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Folklore: vancouver folk SS

kevind 06 Feb 08 - 07:16 PM
GUEST,mg 06 Feb 08 - 07:26 PM
Jon Bartlett 06 Feb 08 - 08:13 PM
Charley Noble 06 Feb 08 - 08:18 PM
Peace 06 Feb 08 - 08:23 PM
Peace 06 Feb 08 - 08:26 PM
Charley Noble 06 Feb 08 - 08:43 PM
Barry Finn 06 Feb 08 - 11:52 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 07 Feb 08 - 11:56 AM
stallion 07 Feb 08 - 12:31 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 07 Feb 08 - 02:39 PM
George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca 07 Feb 08 - 02:42 PM
GUEST,Murray on Salt Spring 07 Feb 08 - 03:47 PM
ollaimh 21 Mar 12 - 11:30 AM
Joe Offer 21 Mar 12 - 02:51 PM
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Subject: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: kevind
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 07:16 PM

I recently noticed that th vancouver folk Song Society, better known as the Vancouver folkSS, has their favourite nazi on their pictures pages.

Yes it seems hard to believe but out in the wild wet helmut ruebsaat has been stalward member for decades. folowing his service in the nazi party. he used to com to song circles and sing"songs i learned in a german youth group"--those were his hitler youth songs.

He's the real thing. deuling scars from the german student nazi secert societies, and a holocost denialist as long as i knew him. This is one sick group. they have comdoned helmut for decades because he in "nice middle class" and either kicked out or cold shouldered every ethnic gael ever to fgo there. They don't get many jews for obvious reasons.

The leaders are allmost all upper or upper middle class germanics or english and have never been shy about asserting their moral superiority. They even had this theory, heavily expounded by John Barlett, helmuts son in law. that folk music should be free and for amateurs. This is old brittish empire amateurism, designed to stop the smelly working class from articipating, especially those pesky celts who can acually play instruments/

It's a disgusting farce and travesty that a live long Nazi is given sucor within the folk community


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 07:26 PM

I have met him on many occasions and found him to be a very kind man. I do not know his past, other than he was a doctor I believe..and saw and experienced things that we can only pray we don't have to. Some of this stuff we just have to let God sort out..it is too complicated for mere mortals. mg


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:13 PM

I passed Kevin D's rant on to my father-in-law and his response is below:

Herr Bartlett: Alas! De klever KEVIN D, ze Kunning old Kelt, has discovered ze Nazi-British Empire plan at to mek ze smelly Irischen working-class washen by zinging ze MITCH-MILLER sanger und by making ze volksmusik free. Ze DUELLING-SCARS gave it all away. Now ve shall have to listen to de SKILLED Irischen-musik und pay many Thalers for ze privilege! Herr Doktor Ruebsaat


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:18 PM

Kevind-

Nice to know the spirit of live and let live is alive and well in Vancouver.

I suppose this is a serious post that you would like the entire world to comment on, and not some private grudge that you have been harboring for years.

I find these attempts at character assassination repulsive.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: Peace
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:23 PM

Your first post to the Mudcat under that name. Obviously you have the courage of your convictions, kevind.

If you have proof of the charge against the Dr, then please inform the RCMP. If they are not responsive, get in touch with your MP and the Prime Minister's office. Canada has a history of exporting Nazis back to from whence they came.

If the Dr, as you say, denies the Holocaust, he's likely a fuc#ing idiot.

I think this thread should be deleted because you are afraid to post serious allegations under your own name. I will report it to the boss around here.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: Peace
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:26 PM

Sorry, Charley. You said it more eloquently than I could.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: Charley Noble
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 08:43 PM

Peace-

I also noticed that this was "Kevind" first post. I doubt if we'll hear from him again. But I also doubt if he will learn any lesson from his experience here.

Jon-

You are also eloquent, as is your father-in-law.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: Barry Finn
Date: 06 Feb 08 - 11:52 PM

Fuck off K & take your nickle elsewhere, complain to those that give a shit.

Jon & Rika, if you happen to run into of over this asshole bitch slap him for me.

Charlie & Mg are far better people than I am.

