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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 28 Apr 08 - 09:26 AM Walkaboutverse - you need to figure out why your "culture" is supposedly being lost and "replaced" by globalization/Americanisation. If you are importing a high percentage of children's programs, perhaps there is a reason? Are your own programs delivering the needed messages? Why are people watching the shows they watch? No matter how hard you stamp your feet and hold your breath until you turn blue, you cannot force people into a culture they do not want nor can you stop evolution. I hate to be the one to clue you in, but our own culture in the United States has changed as well. It is important to raise concerns, but unless you have a workable plan to change it, what is your point? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 28 Apr 08 - 05:52 AM To Mole.: I'm not a member of any political party, but I'm enough of a realist to state that I'd probably agree with all of them on SOME things; but, since you did use/misuse that quote again, I'd prefer the SNP, The English Democrats, etc.; and, in my opinion, if Blair and Brown knew better, they'd be members of the SNP. To CV: As for your "serious study", I majored in anthropology, with distinctions, found my way on a shoestring through about 40 countries, and have put a lot of extra thought into these issues. Also, you surely know by now that I'm an English repat. - but you say "you ought to go back home to Australia"?...I'd like to live my life here in England and VISIT Australia again...is that okay with you? To PFHL: yes, as a repat. and not a visitor to England, I have worked on my pronunciation (and put quite a lot else into my repatriation, as said above) with BOTH my speaking and singing...is that okay with you? To Ron: recently on tv the concern was raised that a very high percentage of childrens programmes, e.g., in England now are from America - is that "evolution" or replacement/globalisation/Americanisation...and here, again, I must stress that I do enjoy some American culture/music myself, but we in England DO have our own good culture, which IS being lost, which is NOT good for our society. At least, just recently, more-and-more English people are openly raising such concerns. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:07 PM This looks like another thread that went down the crapper. Nice job by our friends on the other side of the pond. People do not lose their culture, culture evolves. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Pekingese Frog Hop Lots Date: 27 Apr 08 - 05:57 PM WAV sez: Singing a folk-song in a phoney foreign accent... is surely "not cricket." - why bother affecting our voice for the genre... instead of just putting our natural speaking-timbre into song? WAV sez: as a repat. (rather than a visitor) from Australia, I've done some work on my pronunciation by, wait for it, listening carefully to two Geordie ex-runners when the athletics is on! |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Confrontation Viper Date: 27 Apr 08 - 05:35 PM You're confusing my argument, Volgodon and CV - please read this. Just read it. You don't have an argument to confuse, WAV - you have a whole mess of seriously misinformed, ill-considered & otherwise nonsensical rhetoric that displays nothing but an utter and total ignorance of the subjects you hold forth upon - and that's putting it mildly. It is from this catechism of claptrap that you constantly quote in the vain hope that if you say something often enough it will become true - true for yourself perhaps, believing as you do your own propagandist polemic, but for the rest of us it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and has absolutely no bearing on the world in which we live. My advice therefore, is start afresh with a clean slate, open your mind (and your heart) to what is actually happening in the world and then do some serious study on the subjects you claim to love & revere yet, as you so demonstrate so clearly in your writing, know nothing about. Maybe you ought go back home to Australia too, unravel the web, take it back to the source, figure out where you went so terribly wrong and try to put it right. Take some food along for the journey (it's going to be a long one!) - just be sure to bake enough humble pie to see you to the end of it. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 27 Apr 08 - 03:26 PM "when people lose their own culture, society suffers" "The British National Party would probably make it into a parliament elected by proportional representation, too. It would shine a torch into the dirty little corner where the BNP defecate on our democracy, and that would be much more powerful than duffing them up in the street — which I'm also in favour of." - Billy Bragg in an interview with The Guardian, 2004 I fully agree..with Billy Bragg that is *LOL* Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:36 PM As I've said in poem # 209 PEOPLE LOSE (I can't put it here as it's one of my shaped-poems), when people lose their own culture, society suffers - be it Aboriginal, English, or any other. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:27 PM WAV proably hates The Imagined Village....just a thought ;-) Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST Date: 27 Apr 08 - 11:15 AM I just read it, but what it has to do with anything, I don't know. I am not confusing your original argument. I think it would go something like this. Dylan's Bob Dylan's Dream (Lord Franklin) is on the radio, followed by S&G Scarborough Fair and then the Byrds' rendition of Wild Mountain Thyme. "As I've said, here, in the USA and beyond, we are hearing on the air-waves more-and-more hauntingly melodic folk singing and stuff isnpired by quartet of foreigners in arran-sweaters (even on this, the 4th of July) when, to me, quality traditional twangy American-folk, and blues/jazz tinged pop and showtunes sound at least as good as this English traditional song...and, more importantly, it's OUR OWN. America is, along with many other lands, Anglicising, and I don't like it - and neither should the British citizens who, themselves, love the world being multicultural. Another sad example is Americans trying to sing without a strong American accent." |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,WalkaboutsVerse Date: 27 Apr 08 - 10:45 AM You're confusing my argument, Volgodon and CV - please read this. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:55 AM I had a thought. What business did Dyland and Paul Simon have going to England and picking up some of the traditional sound? I can just see the critics, OH NO |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: ironstone Date: 27 Apr 08 - 07:26 AM I entirely agree.BUT songs should be sung in character and if the song is American, giving it a light colouring (should that be 'coloring')of a mid-atlantic drawl seems as acceptable as singing a Yorkshire song with a little Yorkshire colouring or a Tyneside song with a touch of Geordie. Of course not every singer is an actor and sufficiently skilled to sing in character, many are just content to twang along on guitar or even do classy guitar accompaniments and treat the words as there simply to repeat without thought to the emotional content. However, Folk is a broad church and many people seem to enjoy this, just a matter of personal taste. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 27 Apr 08 - 06:58 AM "I/we "fight" with words, Sedayne, but sadly some members of those "immigrant communities & minorities" use other tactics for what they want - which is not "Englishness"/Anglicises..?!" Actually, that is pretty English too, I mean 'those other tactics', you can ask the Hugeonot potters of London. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Confrontation Viper Date: 27 Apr 08 - 06:37 AM For hundreds of years, English folk enjoyed singing their folk-songs in much the same unaccompanied way. Now, the BBC, e.g., DOES give a lot more airplay to, e.g., American rap Now let me get this right WAV - for countless centuries the good white native-born country folk of Merry England basked in this utopia of unaccompanied traditional song until the BBC (e.g.,) started playing degenerate Black pop music whereupon it all went horribly wrong. Interesting. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,WalkaboutsVerse Date: 27 Apr 08 - 04:19 AM For hundreds of years, English folk enjoyed singing their folk-songs in much the same unaccompanied way. Now, the BBC, e.g., DOES give a lot more airplay to, e.g., American rap, which I genuinely find nowhere near as enjoyable as folk - I CAN say that. And, going by the promo, rather than the show itself, nearly all of Jewels Holland's live muscic TV show is either American's pefrorming American music or English performing American music, when we DO have our OWN good culture. This is, of course, happening in many countries but in England it's reached a ridiculous level! And this IS quite different from saying I don't like any American music/culture within our multicultural world. As for zoos... Poem 203 of 230: IN SITU When faced with a critical view, A zoo's main raison d'être is - The conservation of species; But this can be done in situ. From walkaboutsverse.741.com |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Confrontation Viper Date: 27 Apr 08 - 04:16 AM One suspects WAVs love of English Culture is as specious as his love of a Multi-Cultural World... |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 27 Apr 08 - 02:20 AM What is wrong about immigration? Slavery is bad because not only is it exploitative, abusive and degrading, but takes away people's freedom. Immigration has it's difficulties, associated with displacement and oftentimes bad economic and social status for a while, but that could happen even if you stay put all the days of your life. WAV seems to have reaped the benefits of immigration, why shouldn't others? WAV, it seems like you view the world as one great big zoo, nice to visit, as long as those lions, tigers, bears and Venezuelan beavers stay inside their cages. Culture (and music), isolated and fenced, stagnates and DIEEEEEEES. Let culture (and music) evolve, if it's a good culture (and music), it will keep the things that you love about it and become even better. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Confrontation Viper Date: 26 Apr 08 - 07:23 PM ...the sounds of American rap on their radio and thought: "traditional English folk IS better than that and WOULD be enjoyed by more youngsters here if given a... Nice to see WAV's given up on his specious love of a Multi-Cultural World and is going for an all out assault on the demoralising effects of degenerate Black Music on the nation's disaffected youth. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 26 Apr 08 - 04:59 PM Ummm...so being anti-racist and being pluralistic culture-wise makes Ruth ..let me see, you called her...spiteful and avaricious(?!!)