Origins: Logie o' Buchan

Subject: Logie o' Buchan
From:
Date: 15 May 99 - 10:11 PM

I've always loved th' sang "Logie o' Buchan"; I heard it by Cilla Fisher but cannae quite mak' oot th' wairds. Can onyane oot thaur help me? Cheers, SueMac th' humble piper

Subject: RE: Logie o' Buchan
From: Susan of DT
Date: 16 May 99 - 08:56 AM

There is an [O Logie O Buchan] in the database. Is this what you want?

Subject: RE: Logie o' Buchan
From:
Date: 16 May 99 - 12:08 PM

nae, Susan, that isnae th' ane I'm luikin' fer, but thanks fer askin'. I'm luikin' fer th' sang aboot Wee Jamie (for whom ma son is named).

"...he played on his pipes an' his viol sae sma' They've ta'en awa' Jamie, th' Flo'er o' them a'...."

Subject: Lyr Add: LOGIE O' BUCHAN
From: Bev Lawton
Date: 16 May 99 - 12:31 PM

LOGIE O' BUCHAN

from the sleeve notes of the CD "The Mermaids Song"
by The Tannahill Weavers, (Green Linnet GLCD1121, 1992)

1. Oh Logie o' Buchan, oh Logie the laird,
They ha'e ta'en awa' Jamie wha delved in the yaird.
Wha played on the pipes and the fiddle saw sma',
They ha'e ta'en awa' Jamie the flo'er o'them a'.

CHORUS: He said think na' lang lassie though I gang awa',
For I'll come and se ye in spite o' them a'.

2. Sandy has owsen has gear and has kye,
A hoose and a haddin and siller for bye.
But I'll ha'e my ain lad wi' his staff in his hand,
Before I'll ha'e him wi' his hooses and land. (Chorus)

3. I sit on my creepie and spin at my wheel,
And think on the laddie that lo'ed me sae weel.
He had but ae' saxpence he broke it in twa,
And gied me the hauf o't when he gaed awa'. (Chorus)

4. Then haste ye back Jamie and bide nae awa',
Then haste ye back Jamie and bide nae awa'.
The summer is coming, cauld winter's awa',
And ye'll come see me in spite o' them a'. (Chorus)

If you haven't heard this version this CD is a must.
The Tannahills at their best.
Bev Lawton

Subject: RE: Logie o' Buchan
From:
Date: 16 May 99 - 05:02 PM

AYE THAT!!! thanks muckle! 'Tis exactly th' sang I'm luikin' fer, an' I'm verra gratefu'! -cheers, Sumac, humble piper tae th' Selkie Queen

Subject: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Hester
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 12:08 PM

Hi, all:

There are a couple of versions of this song in the DT, along with information that it was written in the 18th century by George Halket of Inverallochy, Aberdeenshire, and that Halket was a supposed Jacobite.

My question is, what is the relationship between this song and the kirkton or village of Logie Buchan in Aberdeenshire (which is a fair ways south and inland from Inverallochy)? My great-great grandparents were married in the parish of Logie Buchan in 1863.

And, in the lyrics, WHO is it that takes young Jamie away? Is he being conscripted into the army? Arrested for Jacobite sympathies?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks, Hester

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 01:04 PM

Some info is in John Greig's Scots Minstrelsie, vol. 1. Notes to "Logie O' Buchan" are on p. ii.

~Masato

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Hester
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 02:26 PM

Masato, you are a virtual human reference library! And a treasure!
Thanks so much.

Greig's notes still leave me with some questions, though.

He says:

"The Logie of the song is situated in Crimond -- adjoining the parish where Halket lived."

Hmmm... well, Crimond is close to Inverallochy & Rathen, so that fits. However, my ancestors' "Logie Buchan" is about 20 miles south of there, just east of Ellon on the river Ythan. Odd that two such close places would have the same name. Not impossible, though. Just outside Toronto, uptil about 10 years ago, we had two Newcastles that were so close to one another, one had to change its name to Clarendon. Grieg's syntax is ambiguous, but suggests that the "Logie o' Buchan" in the song was the name of 'the mansion-house' in Crimond, rather than a separate village.