Barry


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 11:56 AM

I've met Jon and his wife, the slandered Dr mentioned in the first msg. They are both wonderful people. I can't imagine that the Dr in question is any different.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: stallion
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 12:31 PM

ooo, we were planning a trip to Vancouver, would they be the people to get in touch with to sort out some singing?


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 02:39 PM

Sure. Check their web-site:   VFSS.
http://www.folksongsociety.org/


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 02:42 PM

Their calendar lists a lot of meetings coming up. Note the Friends Meeting House   is the Quaker house in the southern end of Vancouver.


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Subject: RE: Folklore: vancouver folk SS
From: GUEST,Murray on Salt Spring
Date: 07 Feb 08 - 03:47 PM

Dr R was in the Hitler Youth. So were a great many of young Germans in the Thirties. You couldn't really avoid it. It was like the Scouts; they sang songs; they hiked, and they loved their Fatherland. What's wrong with that? We are not all responsible for the errors and indeed the crimes of our leaders. Not every US citizen is to be blamed for the Iraq debacle, and not every Brit for Margaret Thatcher. Kevind has some history I imagine, and a load of chips on both shoulders. Helmut is a pleasant guy, who sings good tender songs; Rika a pleasant and talented woman, Jon an informed and serious folksinger, and their family are pleasant too. For goodness sake, don't allow this relatively peaceful site to degenerate into racist rants.
    I think Murray's post brings a pretty good close to this discussion, which sometimes has bordered on libel. Any further posts on this subject will be considered personal attacks, and will be deleted.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Obit: Helmut Ruebsaat (1920-2011)
From: ollaimh
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 11:30 AM

for dedcades the people of the vancouver folk song socirty protected helnmut ruebsaats naziism. he was an open holocoust denier. he also denied for years he was even old enough to be in the german army in the war.many people of the vancouver folk song society(the folk ss) repeated this to me and others for decades. they all said he was thirteen at the end of the war. well his obituary admits he was german army and went to medical school in 1945. they all lied for years to cover up his nazi background.

i know dozens of people who heard hin sing his hitler youth songs at the vancouver folk ss, a lot of people never came back because of it. i personally heard him say the jews made up the hollocoust to make money and that it was all allied propoganda. i know a dozen others who heard this hate speach.

so kat laughing this is the real hate speach. i can't believe that anyone would call my stating the truth about a life long nazi was hate speach but that's how twisted our world has become.

there are many many other facts about helnut that display that he was deep into the ss personally. he and his family were members of the deutchland party and their street marching group the steel helmets. after the roehm puscht when the sa were eliminated by hitler he then recruited his new body guard from the steel helmets. that was the beginning of the ss. helmut also had the dueling scarts from the german university fascist secert societies. he was obviously in the ss and hid it most of his life.

the really disgusting thing is that so many people sat there and listened to him sing his hitler youth songs.

yes he was a decent musician and could be a nice man--if you weren't jewish or irish(he made a few nasty cracks about the irish as well--i guess we are untermensch as well).

i remain disgusted that so many people were willing to protect and defend this openly nazi man. and apparantly still are. that's real hate speach kat laughing , you are spreading the real hate speach.

they lied for decades about his nazi era and war year participation.the vancouver folk song society and its members protected and defended a nazi for decades. that's real hate speach.they attacked and demonixed anyone who spoke out about their coddling this nazi and they sat there smilling while he sang hitler youth songs.

when ever this has arisen on mudcat people seem to want to defend the nazi--those people should be asking thenselves what kind of people they are when they defend a nazi to get along socially.it's disgusting hypocracy. most of these people posture as progressive but defend a nazi= it seems as long as the nazi is middle class then he\s ok with them.

murry shoolbraid came on here and ststed the now obvious lie that helkmut was too young to be in the army but was only hitler youth. he even said the hitler youth was like the boy scouts. general paton got sacked for saying simileaer things. the hitler youth were not like boy scouts they were the real hate group. the steel helmuts were the beginning of the ss. they were the real hate group. the people who pop u0p to defend this life long nazi--THEY ARE THE REAL HATE GROUP


