panky From: Jim Dixon - PM Date: 11 Apr 09 - 05:39 PM The quote from McDougal reminds me of a parallel smart-alecky reply: "What's your name?" – "Puddentain. [However you spell it.] Ask me again, I'll tell you the same." I learned that from a "Little Rascals/Our Gang" comedy that was shown on TV when I was a kid in the 1950s. (Who said it? Stymie?) – but it goes back at least to – From The Beulah Spa (a play) by Charles Dance (London: John Miller, 1833): MAG. ... What is her name? HEC. Pudding and tame—if you ask me again I shall tell you the same. (Sorry for the thread creep.) -snip- The statement about a quote from McDougal was in reference to an early form of the "Down By The Banks of the Hanky Panky rhyme. Thanks Jim! |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Young Buchan Date: 07 Oct 07 - 04:00 PM As children in Suffolk, if someone asked 'What's your name?' we always eplied Puddeny Crane, from a rhyme which I always assumed was widespread, but may not have been, since I tried googling various bits of it and didn't get a huge response: What's your name? Puddeny Crane Where do you live? Down the lane What do you keep? A little shop What do you sell? Candy floss [or sometime lollipops] |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Guest Elonil Date: 07 Oct 07 - 12:39 PM "Snitch, snitch fell in a ditch. Found a penny and thought he was rich." From St. Louis/St. Charles Mo. area 1930's-50's |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Kent Davis Date: 06 Oct 07 - 10:56 PM In South Carolina, around 1967, our childish response to "Hey!" was "Hay is for horses." In Southeastern Ohio, this year, my older child heard a more elaborate response from her friends, "Hay is for horses, straw is cheaper, but grass is free. Get a farm and you can have all three." Who else has heard a variant of this? Kent |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Rowan Date: 27 Sep 07 - 12:41 AM The bits from jeffp and Open Mike You remind me of a man. What man? The man with the power. What power? The power of hoodoo. Hoodoo? You do. Do what? Remind me of a man. What man? etc. and That's Life. What's Life? A magazine. How much does it cost? Twenty-five cents. I've only got a dime. (shrug) That's Life. What's Life? etc. were also heard around Melbourne in the 50s except that the magazine one didn't use dismal guernsey; as I recall, the price was "Three bob" and the response was "I've only got a deena." And the antiphon/response of "See ya later, alligator. After a while, crocodile." above was always "See ya later, alligator. In a while, crocodile." although the added response of "Not so soon, you big baboon." did appear at some stage in the 60s. Ian Turner's book of children's playground songs "Cinderella dressed in yella" (1969? and out of print now) has a huge number of such sayings (including most of the ones mentioned above) but has no reference to any of the versions of Puddin' Tane. The only time I ever heard of "poon" in Oz was among a particular group of students in Canberra in the early-mid 60s. "He's a real poon!" was used in the same sense as "He's a real dill!" I have no idea of how or why it appeared although JFK's presidency, well perused in Oz, may have had some connection. Cheers, Rowan |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Melissa Date: 26 Sep 07 - 06:25 PM There have been times in history when it was unwise to let many folks know your name. M |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST Date: 26 Sep 07 - 12:33 PM Just came in on an ongoing discussion.... We used to chant (many years ago): What's your name... Puddin Tame Where do you live? Down Cucumber Lane Ask me again, and I'll tell you the same. sbd |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Sep 07 - 10:18 AM Post corrected for typo's: Regarding the "none of your business" angle on this upthread... In another thread once I wanted to know what the "Owl Hoot Trail" was, in a cowboy song. I was told it was a common way of saying something like, "This cowboy isn't fixin' to answer that rude question, pilgrim!" In that vein, Hardi and I were on vacation one year, camping-- where it's not considered polite to ask where people are from or headed for, what they do for a living, etc., unless the person volunteers it..... and in this vacation I'm remembering, a group of little girls lacking adult attention in the swimming lake just would not leave us alone-- their moms were sunning themselves in company with other young moms and these ladies were paying zero attention to their lonely kids. "What's your name?!?" the girls would demand, as if they were at the school playground (where that IS a good way to make a new friend). To satisfy their curiosity but maintain campers' privacy, I'd make up hard-to-pronounce fake names. Every day there was a new group of this lonely sort of kids. One day they were so insistent that the name I gave (in