Greig also mentions that "the 'Jamie that delved in the yard' was gardener at the mansion-house -- James Robertson by name". Cool. My great-great-grandfather was an agricultural labourer at a manor (or farm?) in the parish of Logie Buchan, called "Mains of Larty", so I bet he often "delved in the yard" too. "The Mains of Larty" sounds like a good title for a folk song to me. However, my GGG was named Alexander, not Jamie.

So, what exactly is a "Logie" in Scots dialect? I assume "Mains" means mansion or manor. How do the two terms differ?

And my great-great-grandmother was a domestic servant in the parish of Logie Buchan, at a (house?) called "Atrochic". Any ideas from the Scots contingent about what that name means? Or how to pronounce it?

And in honour of my GGG's, does anyone know of a Scots folksong about a farmhand courting one of the housemaids at a neighbouring mansion?

Cheers, Hester

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Shonagh
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 04:00 PM

Hi, I'm from this part of the country, and really interested in researching things behind all the old bothy ballads.And the scots dialects used in them. I'm interested to see where this goes, unfortunately, i cant do any reseach just now ( i would go to the library and look up all the old census normally, if my library has them!) but im away off on holiday for a week and a bit. I'll check this thread when i get back, and please, feel free to contact me and i'll do the best i can to help!
Shona (17)

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Hester
Date: 07 Apr 03 - 05:45 PM

Hi, Shona:

Enjoy your holiday! I look forward to continuing the discussion with you when you return.

Cheers, Hester

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Strupag
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 01:06 PM

Hi Hester, again!
There are Logie all over Scotland and it's a reasonably popular surname.
They have their own Clan website ( sited in NY of course)
Try it here http://www.cnyscots.com/logan.html
There's actually a site with a bit more info here http://www.rampantscotland.com/clans/blclanlogan.htm
I think that the word Logie probably originated with the tendency in the Scottish east coast dialect to add "ie" onto many words.
Hence Lag (lagan-plural) would become Lagie.
Can't think of such a song just know although I'm sure there are many. Try, however, Bogie's Bonny Belle. It has a similar theme and Archie Fisher does a superb version

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Hester
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 03:46 PM

Hi, Andy:

Thanks for those links. Aha, so "Logie" means "little hollow"!

Bogie's Bonny Belle is a nifty song, but it doesn't really fit my great-great-grandparents' situation. Their courtship was much more proper, and had a happy ending.

Cheers, Hester

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: CET
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 10:15 PM

That's a great site for Greig's Scots Minstrelsie. Unfortunately, when I print a song, the last bar on each line is cut off. I suppose there's no way of avoiding that.

CET

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 08 Apr 03 - 11:25 PM

The way to avoid that is not to print from Internet Explorer; it does a very poor job. Both Netscape and Opera will print the page without unwanted cropping. Best, though, to save the image to your hard drive and use dedicated software for printing. You'll get far better results.

Subject: RE: Origins: Logie o' Buchan
From: CET
Date: 09 Apr 03 - 09:05 PM

Thanks, I'll try that.

Edmund

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Logie o' Buchan
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Apr 20 - 06:01 PM

Is there another verse about her daddy? Casey Casebeer sang it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Logie o' Buchan
From: GUEST,Starship
Date: 26 Apr 20 - 06:12 PM

Joe, that verse is in this take

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw107HR9G2M

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Logie o' Buchan
From: Jim McLean
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 06:45 AM

Verse three in Johnson's Scots Musical Museum;

My daddie was sulkie, my minnie was sour,
They gloom'd on my Jamie because he was poor;
But daddie and minnie altho' that they be,
There's nane o' them a' like my Jamie to me.
( The 2nd verse sung here,) O think na lang, &c.

Copied from pages 367/368 of said book.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Logie o' Buchan
From: Reinhard
Date: 29 Apr 20 - 01:59 PM

That verse is also here in the Digital Tradition: O Logie O Buchan