Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST Date: 04 Oct 07 - 12:06 PM sorry, Richard I thought you said you were offering some ducks for a coat....*LOL* anyway...that feeling of chain yanking will not dissipate....and this e-mail, of course, was not signed....anyway....up yours on a bread roll with mustard, Good Luck In Trying to Imitate Us... |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Richard Bridge Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:45 AM Hmm, perhaps it was Irish music and the tinkers stole it (ducks for coat, and runs.....) |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:32 AM "First off, you are not a true Irish band once you have a guitar..." Irish composer Thomas Moore was using the guitar in the late 18th Century. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Herge Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:25 AM I'm Herge - the one that received the e-mail I did not write it!!!!! Just passing it on. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Mr Norrell Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:19 AM I'm guessing that this Herge is no fan of Johnny Moynihan, what with his introduction of the bouzouki into Irish music and all, but no matter, I'm still a fan of Sweeney's Men (this name is Irish enough for you, is it, Herge?). One final question...Herge..this is a Rom or an Irish name? ;-) |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Mr. Norrell Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:12 AM If this is to be believed, which I have a feeling it shouldn't (the term chain yanking comes to mind)then the line "And I am of Irish Traveller heritage from America" should answer all....this person says of Traveller heritage (filtered through what, one wonders),which pretty much waters down their claim to be so bleedin' high and mighty. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: TheSnail Date: 04 Oct 07 - 11:09 AM GLoux When was traditional Irish music contaminated by the violin? Not really sure. Must have been 17th or 18th century. Downhill all the way since then. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Herge Date: 04 Oct 07 - 10:43 AM I have asked him to send me some samples of him playing 'irish music'to see where I have been going wrong for so long. I'll share his reply and refer him to Mudcat herge |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Peace Date: 04 Oct 07 - 10:19 AM Herge: How did your 'fan' respond when you told him to get fu#ked? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: JedMarum Date: 04 Oct 07 - 10:13 AM The band sounds great, Herge. Funny to get such a note from this small minded bigot. This person is so deluded is difficult to know where to begin a countering argument! And in fact - so far off base there's no need to. keep up the great sounds! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Maryrrf Date: 04 Oct 07 - 10:02 AM That e-mail was uncalled for, stupid and pointless, and I'm not surprised that whoever sent it gets treated like an idiot when he's in Ireland. Irish music strictly the music of the tinkers????? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GLoux Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:29 AM When was traditional Irish music contaminated by the violin? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,irishenglish Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:17 AM Pity he couldn't come on here and have his arguments dissected one by one, but then again....probably best to let it go! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: SINSULL Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:05 AM Poor soul is mentally ill. Only he knows what is. Move on, people, there is nothing to see here. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: IrvineJ Date: 04 Oct 07 - 09:05 AM some clubs i've frequented generally play to the same group of people week in week out, and when a newcomer arrives they throw themselves soo hard at the unfortunate newcomer that they generally don't come back. then again, some other clubs like Hitchin FC and of that ilk are wonderful places to watch this brilliant music. Swings and roundabouts. We're digressing. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: jacqui.c Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:54 AM All the folk clubs that I have known, both in the UK and the USA, welcome newcomers. I've never been to one that doesn't encourage new performers either. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: IrvineJ Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:50 AM "No wonder that version of Irish music is not known. Music is meant to be shared and broadcast, not held to a small group like a miser hoarding wealth." Folk clubs? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:43 AM Dear Ruth Archer, Perhaps that was a bit heavy, but my Mommy is American. (We all have our crosses to bear . . . :-) |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:25 AM Wibble, wibble, wibble! (Puts fingers in ears) Lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: jacqui.c Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:19 AM I know what it is supposed to sound like since I have musicians in my family who would not degrade themselves to play for anyone other then their own kin! No wonder that version of Irish music is not known. Music is meant to be shared and broadcast, not held to a small group like a miser hoarding wealth. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Mark H. Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:18 AM Nutters like that ought to get out less. When my old band, Hokum, did "St. James Infirmary" ("Gambler's Blues") one time, a member of the audience appeared prepared to fight to "prove" that Cab Calloway wrote it. Mention of the ballad "The Unfortunate Rake", a possible precursor, might have tipped him over the edge. Nice post, Herge, and I hope to see more of the same. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: redsnapper Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:05 AM Corrigendum! The bouzouki was actually introduced to Irish music by Johnny Moynihan AFAIK RS |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: kendall Date: 04 Oct 07 - 08:01 AM If you go back far enough in history, there are no authentic instruments, eh? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Smash The Windows Date: 04 Oct 07 - 07:50 AM Oh, and these: Wicklow Pipes |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Smash The Windows Date: 04 Oct 07 - 07:38 AM The only authentic Irish instruments are instruments bones and bone whisteles ! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,banjoman Date: 04 Oct 07 - 07:29 AM There is no place in music for pontificating idiots who just want to air their own bigitted opinions. As far as I see it, music is for everyone regardless of history, race, creed or colour. So. keep playing and enjoying. PS I exclude melodeons from any musical reference (said tongue in cheek as I also play Jaws Harp) |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: John MacKenzie Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:49 AM You told me your typos only happened in my chat room Terry! A little economic with the actualité perhaps ☺ Giok |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Leadfingers Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:40 AM Typos Rule!! Ce(w)ntral !! And no E for Andy Irvinme ! AND no o in introduced - My Word - I am having a good day ! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:40 AM Well of course, as any fule kno, harps were imported from Heaven. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Leadfingers Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:34 AM The Bouzouki was intrduced to Irish music by Andy Irvin , the Bodhran came from Cewntral Europe to Ireland in the early part 0f the twentieth century - Probalbly the nearest there really is to an 'Irish' instrument is the whistle ! The world would be a lot happier place if we could get rid of ALL the exremists , wether in Music , Politics , Religion , or any or field of Human Activity ! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:33 AM It appears the lad has a valid point. Your band is sort of the "riverdance" entertainment equivalent. Folk will still hire you though.
Sincerely, |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:29 AM . . . and for accidenally missplling Mr Irvine's name. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:25 AM Apologies for naming Herge as author of he email when s/he wasn't but is actually a member of the band HTTW (and doubtless plays a version of said tune on authentic Irish bouzouki for all I know, bought on eBay from someone called Irving or Moynihan and about to be covered by the Corrs or one of the Blacks). |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Smash The Windows Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:25 AM Never argue with a tinker! I once heard of someone who told Johnny Doran that he was playing out of tune. The next night he had a crowd of twenty tinkers round his house, throwing bricks through the windows. So yer man the Tinker is 100% right! |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: TheSnail Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:06 AM you are not a true Irish band once you have a guitar which is an instrument of Spanish and Portuguese culture I wonder what he thinks are the true Irish instruments. The violin? (Italian). The Anglo (properly Anglo-German) concertina? The button accordeon (Italian?). The pipes? (universal). Ah, of course! It's the bouzouki. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Morticia Date: 04 Oct 07 - 06:04 AM Oh bless......that's the most wonderful example of tortured english I've heard in years....do they have the interwebs in loony bins these days? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,LTS pretending to work Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:54 AM more yours? You mean years... it's the blow to the head that's done it. LTS |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:53 AM HTTW is also a longways set dance, it's included in the New England Fiddler and Chris Leslie does it. And none of these are on the CD Herge has been listening to clips from. What s/he hasn't grasped is that HTTW is the name of the band who play a wide variety of dance music from different traditions in strict time. (learned from th bleedin' Corrs, obviously). |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: manitas_at_work Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:45 AM It's not surprising that HTTW is well known on both sides of the Irish Sea. Don't forget that the 18th and 19th centuries were times of great cultural interchange between England and Ireland with large numbers of Irishmen in the army and navy and large numbers of irish navigators bulding first canals and then railroads in England. There would have been quite a few tunes swapped around campfires. As for Herge's critic he is obviously unaware that Belfast is a long way from Kerry and that musical styles and traditions are regional rather than national. As someone who has more yours of playing music from Ireland than this guy has lived and has had the pleasure to play along with Herge I can truly say that his opinions are bollox! I suspect it's not his accent that marks him out. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:43 AM "As to a Septic being a 'Guardian of Tradition', that's the funniest thing I've heard in ages." Easy, tiger. Have you looked at EFDSS or the VWML recently? |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Geoff the Duck Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:41 AM One thing you can guarantee in this life is that, if you hang around long enough, you will meet some absolute nutters. The internet just makes it easier for them to find you.