frustration), was something like "Esmeralda Vagina." I guess I hoped they'd go home, tell their moms the name of the nice new lady they'd "met," and the moms would realize they oughtta keep their kids closer in the scary world of random adults out there. (These lonely kids must be easy pickings for pedophiles.) So when I read, upthread, about the idea of "poontang" as a generic given name-- in some wordless way, I understood that connection to my own experience! :~) ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: wysiwyg Date: 17 Sep 07 - 09:30 AM Regarding the "none of your business" angle on this upthread... In another thread once I wanted to know what the "Owl Hoot Trail" was, in a cowboy song. I was told it was a common way of saying something like, "This cowboy isn't fixin' to answer that rude question, pilgrim!" In that vein, Hardi and I were on vacation one year, camping-- where it's not considered polite to ask where people are from or headed for, what they do for a living, etc., unless the person volunteers it..... and in this vacation I'm remembering, a group of little girl lacking adult attention in the swimming lake just would not leave us alone-- her mom was sunning herself in company with other young moms and these ladies were paying zero attention to their lonely kids. "What's your name?!?" the girls would demand, as if they were at the school playground (where that IS a good way to make a new friend). To satisfy their curiosity but maintain campers' privacy, I'd make up hard-to-pronounce fake names. Every day there was a new group of this lonely sort of kids. One day they were so insistent that the name I gave (in frustration), was something like "Esmeralda Vagina." I guess I hoped they'd go home, tell their moms the name of the nice new lady they'd "met," and the mons would realize they oughtta keep their kids closer in the scary world of random adults out there. (These lonely kids must be easy pickings for pedophiles.) So when I read, upthread, about the idea of "poontang" as a given name-- in some wordless way, I understood that connection to my own experience! :~) ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 17 Sep 07 - 07:46 AM Correction: "Hey, how could I forget "What's the word? Thunderbird!" ** Thanks to all those who have posted to this thread thus far {and to those who may still post to this thread} !!!! |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: MystMoonstruck Date: 17 Sep 07 - 02:54 AM In these parts, kids in the late Fifties and Sixties said this: See ya later, alligator. After a while, crocodile. Not so soon, you big baboon. The last line wasn't said in a mean way, rather a joking, laughing way. In our family, it was Puddin Tane. At least, that's what it sounded like to me. See you around if you don't turn square. That's another Fifties/Sixties I remember. My parents also said, "Sleep tight, and don't let the bedbugs bite." It's not a rhyme, but my dad often said this as we passed silos or circular structures: "Run into the roundhouse, dear! He'll never corner you there!" Someone told me this is from an old song, but he never sang it. I didn't see this one: I see London! I see France! I see ...'s underpants! Liar, liar, pants on fire! Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me! An apple a day keeps the doctor away. Red skies at night, sailors delight. Red sky in the morning, sailors take warning. I've heard practically everyone in my family use the lines above at some time. I'm not sure where we got started on this. My dad was the only sailor. Maybe they read it in the Farmers Almanac. I really don't know. Fill in the names: ... and ... sittin' in a tree -- K-I-S-S-I-N-G! First comes love, then comes marriage, Then comes ... with a baby carriage! I think this also was a jumprope rhyme, but even today it's used when affection is observed. I recall Jack McFarland on "Will & Grace" starting to recite this one but getting bogged down on the spelling part. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: open mike Date: 16 Sep 07 - 10:42 PM it is "TAME" here is another: "You remind me of a man." "What man?" "The man with the power." "What power?" "The power of Hoodoo." "Who do?" "You do." "Do what?" "Remind me of a man." "What man?" "The man with the power." "What power?" etc..... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 16 Sep 07 - 07:27 PM Hey, how could I forget "What the word? Thunderbird!" Thanks, Lighter. And thanks also for those examples from "Songs and Sayings of an Ulster Childhood". It's interesting that so many of these children's rhymes are found in the USA and the UK {and elsewhere} before the internet age. However, people did travel and communicate with each other way back then. Communicating overseas just wasn't done as fast as we're doing it now. