Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008

Subject: Jim Moray in Whitby
From: GUEST,Kate Longmate
Date: 13 May 08 - 10:52 AM

Is anyone going to see Jim Moray in Whitby on Saturday? It'll be a treat to see him perform in the fabulously intimate surroundings of the Coliseum... if you haven't already booked and are a member of myspace or facebook, look out for special ticket deals! (gig details at: http://www.musicportfestival.com)

See you there! K x

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby
From: GUEST,Music fan
Date: 13 May 08 - 04:32 PM

No, I've seen him once.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 08 - 04:50 PM

I'm with 'Music fan', once was enough...

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 08 - 05:20 AM

Still keen to see what he can do though - and I hear the band's great too ...
and Belinda O'Hooley must be worth a look!

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Kate Longmate
Date: 14 May 08 - 07:28 AM

Indeed Belinda O'Hooley as support and Jim has Jamie Delarre (of Mawkin fame) in the band with him...

He'll be doing the first set as a more stripped down acoustic type thing and then for the second set going electric to debut his new album in full!

I for one can't wait, should be a great night!

K x

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 14 May 08 - 08:07 AM

I wish I could come - I think he's done some really interesting work in recent times which hasn't got half as much profile or credit as it deserves.

I like folk artists who take risks.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 08 - 09:12 AM

I think it's had too much profile. Quite the dire musician.

I think associating Jim Moray with 'risks' is like suggesting that the Isle of Wight is a place firmly rooted in the "noughties"!

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 14 May 08 - 09:40 AM

Safely anonymous dissenting guest(s),
I can't take your opinion at all, whilst you cloak yourself so.
Why is it that those that slag off artistes they don't care for
feel they must mask their identity?
If you really believe JM's no good, have the decency to stand up
and be counted.
It's not your (entitled) opinion I deplore,
merely the cowardice.

I can't make the gig personally (playing a gig myself elsewhere, same night)
- would have liked to go see the man 'live' for the first time.
I would also have liked to support the Colliseum (having played there last year).
It's a great venue and needs more support to establish it as a regular folk venue.

I hope the evening is a resounding success for artiste/venue and supporters alike.
All the vey best - HipflaskAndy - that's Duncan McFarlane to you, guest(s)!

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Kate Longmate
Date: 14 May 08 - 10:33 AM

Dear Guest,

Whilst you are entitled to your personal tastes and preferences, I think it is fair to point out that you don't get to be a graduate of Birmingham Conservatoire if you are a 'dire musician'.

Thanks Ruth and Hipflask Andy!

K x

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 May 08 - 11:15 AM

Good grief, five years on from the hoo-hah stirred up by the wilfully ignorant over the release of Jim Moray's first CD and the knives wielded by invisible hands are out again. These are shadowy types who have never bothered to see or listen to Jim Moray (except once, maybe, by accident) yet resent his streams of new ideas about how to present trad music, his musicality and his success.

Their "argument" (such as it is) is that musical training, expertise and knowledge have no place in what they call "their f*lk scene". These people were not, btw, being "told" to attend a particular concert, merely asked if they were going. Since they are not (having, doubtless, a prior appointment at some dire singaround) perhaps they could just get on with it quietly and not bore everyone else with fatuous and spiteful reasons why they won't be attending this concert. It's not compulsory.

Way back then, they labelled Jim Moray "the new face of f*lk", which I think was a weak attempt to be insulting. Jeez, I know who needs the new face, not to mention something resembling a brain. Whatever happened to being supportive of someone actually working hard to raise the level and public profile of English trad music?

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 08 - 11:17 AM

I beg to differ. If you were of a higher calibre you would have probably gone to one of the better conservatoires, (RAM, RCM, Guildhall and these days even Trinity) where the level of student expertise and tuition far outshines Birmingham's "conservatoire"

Just my opinion. Curiously my surname is Guest so I'm not actually hiding from anyone.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 08 - 11:21 AM

Unfortunately, to my mind, the average "Folk" audience is swayed by musical cliches and poor musicianship. Take Jon Boden's shameful attempts at composition, for example - even the RSC are blinded by a, sadly, nepotistic scene which spends so much time patting itself on the back it stops listening to the shameful music actually being performed.


