Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Mick
Date: 22 Apr 08 - 05:22 AM

WKWTTG by Kate Rusby is available on itunes now

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 18 Mar 08 - 07:58 PM

"Kate Rusby seems to have limitations in this respect; perhaps deliberate, perhaps not, but I find most of her work uninvolving for that reason. One thing though; she has excellent taste in backing musicians!"

Tim you are so right, I couldn't agree more.

Sal (enjoying what Sparkles has to say)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 01:01 PM

I made my point, I stick by it, and if the usual suspects don't like it...ignore me.

Charlotte (are you sitting comfortably....? Then I'll begin)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Gene Burton
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 01:00 PM

High praise indeed! (chuckle)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: irishenglish
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:55 PM

ENOUGH EVERYBODY. She sang it, in some form it will be watchable, or listenable, or perhaps she will make it a regular song on tour. If you don't like Kate, good, if you love Kate, good, if you like her and wish she would go outside the box a little (my position, btw), good.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:51 PM

Patronising prat.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Gene Burton
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:46 PM

Now, now, dear; calm down. Deep breaths, and (all together, now):

"Kumbayah, my lord, kumbayah...etc., etc".

Makes me think, actually; I think the next logical step is a thread entitled Kate Rusby sings Kumbayah...aka The Double Cheeseburger (LOL)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:24 PM

Appears that I had to make the point several times over, and believe me it's not something I enjoy having to do.So, please, give it a rest will you?

Charlotte (losing her patience, which does take alot)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Sparkles
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 12:20 PM

OK Charlotte, we see you. We hear you. Give it a rest now, OK? You've made your point. Several times over.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 11:22 AM

Actually "Rodge"...I hope there never is a Kate Rusby version, and by the way..sunny Jim, are you allowed out of the house on your own?*LOL*

Charlotte (far from stupid)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: mandotim
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 05:48 AM

Hi McG of H!
I agree, but I think to some extent it also depends on the song. Some songs are best delivered 'deadpan', whereas others work best with passion and emotion. I agree that some songs have enough impact on their own without the singer adding anything; some mining disaster songs spring to mind.
As far as the singer goes, if there are a range of songs in their repertoire, I think the singer should be able to deliver the amount of emotion appropriate to the song (as Sandy Denny could). Kate Rusby seems to have limitations in this respect; perhaps deliberate, perhaps not, but I find most of her work uninvolving for that reason. One thing though; she has excellent taste in backing musicians!
Tim

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 05:40 AM

The place of overt emotionality in singers is something on which there is perhaps the widest diversion of tastes. I tend to think it gets in the way. I think the emotional impact of of a song can actually be a lot more powerful with a singer who is, on the face if it less involved - "emotionally detached" as mandotim puts it.

I'm not laying this down as a rule for all songs, or suggesting that there is anything wrong with people having a diametrically opposed preference. But this way of singing shouldn't be seen as a failing on the part of a singer, but rather as a deliberate choice, and one which is in keeping with many/most traditional singing in the British Isles.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: mandotim
Date: 19 Feb 08 - 05:07 AM

There is undoubtedly room for Kate Rusby in the acoustic-ish music world, and I'd love to see her go from strength to strength. I can appreciate what her fans see in her; there is a sense of vulnerability and delicacy that can be very appealing. Other singers have had this; remember Sandie Shaw? Nobody's idea of a singer, but she had a magnetic quality when performing. I don't like Kate Rusby's voice much, too soulless and dispassionate for me. I'd love her to let it out sometime, and sing as if she really felt what she was singing.
I think examples are useful; try listening to Mary-Chapin Carpenter singing her song 'The Moon and St Christopher'. The first time I heard this was on a video, with just a guitar and Nanci Griffith singing harmony. M-C C's vocal was so raw, compelling and emotional that there were tears rolling down Nanci's face as she tried to hold herself together enough to sing the chorus. Then listen to Kate Rusby's version, which comes across as a pretty but unemotional acoustic pop song. It's not the musicality, or even the presentation that is the issue for me; it's the apparent emotional detachment.
IMHO, of course.
Tim

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:55 PM

It's said that the women from Ugley sometimes get together with the men from Nasty, a village just a few miles distant, in Herts.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Cath
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:50 PM

But there is an Idle Working Men's Club!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: The Vulgar Boatman
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:45 PM

Steady on there, you can't just go appeasing this grumpy lot of buggers you know. The required format for Mudcat debate is as follows: flat statement, followed by flat contradiction, followed by personal abuse...
For the record though, and I know not why I gather such nonsense in me travels, except that I've done gigs near all of them, there is no Loose Women's Institute - it's actually, I kid you not, the "Womens' Institute of Loose" and resides near Maidstone. Similarly, there's one in the Essex village of Ugley, which rejoices in the name "Womens' Institute, Ugley Branch". Faint hearts. However, near Canterbury they are less subtle. How about the "Rough Common Womens' Institute". Right on sisters.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Ronan
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 02:13 PM

Thanks Mr Woods - couldn't resist popping back in (ah, the slippery slope)...Well I suppose I should nail my colours to the mast - it was Kate and Kathryn's album borrowed from a library in about 1999 that set me off on the folk path, which has lumped Andrew Cronshaw, Ola Backstrom, JPP and a whole brace of other sandal-hurlers and rainbow-guitar-strap wielders into my CD collection - and led me into halls full of whirling corduroy (and Spiers and Boden gigs). I have to say that my life is the better for it!