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Lighter Date: 16 Sep 07 - 06:54 PM Alice Kane was born in 1908 and grew up in Ulster. Her book, Songs and Sayings of an Ulster Childhood, written with Edith Fowke, includes the following: "What's your name?" - Mary Jane. "Where do you live?" - Down the lane. Her mother knew, "What's your name?" - Curds and cream' (pronounced crame) "What they call you?" - Pudgy dolly. I suppose "call ye" sort of rhymes with "dolly." Here in the States, Thunderbird wine (powerful and inexpensive)was marketed in the late '50s with the phrase, "What's the word?" "Thunderbird!" |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 16 Sep 07 - 10:57 AM I see that I left out the word "with" in one of the sentences I wrote in my most recent post to this thead. Since the addition of that word slightly improves that sentence, or at least makes its meaning a little clearer, here's that corrected sentence as well as the next sentence in which I tried to make my main point. "Though I don't have any personal knowledge of this, I've read where some boys {and I guess some girls, too} used to respond to verbal putdowns {like I suppose Puddin Tame/Tane is} with witty insult exchanges like the dozens. I'd rather children and teens {and adults for that matter} show off their quick thinking and verbal skills than see situations so quickly escalate into fist fighting and much worse. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 16 Sep 07 - 10:35 AM Thanks, kytrad for posting that version of Puddin Tane! I also appreciate you adding your comments and including where, when, and how this rhyme was used. I'm especially interested in your recollection that this rhyme was used to trick people into saying "look like a fool" so others could then have a laugh. I guess that some people might not have liked being laughed at but maybe he or she realized that it was all in "clean" fun and he or she laughed right along with the others. Has humor become more malicious nowadays? {This is mostly a rhetorical question}. It seems to me that humor has become less "clean". I'm talking about the intent and not just the words. Maybe in smaller communities, where people knew each other and therefore knew that the people making the joke liked him or her, a person could more easily laugh along with the fact that he or shewas the target of the joke. Maybe there are other reasons why these days children are too quick to consider something a personal slight. Kids might even get on a set {get angry} if they think that someone is looking at them. And then they may feel that in order to save face, they have to quickly retaliate with physical violence. Though I don't have any personal knowledge of this, I've read where some boys {and I guess some girls, too} used to respond with a verbal putdown {like I suppose Puddin Tame/Tan} is witty insult exchanges like the dozens. I'd rather children and teens {and adults for that matter} show off their quick thinking and verbal skills than see situations so quickly escalate into fist fighting and much worse. ** Btw, Jean, I noticed that the word you used for Puddin's last name {if indeed Puddin Tame is a name} was "tame" and not "tane" as I remember saying it. Well, tame definitely rhymes with "name" and "same" better than "tane" does. The word/name "tane" may indeed be a corruption of the word/name "tame". ** NormanD, thanks for sharing that information about that recording of "Puddin' 'n' Tain" by The Alley Cats band. I'll have to check it out! ** gargoyle, I'm never sure whether you're serious or joking {maybe that's a good thing}. Be that as it may, the example you gave isn't the kind of rhyming exchange that this thread focuses on {the kind where one person says a line, and another person responds with a line whose end word rhymes, or sorta rhymes}. But thanks anyways -I think {therefore I am} :o) |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: kytrad (Jean Ritchie) Date: 15 Sep 07 - 06:10 PM Well I'm older than all of you, and our KY mountain village was quite isolated until just after the turn of the last century, early 1900s, thereabouts. We had never heard the word 'poontang,' but we did have the rhyme under discussion. Here's how it goes: What's your name? Puddin & Tame Where d'you live? Up the lane Where d'you go? Go to school What d'you sit on? Sit on a stool What d'you look like? Look like a fool! There may have been one or two other rhymes in there- can't remember it all just now. It was said only for the fun of the rhyming, and sometimes for tricking someone into saying, "look like a fool," when all the gang would laugh at the joke. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 14 Sep 07 - 10:29 PM Jump Rope Verse - Western USA 1980
(rope is swung high, over a single swinger's head)
(outside participants proceed to make "guns" with fingers and shout "bang bang." Rope is lowered to a horizontal position about six inches above the ground as "Swinger" turns and "Participants" jump over the circling rope.