Mr. Guest

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 May 08 - 11:38 AM

As it goes, Jon Boden has an MA in composition. Not exactly shameful.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 08 - 11:46 AM

From Durham.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Kate Longmate
Date: 14 May 08 - 11:50 AM

Ah, deary deary me...

Well, we will all be having a lovely time at the Coliseum on Saturday night regardless of anyone else's opinions!

Lots of love,

Kate x

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 14 May 08 - 12:03 PM

Jon Boden's first degree is from Durham. His MA is from London.
I'll see him later on at the Vagabond launch.
Won't bother to pass on your muddled not-so-good wishes.
Would be nice if I could get to Whitby at the weekend, but I sadly can't.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 08 - 12:10 PM

The London "Cupboard" of Music no less. Surely it should have closed down by now - it's worse than Birmingham!

Try to enjoy yourself tonight Diane.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 14 May 08 - 01:04 PM

I saw Jim and band supporting us at the Thekla last week-he, and they, were brilliant. I highly recommend it, it's inventive, hilarious and serious all atonce. And one song had a chorus of about twenty different singers, recorded over the festivals last year, including Tim VE and Roy Bailey. Wicked. Go and see him
x e

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 May 08 - 03:27 AM

I've never heard Jim prior to him being booked to play at the Coliseum, but after all the vitriolic comments about him he must be doing something different so I'm looking forward to the gig immensely if only to see what all the fuss is about. There are numerous well known artists I wouldn't cross the road to listen to however I've formed these opinions AFTER I've seen them.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Bruce
Date: 15 May 08 - 04:35 AM

Hmmm, we're all a bit muddled aren't we? Aside from an appearance on Mike Harding last night, he's hardly been on the radio/press/tv in the last few years, so hardly overexposed. And when he was everywhere it was because he'd released a genuinely ground-breaking album at the age of 21, and it was a good story. You can hear pretty strong echoes of that album in Rachel Unthanks stuff and the Imagined Village for example - whether you like that sound or not, it did change things a few years back.

Aside from that I bet most of you have no idea what he actually does nowadays. For the last few years Jim has been playing with an acoustic trio of melodeon, fiddle and guitar/mandolin playing mostly Morris music.

Give the guy a break, he's not being pushed in anyones face and the music he's making now is actually very traditional and mudcat-friendly, if only you'd get over your ridiculous predjudices.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 May 08 - 03:28 AM

PA's already set up, beer and wine purchased, theatre cleaned. Just waiting for Jim now, hopefully see many of you tomorrow

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: old salty
Date: 16 May 08 - 06:04 AM

Cant stand it, i cant go!! But let me tell you he is FAB !!!
   
   Dont miss it, + have a fab night. (without me!) salty XX

   p.s he's pretty fit too! X

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,DJG
Date: 16 May 08 - 07:59 PM

Hmmm, can't help thinking, reading this thread through, that if I were Jim Moray I'd be far more alarmed by some of those claiming to be my supporters than by any of my detractors! Sheesh!

When will the Archers and Easbys of this forum realise that whenever they speak out in support of an artist (however worthy or otherwise); scores of people will be put off ever going to see them or buying their albums, purely because they daren't risk being seen dead in the company of such odious, bottom-feeding trolls. Haven't you people done enough harm to our music already?

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: *Laura*
Date: 16 May 08 - 08:12 PM

no

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,belinda oh
Date: 17 May 08 - 03:10 AM

well, i for one am really looking forward to the gig. I think Jim does something innovative and fresh and I'm chuffed to bits to be supporting him, ta.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 17 May 08 - 06:02 AM

Well, DJG, clicking on your "name" and seeing your previous contributions to the forum, there's only one bottom-feeding troll I can identify here...

How 'bout we all try and guess your real name? Bet I can...

Anyway, hope everyone going along tonight has a lovely time. I'm sure you will.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Kate Longmate
Date: 17 May 08 - 06:30 AM

Looking forward to seeing lots of lovely people there tonight and of course Belinda and Jim...