For those whose underpants are still on fire with the Rusby Wrath - please beat your broadswords into banjos and give us something to hoe down about ;)

Lots of love

Mr Keating

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 10:52 AM

From an official source 'close to Kate':

Recorded especially for the show because they (and I:) ) asked.

No forthcoming album for it to be included on but as there's been loads of interest and it's the 30 year anniversary of Sandy's death it may well be available as download special from Pure.

If/when it is I'll post details on here.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 08:51 AM

Great post Ronan, you nailed us folkie-bovva-boys in one! It's amazing what damage a well-aimed Aran sweater or sandal can do! :-)
But some of us love Kate and wish her every success in whatever she chooses to do - were not all po-faced mealy-mouths! LOL!
You have a good week too.
S:0)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: rabbitlegs
Date: 18 Feb 08 - 05:33 AM

Seems to me Ronan's right. How come Kate gets so much stick, are we all scared someone else will hear her and be tempted to dig deeper and discover traditional music. How dare they! They may even come across Sandy Denny's work and form their own opinions and be all the happier for it.
Anyway about Steve Wright... great show Steve.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Rogthedodge
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 09:06 PM

Listen missy, you can spout '"I think she got off lightly'forgive me for sniggering

one more time, there is NO full length version of Who Knows Where The Time Goes, by Kate Rusby....

and I've read this thread gawd knows how many times....

Charlotte (pay attention all the time, because you never know)' all you damned well like.

I asked about 1 song you responded about another, if you're too damned dumb to understand that simple fact then you really shouldn't be near electricity unsupervised.

So there's no full length version of WKWTTG by Kate, at all?, ever? She recorded just one 50 second chorus?? And you know this for a certain fact?, from what source?

You started with the irrelevant posts, you started with the attitude and now you know something 'for a fact' - other posters seem to contradict you but you know best - eh?

TBH I originally thought you were confused but now I think you're just plain stupid (and rude)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM

Anything and everything is controversial if our mood runs that way.

"Good morning"

"What's good about it?"

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 07:02 PM

Coo! :0

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,GUEST; Ronan
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 06:06 PM

Dear Lord
Glad the topic of conversation wasn't anything more controversial - whoever thought Kate Rusby would be the one to cause us to elbow over our pints and lunge, ears steaming, at each other's necks?
It's the first time I've visited - only stopped by to find some lyrics - couldn't resist reading this thread - fascinating in a rather morbid, reality-TV kind of way. A splendid array of pathos, vitriol, tongue-in-cheekness and tribalism! Thank you!
Have a lovely week, and enjoy whatever tunes tickle your hurdy-gurdies.
Ronan Keating

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 02:11 PM

"I think she got off lightly'forgive me for sniggering

one more time, there is NO full length version of Who Knows Where The Time Goes, by Kate Rusby....

and I've read this thread gawd knows how many times....

Charlotte (pay attention all the time, because you never know)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Pete
Date: 17 Feb 08 - 11:35 AM

Heard Steve Wright (DJ not alleged murderer)say he wasn't very keen on Village Green etc.etc. This confirmed my long held belief that the only thing wrong with the Steve Wright show is Steve Wright.I realise this has nothing to do with Sandy Denny but the opportunity for a dig at Steve Wright was not to be missed.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: nager
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 10:21 PM

Apologies: My mistake - thought the question was about Kate and Ronan Keating singing together.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Rogthedodge
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 09:32 PM

No probs with people making innocent mistakes (ie nager).

Snidey, snotty, attitude-laden posts are another matter however.

Being told to 'pay attention' by someone who patently hasn't read the thread is never going to go down well.

I think she got off lightly

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 07:11 PM

"Sunshine" - that's a pretty mild sort of an insult! Hardly something to merit getting aerated about.

I can't imagine that Kate would have just sung a snippet of the song. No doubt at some point the full version she no doubt sang will become available.

And the post that said "It is on Youtube" wasn't from GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice , but from nager.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Rogthedodge
Date: 16 Feb 08 - 06:52 PM

Err hang on a minute 'sunshine', what's with the attitude??

You are clearly very confused.

Pay attention - this could be tricky:

I start a thread about A. Others respond about A, discuss it, even suggest it's been played on the radio (presumably 'complete') you then respond about B and get snippy about it to boot!.

Hope that's not too confusing - quite simple if you think about it / read the damned thread!

So thanks very much for your irrelevant input - it's done nothing apart from wear down your keyboard.