Sincerely,
Learned this one today. Obviously copyrighted for more information consult Pirate Byrd's Eye.
Just joking folks...it is obviously Pubic Domain....as is...all of his royal's bird-poop. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: NormanD Date: 14 Sep 07 - 01:26 PM There's a GREAT rockin' variation of this song ("Puddin' 'n' Tain") by a band called The Alley Cats from 1962, produced by Phil Spector. It's available on one of the Spector box-set compilations. Now I know what the song is about (kind of). Norman |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 13 Sep 07 - 10:05 PM Thanks, Maeve, for asking your mother about this subject and for posting that information about when she remembers the "Puddin Tane" rhyme and why she remembers it was said. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: maeve Date: 13 Sep 07 - 09:53 PM My mother grew up in very rural Edgefield, South Carolina. She used to respond with, "Puddin' n' Tane, Puddin' n' Tane, ask me again and I'll tell you the same." She says it was used to be mean (as in an answer to a new student at school asking your name), or occasionally just to be a bit fresh. This would have been in the 1920s-1930s. She couldn't think of any other rhymed responses. maeve |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 13 Sep 07 - 08:42 PM You guys* are crackin me up! Thanks for the chuckles! [substitute "gals" or "gal and guy" or "you two" if "guys" doesn't apply] |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Snuffy Date: 13 Sep 07 - 05:56 PM What shop Lollipop Drat You Bryn Pugh That's the line I couldn't remember, so I replaced it with ... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Bryn Pugh Date: 13 Sep 07 - 10:43 AM Drat you, Snuffy - this was the version I learned in the playground in 1949, except after 'What street ? Pigs' feet' I seem to remember 'What shop ? Lollipop'. Only teasing, didn't mean drat. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Snuffy Date: 13 Sep 07 - 04:06 AM What's your name? Mary Jane Where d'you live? Down the grid? What house? Mickey Mouse What number? Cucumber What street? Pig's feet ... |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 12 Sep 07 - 11:57 PM Two for the price of one! The video link I posted has Marvin Gaye singing "What's goin on" and What's happenin brother". ** Also, I just thought of another contemporary saying in that family of greetings- "What's Up?" If somebody asks me that, soometimes I say "the sky". True, it's not rhyming. But it's at least tryin to be witty. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 12 Sep 07 - 11:42 PM Okay. I figured out what was wrong. Here's how it's supposed to go: First person: What's the word? Second person: Mockin bird. ** And of course, "What's the word?" means the same thing as "What's happenin?" and "What's the news?" and "What's goin on?" But "What's goin on?" beats all the rest in the song department, thanks to Marvin Gaye's soulfully deep take on this colloquial expression: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiZC_WrCqKk |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 12 Sep 07 - 10:43 PM I wrote this exchange earlier in this thread: First person: What's the word, mocking bird? Second person: What I said, cabbage head. After I wrote it, I thought something about wasn't quite right. And-for no reason I can pin down-it just occurred to me that the real way that exchange went was: First person: What you mean, jellybean? Second person: What I said, cabbage head. So here it is, fwiw. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 02 Sep 07 - 08:17 AM leeneia, I did not indicate nor did I mean to imply that Puddin Tane and those other questions/responses sayings/rhymes orignated among African Americans. This may be true, but I'm not certain that anyone could prove it if it were true. What I did say was that "Puddin" is used among African Americans as a nickname. I then cited other African American "sugar" nicknames. I didn't say this, I will do so now, I'm certain that African Americans aren't the only people to use these nicknames. ** However, I will say that this question/response type rhyme is very similar {or maybe they are a variant form of?} call & response patterns. And a great deal of research has shown that call & response is a signature of music from Africa and the African Diaspora. That said, there are music forms which aren't from Africa and the Africa Diaspora that use call & response patterns. ** I also want to say that I'm not certain if there is any connection whatsoever between the word "poontang" and the name "Puddin Tane". If there is, I doubt that very many people {children especially} who have recited or who presently recite that rhyme knew or know about the meaning of "poontang" or that it may be connected in anyway with "Puddin Tang". I know that I didn't know that word "poontang" before reading about as a result of online searches about this subject. I also know that there are a number of words