Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 05:24 AM

I see this thread has surfaced again... it took some months for "Norman/whoever" to stop sending me many abusive threatening emails (see message at 09 Dec 08 - 08:28 AM) - it appears that they may have ceased after some contact with various ISPs in the chain between us, who got full copies of everything - as did Joe & Max (since Max also got some "interesting/amusing" personal responses) ... oh, and several Aussie legal authorities, whose response was mainly underwhelming, to say the least... :-( no wonder ther are so many active scammers out there...

Whether the 'scheme' is legal or a scam, I don't know (I'm only saying this since things were made VERY personal for me!) and don't really care... unless they start on ME again.... :-0

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 05:38 AM

Oh btw ... did a whois just now on

http://www.anrmagazine.com/
at
http://whois.domaintools.com/

Results...

Whois Record

ANrMagazine.com is for sale

The owner of the domain you are researching has it listed for sale.

Buy ANrMagazine.com now >

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Interesting, eh wot! :-)

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Feb 10 - 05:44 AM

Oh - looking further at the 'search site'..

we get
(domains for sale????)
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hmmm...

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: Y_Not
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 02:26 PM

I know this subject has cropped up again and again, but I received this email today, my partner did answer 2 international phone calls but could not hear the caller.


I tried to phone and a lady answered, however, it seemed as if she was not able to hear me.

From: The Mayfair Collection
Subject: Dear Tony - Hello from Geneve, Switzerland

Greetings from Geneve, Switzerland
I trust you do not mind me contacting you in respect of a notice you poster on a website in respect of some Australian firm named AnR

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=112553&messages=153&page=1&desc=yes


Could you please tell me if this is LEGIT ?

We have someone who claims to have won the reward and is looking for a HUGE sponsorship from us based on this award she is supposed to have won !

I look forward to your feedback, if, and when convenient.

Many Thanks
Sebastian

I would just like to know what you make of this?

Thanks

Tony

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Apr 10 - 05:08 PM

Just read the whole thread and make up your own mind, mate. :o)

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: GUEST,Marlene Duval and Associates, New York
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 08:39 AM

My client received THIS threat this morning - actually it should have been directed to my firm here in New York - no name needless to say.

I say, BRING IT ON "MATE" - "MAMMA, AND VIRGIN MUSIC AUSTRALIA ARE WAITING FOR YOU" !

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Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: GUEST,Marlene Duval and Associates, New York
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 07:15 PM

Here is how my team see things….

Who does not want to be coining it in like Madonna or Lady GaGa ?
Place adverts on free sites and mass spam e-mails.
Attend 1 MIDEM function, or dupe people to represent you at a MIDEM function.
People respond to spam, MIDEM, free adverts on free blogs and websites and chat pages specifically orientated to the music industry Etc.
You only want non Australian clients for this to work.
Charge a fee to potential musicians who are gasping for some PR and status-quo improvement, plus promises of potential contracts with big named distributors.
Get a P.O. Box Address where people send money to.
Make sure they only send physical CD, an MP3 could be traced or too much work to deal with – after all this is a scam, so, money in, not out.
Bank the foreign money orders – or cash them.
Buy a barcode (ISSN 13 NUMBERS +/- AUD $35.99).
Possibly recycle the ISSN Barcode over and over.
Print the odd monthly or quarterly Magazine (eg. in China, 40 pages, full color, low gr paper +/- AU$1300.00 per month ?) that you can send to your "exclusive" clients – do not forget, you may not sell these magazines as they are actually not genuinely recognised or accredited by any relevant music bodies.
Make sure the recipients of the magazines are part of a select mailing list – no public enquiries allowed.
Charge an extra fee for "AnR Awards" or/and "AnR Award nominations" (charge up to an extra AUD $2700.00 for this).
Cancel the "award" ceremony at the last minute for some reason beyond your control (blame the caterer or an offshore volcano) and then simply mail something that will make the poor sods believe they won something.

Optional is in which order you wish to follow the above 14 procedures.

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Apr 10 - 11:33 PM

"We have this matter in the hands of our USA attorney"

Unnamed & no contact address! Possibly mythical? :-)

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: Andrez
Date: 25 Apr 10 - 07:32 AM

The trouble is as the famous American saying goes, "there's a sucker born every minute" and thats how bottom feeders like this lot survive

What gets me of course is that it appears that you don't even have to have a registered company or even a legitimate trading address to run these scams overseas. Just a computer and a pretty superficial "angle" to dangle out there to tempt musical newbies looking to promote their product in a pretty cut throat industry.

Of course then there is the question of how any money that is actually made running this "show" is accounted for in terms of income? If there is no legit registered company, then is it private income and who is it that is actually benefitting? Hmmmmmmmnnnnnnnnnnnnnn, wonder what the Tax Department thinks about that?

Good on you guys in New York, keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: GUEST,Daniel, Lisbon
Date: 26 May 10 - 01:40 AM

This AnR/AMMA (which has nothing to do with respectively AMA or A&R, two real music entities in Australia) has now reached Portugal, adding to the UK, USA, South Africa, Australia and believe it or not; this wannabe starlet Yolanda Soares even managed to get a sponsorship from Montepio bank, a 200 year financial institution by bragging about the "prestigious" AnR Award of Excellence. Well more precisely the fraudulent, fake, preposterous and pathetic sticker:

http://www.montepio.pt/ePortal/v10/PT/jsp/montepio/patrocinio2.jsp

Montepio bank's sponsorship managers know about this scam and guess what... they still have it on their Institutional page!!!

Subject: RE: Anyone heard of AMMA (Australia)
From: GUEST,Marlene Duval and Associates, New York
Date: 27 May 10 - 06:21 PM

International Criminal Charges laid against Portuguese singer Yolanda Soares (Iolanda Isabel d'Albuquerque Pina Soares) and her Manager Carlos Vicente (Carlos Alberto Salvador Vicente) and "By The Music"(son o No.014672/020711 - contribuinte No. 506 227 871).

The charges relate to obtaining goods and services by deception from international sponsors.

Upon advice of Australian Authorities in Melbourne who have been investigating the illusive Australian Music Marketing Abroad (AMMA)and Mr Norman McCourt (apparently not a Director nor Editor of the A n'R - artist, repertoire and international licensing),criminal Charges have been laid against little known Portuguese singer Yolanda Soares (Iolanda Isabel d'Albuquerque Pina Soares), her manager Carlos Vicente (Carlos Alberto Salvador Vicente)and "By The Music"(son o No.014672/020711 - contribuinte No. 506 227 871).

"By the Music" is a Portuguese registered business.

Charges laid for "obtaining goods and services by deception".

These charges relate to a National Marketing Campaign for her world tour , a sponsorship obtained with the use of fraudulent so-called "AMMA / An`R" music award from Australia.

Yolanda Soares and her management now also have serious questions to answer to shareholders of Portuguese bank Montepio.