Seems to me you're ignorant, rude and have over-estimated your intelligence.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 12:57 PM

My point was, sunshine, now pay attention...there isn't a full length version of Who Knows Where The Time Goes, as sung by Kate Rusby...not yet anyway...what is on You tube is what i noted in the first place
Charlotte (and there's no condusion, certainly not on my part)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Rogthedodge
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 12:40 PM

Thanks but think there's some confusion here

'Threadcreep' eh?

This thread was started about Kate's version of WKWTTG, not VGPS which is on YouTube, Kate's new Album and all over the radio.

If anyone does track Kate doing WKWTTG down please could they post details on here

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: The Mole Catcher's Apprentice (inactive)
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 11:35 AM

there's the intro to Jam and Jerusalem, buth KR is sing The Village Green Preservation Society I think

Charlotte (specs steamed up due to the hotness of coffee)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 08 - 06:54 AM

Kate Rusby singing Who Knows Where The Time Goes is on YouTube ??

Not that I can find - are you sure?

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: nager
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 05:23 PM

It is on Youtube

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Rogthedodge
Date: 14 Feb 08 - 04:20 PM

Yeah she did a duet with Ronan Keeting (ex of some boy band). It was pretty pants but Kate's bits were good.

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Anyway no-one able to answer my question? - anyone know where I can find this song???

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,howler
Date: 11 Feb 08 - 12:01 PM

Didn't she record with some boy band recently. Some crappy song written by Don Mescalin.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 07:02 PM

I say.....what a jolly unpleasant chap....

Not sure Kate would welcome him as an ally..... :)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 05:00 PM

or playing Who Knows Where The Time Goes cocktail piano style?

Charlotte (stays away from cocktail lounges)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 10 Feb 08 - 04:41 PM

I have some sympathy with Jeanie's view. It's a bit like the Beeb using Down by the Sally Gardens and Uilleann pipes for the Monarch of the Glen.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 03:35 PM

Kate Rusby and Sandy Denny are English, I'm half English, and I don't live in the USA. I think the same can probably be said of the majority of posters here (though this be an U.S-based website)

Charlotte (my neighbours are half English too)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Ms Sourpuss
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 03:18 PM

I'm Ms Lemon btw! and you know what? I don't feel it matters, this is free speach and I believe USA is the land of the free!

Sal

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Sally
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 03:15 PM

I shave my armpits, I am not that fat and I don't believe i'm that ugly....

Judge for yourself....Ms Lemon

Sal

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: harpmolly
Date: 08 Feb 08 - 12:09 AM

Yorkie: Sheesh. Helpful much?

Sue: Sorry if I picked on you...I didn't really mean to. I had forgotten what you said earlier up the thread, which was much more reasoned. But yes, the *ducks* did elicit that reaction from me! I totally respect your opinion and am glad you're open-minded too.

I'm not one of those people (I swear) who will hear absolutely no criticism of the things or people she likes! (As I've admitted before on this very thread, even I will attest that occasionally Kate's music is a little samey, a little low-key--but again, when she hits it, I think she's incredible.) I'm really not a Kate Rusby zealot. I just don't like hearing people treat her like some sort of pop princess who doesn't deserve her success, which is the feeling I get from people often on these threads. But I don't think you were saying that at all. :)

On a related note, when I went to see the film of Sweeney Todd (one of my all-time favorite musicals), I was extremely underwhelmed by Helena Bonham-Carter's performance, which was a disappointment as I've always found her very compelling. As we were walking home I told my roommate that although I enjoyed some of the performance, I found her really too understated and didn't think she gave the role enough pizazz. My roommate's response? "You're WRONG!! She was GREAT!! I don't see how you can possibly think she wasn't AWESOME!". *facepalm* *sigh*

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 08:52 PM

Molly - know what you mean, but I didn't say "ducks" to get a reaction. Someone asked the question ("what more do you want?"), and so I answered it. As I've said, I think she has a beautiful voice, it doesn't move me at all, but it would be a boring world if we all liked the same music/singers. I'm glad she delights others.

S

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 06:08 PM

psst Yorkie boy...c'mere.......Did your parents ever teach you manner's, boy? Or is it simply that you're a wind-up merchant? Either way someone need s to box your ears for you, smarten you up a bit...

Charlotte (who's been known to do it)

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,Yorkie
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 05:58 PM

Why is it that every time someone praises Kate Rusby the women's hairy armpit brigade come out in force and try to put her down with comments like "she sounds like a 12 year old".
Why don't some of you fat, ugly, masculine-looking excuses for females shut up and go away.
You are simply jealous - admit to it!

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 05:53 PM

That's a great DVD Live in Leeds. Everyone that has seen it at my place - and that's heaps of people - love it.

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: michaelr
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 03:20 PM

AND she has one of the best bands going -- witness the Live in Leeds DVD. Mike McGoldrick, Ian Carr, Andy Cutting, John McCusker and Ewen Vernal. Better musicianship would be hard to find.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: Kate Rusby sings Sandy Denny !!!!
From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's Apprentice
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 02:55 PM

tripped over it and sworn at it more than likely *LOL* God Bless Her

Charlotte (no sacred cows)