...a pious fraud...hmmmmm well I guess that makes me the same, and I'm in great company :-) Oh and I fully intend, on my next trip to England, to become a member of the EFDSS! By the way, Andrez, I love that expression, 'dog whistle politics' *LOL* fits perfectly I think. Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Apr 08 - 01:47 PM ...and God's speed to the EFDSS...if and when I visit London again, I'll head straight for those recordings up top, I've heard such good things about. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,DJG Date: 26 Apr 08 - 01:24 PM As an EFDSS member for many years, I can only say that it's people like YOU, Ruth, with your trolling and seemingly bottomless reserves of spite and avarice; who are bringing our tradition (and the EFDSS) into disrepute by (wholly disingenuously IMO) aligning yourself with it. You've no love of music in you, you pious fraud. Over and out. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 26 Apr 08 - 10:33 AM No need for the F-word, Ian...I was just dispirited, myself, by a stop at the local super-market on the way home from a bit of tennis - as I gathered my goods I had to, as often, put up with the sounds of American rap on their radio and thought: "traditional English folk IS better than that and WOULD be enjoyed by more youngsters here if given a fair go!" Andrez - you described my poetry as "vogon like"...I just can't find the words for yours, pal..?..dis-spiriting..?..deep..?..drowning..? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Ian Burdon Date: 26 Apr 08 - 08:43 AM What a fucking pointless and dis-spiriting thread. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Andrez Date: 26 Apr 08 - 04:15 AM Oops just broke my own committment re this thread but I noticed that the key quote from Walkabouts response to my previous post disappeared as has part of the Wikipedia quote. I've reinserted the quote and reposted the whole post. This is just to make better sense of my comments below. (Aha! its because I used angle brackets that got parsed badly as html) Cheers and bye once again. Andrez David, in your response to my last post you say: "you'll see that I have NOT ctriticized any particular culture or race (far from it), but have repeatedly questioned the act of immigration itself" You continue to remain dishonest as far as your values and political orientation concerning multiculturalism. Your statement above is an example of what is called dog whistling here in Australia. Since you say you spent time here then I can understand where you picked up the tricks. For those who arent familiar with the tactic I am talking about, Wikipedia has a concise summary: "Dog-whistle politics, also known as the use of code words, is a type of political campaigning or speechmaking employing coded language that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has a different or more specific meaning for a targeted subgroup of the audience. When you speak in code(...), most of the time the only people who hear and understand what you just said are the intended group, who have an understanding of the world and a use of words that is not shared by the majority of the population......The term is an analogy to dog whistles built in such a way that humans cannot hear them due to their high frequency, but dogs can." Get it? Whether you are aware of it or not this is how you are operating and how you are trying to promote your viewpoint. Bush does the same thing as did Thatcher in her time. So did Adolf as he undermined the German state in the 20's and '30's. As I said earlier, just be up front about it and dont pretend otherwise because you are not fooling anyone other than yourself. Now that I've got that off my chest, I came across a thread with 500+ posts also pushed to promote Walkabouts views, poetry or whatever. Having scanned through that self important, self centered onanistic drivel I can only concur with other people who have suggested to boycott threads where David is either promoting his political or social views or his Vogon like verse. I know I wont bother responding to any more posts in this or other threads driven by Walkabout. I support and encourage Mudcatters to do the same. Let this thread lapse! Cheers, Andrez But taking one last tack, I offer some verse of my own (for better or verse :-) ) to Walkabout, based on yet another traditional style: ----------------------------- Hush! Don't drown the flute-song of your being In word symphony. ------------------------------- Can you hear what I am saying? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Andrez Date: 26 Apr 08 - 02:12 AM David, in your response to my last post you say: You continue to remain dishonest as far as your values and political orientation conerning multiculturalism. Your statement above is an example of what is called dog whistling here in Australia. Since you say you spent time here then I can understand where you picked up the tricks. For those who arent familiar with the tactic I am talking about, Wikipedia has a concise summary: The term is an analogy to dog whistles built in such a way that humans cannot hear them due to their high frequency, but dogs can.