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Subject: RE: Obit: Helmut Ruebsaat (1920-2011)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Mar 12 - 02:51 PM

OK, ollaimh, you've said your piece. It's the same thing you said under another name in 2008. You've had four years since then, and you still have no evidence to prove your case. Come back in another four years - but with evidence next time.
The man was 25 years old when the war ended. I doubt there was much he could have done to promote the Nazi cause by that age.
-Joe Offer-

This is the response I got from ollaimh on 22 March 2011:
    be advised that holocoust denial, aiding holocoust denial and trying ton punish those who defend against holocoust denial is a violation of every human rights act in canada. i should have brought a human rights complaint long ago. but now i will if there is anyn support for holocoust denial or discipline for those fighting against holocoust dennial. in a court of law i will be ablke to bring a half dozen witnesses ton everything i have sioad nand the cabal of deniers nwill be shown for the bigots and hate mongers they have been for nyears,

    please forward my wasrbning to all and any moderators of mudcat, itb is liiegal in cnada to do what your cabal are doing, and you and your friends ought to be doing some self examination about your actions


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Subject: RE: Obit: Helmut Ruebsaat (1920-2011)
From: ollaimh
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 09:26 AM

i want people to realize that holocoust denial, aiding holocoust denial, and trying to silence or punish those fighting against holocoust denial is a violation of the canadian human rights code and the human rights codes of every province. i should have brought a human rights complaint aginst helmut ruebsaat and his defenders long ago. the vancouver folk ss is an incorprsted society and hence subject to the laws of canada such as the human rights codes. i will now if there are those who try to supress the truth again.

helmut ruebsaat was a life ling holocoust denier and a memaber of the nazi party. he sang hitler youth songs at the vancouver folk song society and he admitted this to a half dozen people i know and some of whom i have talked to recently. if i have to i will bring a human rights complaint to put these people in the witness box under oath to testirfy as to these egrigious human rights violations. i should have done it years ago. those who defend holocoust deniers are those who make holocousts happen.

people should read |hitler's willing executioners" a ghreat history of how most germans were happy to help with the holocoust and openly supported the nazi pragram. this is a history by one of the best hostorians of our time. i'll get his name later--i have a copy on my shelf.

helmut ruebsaat had the dueling scars of the german university secert fascist societies, he admitted to me and others i know he was in the steel helmets(the group the ss were drafted from), and he oepnly sang hitler youth songs at the vancouver folk ss. i don't know wht more is needed to prove his criminal bigotry. if fortced to i will bring this to a human right s tribunal, i am sick and tired of the nasty cabal defending this open supporter of nazi policies/

look on horbert ruebesaat's blog and at his articles. there you will find further admissions of their participation in the aristocratic nazi allied party(before 1933) of the deutchland [party. this is the party that ran and founded the steel helmets. then they supported hitler's ascencion to power by joining his coalition with the centre party to pass the enabling act that made hitler dictator. in return they were appointed as the first ss officers.

in addition helmuts obit and his sons blog show thatb the story put out for decades by the vancouver folk cabal that helmut was too young to be in the war was a lie/ he admits being in the german army and mustering out in 1945 to go to medical school. that at the time his friends such as murry schoolbraid and many at the old clique from the vancouver folk ss said he was thirteen. they lied for decades to protect him. he was obviously hiding some war time activity. i supose i will have to supoena his immigration papers and go to german records as the deniers seem to never give up. you all ought to think about what it says that you suppored an open holocoust denier for so many years. i know people who went to dinner at his house who heard him admit to being an ss officer, i know people who heard him deny the holocoust and i heard him deny the holocoust myself. i really should not have let this lie go on because those spreading it are obviosly never going to admit the truth and apologize.

so kat you are the one spreading hate speach, and all of you who have defended this evil bigot


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Subject: RE: Obit: Helmut Ruebsaat (1920-2011)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Mar 12 - 10:36 AM

It's pretty clear who's the bigot in this thread.

Not the first time this anonymous paranoid has spewed his or her bilious decades-old grudges over this forum.

We don't need it.


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