See you there if you can make it!

Kate x

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Noel
Date: 17 May 08 - 07:02 AM

I think any artists that stir up a bit of chat and passion should be given a slap on the back. It's pushing the music forward and breaking bounderies which keeps music alive and vibrant. Big cheer to Jim and Belinda - both guilty of the above!

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: Raggytash
Date: 18 May 08 - 04:57 AM

What a good night both Jim and Belinda were on fine form, don't know why there was all the fuss about Jim, some of his material was great and I'd certainly sit and listen again. Belinda was also on top of the game and came across very well.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Rich
Date: 18 May 08 - 06:06 AM

Hi all. Just a quick note to say Jim was great last night. We saw Jim at the Sage Gateshead the night before, and as he doesn't play up North that often, we decided at the last minute to go to the Coliseum to catch him once more. Lovely venue, and we had a great excuse to fit in fish and chips beforehand too ;)

Jim was as fantastic as ever. It was a very contrasting set; the first half was solo and very much what we're used to hearing from Jim in the past; some beautifully moving piano pieces, acoustic guitar, melodian etc.

The second half was amazing and completely different, incorporating keyboard, xylophone, electronic, drums, electric guitar ... the sound was fantastic. It was so different I'm sure I saw the "older generation" squirming in their seats unsure what to make of it. All I can say is it was fantastic and well worth seeing.

Our only disappointment was that Jamie, on violin, hadn't made it (looking at MySpace, seems he was at another festival!)

We first stumbled on Jim when a friend had tickets last year but couldn't make it, so we went along save them going to waste. Since then we've been hooked. Bearing in mind we're not Folky in the traditional sense (more indie, pop, rock), I think Jim is the kind of musician that can generate new fans, people who would never have ever considered listening to Folk music, like us.

So well done Jim. Really look forward to seeing you again, hopefully soon. Can't wait for the new album in July. Rich

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Kate Longmate
Date: 18 May 08 - 07:24 AM

What a great night, Belinda and Jim were both on fantastic form, I for one can't wait to hear new recordings from both of them.

Cheers,

Kate.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 19 May 08 - 07:33 AM

I think, sadly, that I probably qualify as "older generation" but I certainly wasn't squeaming in my seat, just think on that we "oldies" also saw Bob Dylan, Fairport and Steeleye Span, now they were radical at the time

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 19 May 08 - 09:47 AM

Bob Dylan????? Fairport? Steeleye?

Shall we compare oranges with Apples.

Us oldies should sometimes know when to shut up and stop living in the past and recognise new and important talent for what it is.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 19 May 08 - 11:29 AM

If you read my contributions to this thread you may see that's exactly what I am doing. I did say, if you care to read my post carefully, that I WAS'NT squirming in my seat.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 19 May 08 - 12:07 PM

what you actually said was 'squeaming' in my seat - I have no ida just what you mean by that, but it seems from your post that you are another terminal ' it was much better in the old days' diehards. I would love to be shown to be wrong though.........

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 May 08 - 03:29 AM

Silas, please read it again I said I WAS'NT squeaming (squirming)in my seat, what I was trying to indicate, although it obviously fell on deaf ears, that just because we may be of an "older generation" as suggested by Rich it doesn't mean to say we cannot embrace new artists, new idea's, new presentations, as we've already been through it before.

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 20 May 08 - 03:58 AM

OK matey! We are of the same mind then. Have you heard his sisters new CD? Bloody fantastic!

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 20 May 08 - 05:20 AM

Silas, to be quite honest, prior to Musicport booking Jim for the gig at the Coliseum I'd never heard of him, rarely listen to Mr Hardings programme, so unless an artist has played locally I'm a bit off the beaten track. I've not heard of his sister either what name does she go under, I presume the second bit is Moray!

Have to say I thought Belinda Gilhooley was excellent

Subject: RE: Jim Moray in Whitby - Sat 17 May 2008
From: GUEST,Silas
Date: 20 May 08 - 05:39 AM

His sister is Jackie Oates.