And now whenever I go over to Ireland I am treated like an idiot - perhaps because the Irish, who are the most logical people I have ever encountered, can recognise an "eejit" at a hundred paces.
And I am only 28 years of age to boot - so perhaps it's time someone gave him a good boot.
As for "Tinkers". I don't believe that the tinkers ever had any ancestry in common with the romany folk. They were itinerant workers who mended pots and kettles, who used similar transport. Certainly these days (and I am being deliberately incendiary, so don't get up in arms about the comment, please!) Irish Tinkers are the people who park their caravans on waste ground near factories and steal all the iron railings. They are the people who turn up on your doorstep pretending to have "left over tarmac" from a motorway construction job and "we'll do your drive cheap". If that's the proud race he wants to belong to, he's wecome to it. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:39 AM In my experience categorising tends to drive people with very rigid preconceived ideas bonkers. Such people dream up 'theories' and then expect the evidence to support those theories. Often, when the evidence doesn't fit with their notions, they start to take extreme positions - for example, rejecting the very idea of categories. This is, of course, absurd. Experience of everyday life makes it glaringly obvious that existence isn't one huge, undifferentiated lump! Unfortunately, some categories may have grey or fuzzy edges and there may be exceptions and anomalies and this makes some people uncomfortable. It shouldn't though - it is just the way things are. From a scientific viewpoint the existence of exceptions and anomalies is exciting and if enough of these pile up then the categories may have to be re-assigned (and no, Cap'n - this doesn't mean that I believe that the categories 'revival' and 'traditional', as applied to singers, are wrong! You've got a lot of work to do in order to convince me otherwise). |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Pete_Standing Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:33 AM Haste to the Wedding was written by the Corrs. There you go, without hesitation, deviation or repetition, except the word the. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Bryn Pugh Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:20 AM There is a Morris dance 'Haste to the Wedding', the Bledington and Longborough traditions. Who borrowed from whom ? Mind you, Jinky Wells (Bampton) played 'The Flowers of Edinburgh'. Who borrowed from whom ? As to a Septic being a 'Guardian of Tradition', that's the funniest thing I've heard in ages. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Mo the caller Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:15 AM I listened to the tune. It's not the English Haste to the Wedding (none the worse for that). |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Sandman Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:13 AM Categorising drives people bonkers[VILLAN] Quite true ,but when I put the subject up for discussion[How important is the label Traditional Singer]Quite afew mudcatters,are unhappy about the label being removed. The only important thing is doing it [singing and playing],which is what I am going to do now.Dick Miles |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: GUEST,Johnmc Date: 04 Oct 07 - 05:05 AM I would only say to young Herge that what his tradition needs from others is tolerance, a live and let live attitude. He is in danger of alienating such potential allies. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: The Borchester Echo Date: 04 Oct 07 - 04:54 AM It's entirely bonkers. HTTW is just another jig in D that isn't even on the CD being complained about. It just needs someone to come along and moan that it was really invented by W S Gilbert or that the Corrs wrote it themselves. As I expect someone will in a minute. |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Hawker Date: 04 Oct 07 - 04:52 AM Why do people appoint themselves experts when they obviously have an opinion rather than a sound knowledge. Cant we all just get on with each other and enjoy the sharing of music for what it it not what it might or should be? What a sad old world eh? Cheers Lucy |
Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail From: Ruth Archer Date: 04 Oct 07 - 04:32 AM Oh Herge, that post is hilarious! Dontcha just love internet nutters? |
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