and phrases that sound alike or sound very similar and are spelled alike or very similar that have completely different etymologies. "Puddin Tane" and "poontang" may be examples of this. ** Also, I wasn't aware before opening this thread this morning that the comments from the Depression era thread about Puddin Tane were combined with this thread. Prior to starting this thread, after I found more information about Puddin Tane, and expanded my inquiry to other question/response rhymes and sayings, I used the Mudcat search engine to look for any pre-existing threads or posts about Puddin Tane, and "See ya later alligator". As I indicated in my initial post {and as I reiterated in my 01 Sep 07 - 11:03 AM post to this thread, I found posts from 2005 that other people and I had shared on the topic of Puddin Tane, and other queston/response folk sayings/rhymes. {As you will note I provided hyperlinks to all of those entries that I had found}. Though I considered doing so, I did not post the information & examples that I had subsequently found in either the I'm Rubber, You're Glue thread or the Depression Era Children's Songs thread for the reasons I stated in my initial posts. Another reason why I did not post the additional information about Puddin Tane that I had found in that Depression Era Children's Song thread was that I didn't want anyone to think that I was trying to hijack that thread. I am grateful that Mudcat exists to provide a forum for its members and guests to share examples, comments, and information about topics that we as individuals believe are interesting and which we believe may be of interest to other folks as well. I certainly have learned a lot as a result of being a part of this online community. Thanks again for your postings to this thread! Best wishes, Azizi |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:10 PM 1. I heard the Pudding Tane rhyme in Chicagoland as a kid. To us, it was just something that rhymed. We had never heard of poontang, and the verse had no connection with black people. 2. My husband and I have our own rhyme: Hi, cutie! Hi, beauty! He's cutie; I'm beauty. Which just goes to show that truly love is blind. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Joe_F Date: 01 Sep 07 - 09:25 PM Spring is coming. He is? Not "he is", "it is". It is what? It is coming. What is coming? Spring is coming. He is?... Good night. Sleep tight. Wake up bright By morning light To do what's right With all your might. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 01 Sep 07 - 03:26 PM "The crocodile" in folklore goes way back to the "half horse, half alligator" brag talk of the 18th century---and earlier. I did see a written discourse on the lineage;---I might even have it. These days I have no room to keep stuff I don't figure I'll read again---so it may be a part of an earlier pot-latch moment of mine. Such is life. Art |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: van lingle Date: 01 Sep 07 - 01:32 PM Interesting thread, Azizi. A few decades ago I first heard the term Putin' tane (that's what it always sounded like to me) used by my African American friends to denote pudendum and always assumed it was a corruption of that word. "...Grits ain't Groceries, And Mona Lisa was a man." Was used by Little Milton in his song "Grits ain't Groceries". |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: jeffp Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:46 AM When I was younger, my dad used to send us to bed with, "Good Night, sleep tight, don't let the bedbugs bite." |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:36 AM By searching online, I found out that the phrase "See You Later Alligator" was the title and refrain in this Bill Haley & The Comets song: SEE YOU LATER ALLIGATOR Well, I saw my baby walkin' with another guy today Well, I saw my baby walkin' with another guy today When I asked her what's the matter This is what I heard her say See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile Can't you see you're in my way now Don't you know you cramp my style When I though of what she told me, nearly made me lose my head When I though of what she told me, nearly made me lose my head But the next time that I saw her Reminded her of what she said See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile Can't you see you're in my way now Don't you know you cramp my style She said I'm sorry pretty baby, you know my love is just for you She said I'm sorry pretty baby, you know my love is just for you Won't you say that you'll forgive me And say your love for me is true See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile Can't you see you're in my way now Don't you know you cramp my style I said wait a minute 'gator, I know you meant it just for play I said wait a minute 'gator, I know you meant it just for play Don't you know you really hurt me And this is what I have to say See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile See you later alligator, after 'while