> Get it? Whether you are aware of it or not this is how you are operating and how you are trying to promote your viewpoint. Bush does the same thing as did Thatcher in her time. So did Adolf as he undermined the German state. As I said earlier, just be up front about it and dont pretend otherwise because you are not fooling anyone other than yourself. Now that I've got that off my chest, I came across a thread with 500+ posts also pushed to promote Walkabouts views, poetry or whatever. Having scanned through that self important, self centered onanistic drivel I can only concur with other people who have suggested to boycott threads where David is either promoting his political or social views or his Vogon like verse. I know I wont bother responding to any more posts in this or other threads driven by Walkabout. I support and encourage Mudcatters to do the same. Let this thread lapse! Cheers, Andrez But taking one last tack, I offer some verse of my own (for better or verse :-) ) to Walkabout, based on yet another traditional style: ----------------------------- Hush! Don't drown the flute-song of your being In word symphony. ------------------------------- Can you hear what I am saying? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Ruth Archer Date: 25 Apr 08 - 08:13 PM "Well, I totally disagree with WAV's views expressed on this thread, but I'd defend his right to state them openly without being tarred and feathered just for doing so." Well, one person's (crackpot) opinion is of course their right to express, but because of the tendency of far right parties to harness themselves to the English tradition, it's important that real multiculturalists, pluralists and culturally tolerant people who love English folk culture distance themselves from such sentiments. After all, you never know who is looking in. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:39 PM Do you accept, CR, there is/can be a difference between questioning immigration and being a racist I don't question immigration, you protest way too much when it comes to your alleged travels overseas and how you got on with the ...ummm..locals, you and I will always be on opposing sides, so get used to it, oh...and no I don't accept yet another attempt at rationalization on your part and no, I do not believe any sort of apology is in order on my part. Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:32 PM Do you accept, CR, there is/can be a difference between questioning immigration and being a racist? Is not racism where someone says, eg., they are ALL like this or that? Have you seen me do suchlike? I'd be one of the least racist people in the world (I DID get on okay with others on my travels) and I do keep questioning immigration - apology, please. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 25 Apr 08 - 05:09 PM well, it is only an identifier...a name I use for the purposes of this forum, other than that it means nothing, you once more using it as a distracter. Me mislead, I hardly think so. When in England, at school, I encountered the racist, divisive garbage you're fostering here, both as a visible minority and as a woman, I am sick unto death of it and those who preach it, and I will do all I can to counteract it, that you can take to the bank. Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 04:46 PM Who's misled - a mole can only be a mole, yes?! |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 25 Apr 08 - 04:26 PM This whole insertion of slavery and conquest into WAV's attempted rationalizations are nothing more than red herrings, to try and distract us away from his racism, and as for "there has been heaps of immigration (as well as conquest and slavery) over the centuries, and that's why I added "FROM NOW ON"...well, what can I say? This screams "well I've got mine, but you are going to be denied the same benefits etc that I have. Yeesh! Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,DJG Date: 25 Apr 08 - 04:04 PM Well, I totally disagree with WAV's views expressed on this thread, but I'd defend his right to state them openly without being tarred and feathered just for doing so. There are 2 or 3 deeply unpleasant, vindictive and conflicted people on this thread, and sensible moderation would weed them out rather than tacitly egging them on as (IMHO) is happening. This post will be deleted, I guess, but before you do so, Joe, just think about how ultimately you'd want to be remembered, yeah? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 03:59 PM In other words - should slavery still be legal because it was legal for so long: NO! and it is time to question immigration as well. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 03:46 PM (I've found my password and logged-in) All my own known forebears were born in England; but, of course, I understand that there has been heaps of immigration (as well as conquest and slavery) over the centuries, and that's why I added "FROM NOW ON" (above). |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 25 Apr 08 - 03:22 PM Well, you don't have to live with the results of the wedges driven between people through a camapign of uniculturalism!!! What was done in the 50s and 60s made it harder for people to accept other cultures. Why make immigration illegal? Whatabout you, aren't you an immigrant? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST Date: 25 Apr 08 - 03:19 PM Given the fact that everyone in England is an immigrant (you just need to go back emough gererations), I'd like to ask WalkaboutsVerse where his cut off is. 1600?, 1700?, 1800? This matters in terms of understanding what 'real' English folk song is. Alternatively we could just accept that WalaboutsVerse is a talentless, racist fool and ignore him.... |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,WalakaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 03:15 PM I think the UN should make most forms of immigration (along with conquest and slavery), from now on, illegal and help genuine assylum-seekers to their NEAREST safe country (which may be England or Israel, eg). Israel, along with Egypt and Ethiopia for other eg.s, is one of the interesting countries I have not visited...but, obviously, from the news, trying to have different cultures living under the one state law has had it's problems - as with modern England, and many other lands. So, Volgadon, you haven't changed my mind - but at least, for what it's worth, you're a tad more reasonable than some of my cyber-critics. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,The Mole Catcher's unplugged Apprentice Date: 25 Apr 08 - 03:14 PM 101 I was just reading an artice by Eliza Carthy which was published on the Guardian online on 13th April Folk Day at the Proms among other things E. Carthy has this to say: 'as I have grown older I have tried to concentrate less on the worthiness of what it is that I love, and more on making beautiful, interesting music that people will just want to listen or dance to, and making sure it gets heard on its own terms, because that is how you begin to feel a connection to something, no matter who you are or where you are from.' Makes sense to me. Charlotte R |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:59 PM 100 |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Neil D Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:59 PM M. Ted, Thanks so much for the YouTube link for Jim Pepper. I just spent the last hour learning about a remarkable musician who had heretofore slipped beneath my radar. This is why I love Mudcat. I can always find something of value to occupy my time. Even on a thread originally started by that silly prat, GUEST,WalkaboutsVerse. And no WaV I won't apologise for pointing out what a silly prat you are. Neil |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Ruth Archer Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:52 PM "An attempt to enforce uniculturalism in Israel has left deep scars and retarded the growth of our own culture." well said, Volgadon. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Volgadon Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:40 PM WAV, I am from Israel, a multicultural place if ever there was one. We hail from all over the world and from very different cultures and backgrounds. Each brought something diferent and special. This is especialy true in food and music, but as this isn't a gastronomy forum, I'll talk about the music. Israeli music has echoes and influences from Eastern Europe, from the classical music of the West, from German cabaret and Russian songs of the 20s and 30s, French chanson, folk songs and liturgy from the Balkans, North Africa, Turkey, Iraq, Persia, Yemen, Arab music, jazz, rock and roll, the big folk scare, country and western, and Celtic stuff. One of our most famous folk songs, the Finjan, shares a melody with the Armenian song Hingala. Has any of this damaged Israeli culture? No, we've taken things and made them our own. We are all the richer for it. You would probably rant about it, but several years ago this rich kid who played keys in various rock and pop bands became very interested in Ethiopian culture. He began to collaborate with young Ethiopians resulting in something called the Idan Reichel project. Ethinc-infused pop. The greatest service it has done is in making Ethiopian traditions more accesible and understood to the rest of us Israelis, thus making it easier for young Ethiopians to hold on to their own traditions. It is very hard to do so if your ignorant peers hold in it in contempt!!! An attempt to enforce uniculturalism in Israel has left deep scars and retarded the growth of our own culture. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,Your Conscience Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:37 PM But you don't want "them" here though? Hypocritical? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:35 PM As I said, I hate imperialism, Captain - be it Nazi, Victorian, or any other; and I did enjoy VISITING all those different countries/cultures on my shoestring-travels. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: The Sandman Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:19 PM you may not have noticed but I deleted you from my myspace friends ,three months ago. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: The Sandman Date: 25 Apr 08 - 02:15 PM Cumberland Clark, wrote in the heyday of the British Empire.,So his efforts are possibly excusable. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Ruth Archer Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:56 PM No, I shouldn't. Racism takes many guises. I believe your politics of separatism, cultural insularity and purity, and anti-immigration constitue racism. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: GUEST,WalkaboutsVerse Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:54 PM I just put that into google and found Venice and Harrogate, etc...which, kindly, Cumberland Clark, Captain? |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: The Sandman Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:41 PM Walkabout,you remind me of Cumberland Clark. |
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Subject: RE: Pop Goes The Folk Singer From: Peter Beta Date: 25 Apr 08 - 01:28 PM Easier said than done, WAV, but trust me: don't feed the trolls. And keep up the good work. |
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