crocodile Can't you see you're in my way now Don't you know you cramp my style -snip- I very much doubt that Bill Haley coined this phrase. It's far more probably that it had existed long before this song and Haley used it in his song. Does anyone have the recording date for this song? |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Jeri Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:25 AM I think some slightly similar sounding terms got mixed together, and I don't think they're related. I can't prove it, and I may very well be wrong. I heard the 'Puddin' Tane' rhyme when I was a kid, too. Poontang isn't a word that fits in a kids' rhyme. Poontang was a word I heard from the Vietnam vets I worked with when I first started in the Air Force. I had to get past the, "Oh, no - I can't tell you. It's too rude" stage before they'd talk. It's pretty funny how far a vulgar term can travel when it's so unfamiliar people don't know it's vulgar. People get fooled into thinking it's a 'nice' word and it squeaks right by censors. From the Urban Dictionary: Poontang (just the first entry): Function: noun Inflected Forms: plural - poontang; abbreviated - poon Alternate Spellings: puntang Etymology: Filipino (Ilokano dialect) putang (whore, fuck) 1: female genitalia 2: sexual intercourse 1: Her poontang was the warmest and silkiest I had ever fucked. 2: I need to get some poontang while I'm down there in Cancun. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:22 AM Also, Joe Offer referred folks to this other online source "What They Say In New England: A Book Of Signs, Sayings, and Supersitions" by Clifton Johnson. http://books.google.com/books?id=DYQmAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA174&lpg=PA174&dq=%22what's+your+name%22+%22tell+you+the+same%22&source=web&ot That book includes this example on page 176: Rhymes and Jingles} Question: What's your name? Answer: Pudden Tane Question: What's your other? Answer: Bread and Butter. Question: Where do you live? Answer: In a sieve. Question: What's your number Answer: Cucumber |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:14 AM The following examples are from this resource: Western Folklore, Vol. 13, No. 2/3 (1954), pp. 190-198 - "Children's Taunts, Teases, and Disrespectful Sayings from Southern California," by Ray B. Browne. {h/t to Joe Offer for pointing out this article in his post on Mudcat's "Depression Era Children's song" thread} [Note: the numbers ascribed to these examples by the article's author] 27a. What's your name? Pudd'n Tame. Ask me again And I'll tell you the same. 27b. What's your name? Pudd'n Tame. Where do you live? Down the lane. Ask me again And I'll tell you the same. [footnotes: from California, also from Alabama, ca. 1935; cf. Musick, 432; for one version same, and one: "What's your name / John Brown / ask me again / and I'll knock you down."] 27c What's your name? President Monroe Ask me again And you still won't know. -snip- Also, though it is part of another "family" of rhymes, I thought this example from that article was "cute": 28c What time is it? Ten to Ten to what? Ren' to your own business. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 01 Sep 07 - 11:03 AM As I mentioned in my initial post to this thread, other examples of these types of two person rhyming sayings that are found in the I'm Rubber Your Glue thread whose link is provided in that first post. Particularly, see these posts: Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes From: Snuffy - PM Date: 24 May 05 - 07:16 PM ** Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes Jerry Rasmussen - PM Date: 24 May 05 - 10:50 PM ** Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes From: GUEST,WYS - PM Date: 24 May 05 - 10:36 PM -snip- Also, see this post from the Depression Era Children's song thread: GUEST,.gargoyle - PM Date: 01 Sep 07 - 02:59 AM ** Incidently, in that Depression Era Children's Song thread, Joe Offer posted links to two online pages that include examples of "Puddin Tame". I'll share information from those resources in my next post to this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Puddin Tane & Other Rhyming Sayings From: Azizi Date: 01 Sep 07 - 10:55 AM Here's a repost of some examples of these two person sayings/rhymes that I shared in another Mudcat thread: Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes From: Azizi - PM Date: 24 May 05 - 09:09 PM ...When I was growing up in New Jersey in the 1950s I remember hearing and saying: "What's your number? Cucumber". [and] Where you live? In a sieve. -snip- This pattern of short rhyming sentences is very much a part African American [and others] oral tradition. Here's some additional examples of jive talk used by children, youth,and adults: See ya later, alligator. After while, crocodile? **** What's the word, mocking bird? What I said, cabbage head. **** If I'm lyin I'm flyin. [and] grits aint groceries and Mona Lisa is a man. |
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