Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Mad Spaniel Date: 18 Aug 08 - 10:28 AM Neil Young Patti Smith Leonard Cohen Steve Knightley Nanci Griffith Joe Strummer Ian Dury Elvis Costello Guy Clark Lucinda Williams John Tams Harvey Andrews Will that do for now? |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Cats Date: 18 Aug 08 - 09:46 AM Jon Heslop [I'm biased], Mike O'Connor [Crowdercref], Barrie Temple, Lucy Burrow [Hawker] |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Folk Form # 1 Date: 18 Aug 08 - 09:37 AM Too many to mention. Really, too many. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 18 Aug 08 - 09:05 AM I can't disagree pdg ... Ian Anderson is certainly a genius when it comes to songwriting. who else could pen such slyrics as this (one of my favs of his) .... "Heavy Horses" Heavy HorsesIron-clad feather-feet pounding the dust An October's day, towards evening Sweat embossed veins standing proud to the plough Salt on a deep chest seasoning Last of the line at an honest day's toil Turning the deep sod under Flint at the fetlock, chasing the bone Flies at the nostrils plunder. biLL |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: balladeer Date: 18 Aug 08 - 08:58 AM Memo to Marion: She seems to have disappeared from the Net, but if you're interested in women who write from history, see if you can track down the work of Rosalie Peppard. She's back in Nova Scotia now, but a few years ago she was living and playing in Toronto. Her oeuvre focuses on the lives and historical contexts of mostly unknown Canadian women. She wrote a song called Evangeline that is as good as any song I've heard. Re Nashville. Lots of talented writers there for sure. Kevin Welch and Kieran Kane to name a couple. My favourite writers today are Rick Speyer and Garth Douglas. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: pdq Date: 17 Aug 08 - 09:45 PM Ian Anderson wrote: Nothing To Say To Cry You A Song Inside Time For Everything? Nothing Is Easy as well as Aqualung, Bungle In The Jungle, Locomotive Breath and dozens more...wow, what an intellect... |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: oldhippie Date: 17 Aug 08 - 09:06 PM The late Kate Wolf comes to mind as consistantly writing good material. Another consistant favorite is Carolyn McDade. Otherwise, most favorites are for a single particular song. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Jayto Date: 17 Aug 08 - 06:44 PM Hey I know exactley what you mean Nashville is all about image, marketing, hooks,.. everything but talent. It is sickening to me to see the current shape of Nashville. There is an underground scene that is cool though. I just hope it finds a way to surface. I don't see how it can though. It is so political and all about the charts. I got out of the main stream stuff yrs ago (by choice) I just can't stomach it. You are totally right Peace. It doesn't matter where you are you can see it. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Peace Date: 17 Aug 08 - 06:35 PM Soory. What I meant was that today it seems like a commercial venture as opposed to a music venture. I quit even knowing how to spell the name when they turned their collective backs on the Dixie Chicks. I expect however that that's just the side of Nashville I see and that your view is both clearer and more well informed. No offense. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Peace Date: 17 Aug 08 - 06:32 PM Yeah. But that was Nashville then. Then there is Nashville now. I think the worlds are different. ?? |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Jayto Date: 17 Aug 08 - 06:00 PM I did not realize Fred Rose wrote that. That is cool Uncle Tupelo had a great song titled Acuff-Rose it was on thier Anodyne CD. Great song but then again it was Uncle Tupelo they were great anyways. Acuff-Rose you talk about a company that shaped Nashville and Country music OMG. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Peace Date: 17 Aug 08 - 04:37 PM The following will take you to a bio of Fred Rose. But be aware there are pop-ups galore, and if you do not have a good firewall, forget it. I couldn't cut and paste. Sorry. http://www.angelfire.com/me2/kulacoco/rose.html |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Big Al Whittle Date: 17 Aug 08 - 04:35 PM Wolfgang Winterbottom and his much misunderstood solo album, 'Songs you Can Wipe You Nose On.' Dreadful songs! but what a character! My favourite songwriter. As they said in Rolling Stone, 'a bar of Winterbottom can bring mucus to the driest nostril.....' |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Gene Burton Date: 17 Aug 08 - 04:24 PM It's probably been said before, but the reality is the best songwriter is most likely somebody whom none of us has ever heard or ever will. I mean, who knows why the breaks fall as they do? For me, increasingly, the answer is trad. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: pdq Date: 17 Aug 08 - 04:00 PM Slight oops...Fred Rose signed Hank Williams in 1946 and helped him get the MGM recording contract signed the following year. Rose stayed with Hank as manager and co-writer. Fred Rose was "...(along with Williams and Jimmie Rodgers) as one of the first three inductees into the Country Music Hall of Fame." |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Lizzie Cornish 1 Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:57 PM In no particular order: Harry Chapin Bruce Murdoch Steve Knightley Ron Bankley Bruce Cockburn Martyn Joseph Loreena McKennitt Dougie McLean Reg Meuross Bruce Springsteen The Oysterband (collectively or individually) Jez Lowe John Tams James Keelaghan Oliver Schroer (whose violin sang Oliver's words) John Denver Stephen Fearing Ashley Hutchings Dave Gibb Noah Zacharin Tom Palmer Mike Silver Joni Mitchell Vinnie James Emmy Lou Harris Fred Small Shania Twain Gordon Lightfoot Sandy Denny Richard Thompson John Mayer ...just for starters.. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: pdq Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:49 PM According to AMG it was written by Fred Rose, as in Acuff-Rose Publishing Company. Fred Rose signed Hank Williams as a writer in 1947 where he joined Pee Wee King and others. They taught Hank Williams the art of songwriting. "... Williams signed to MGM in 1947, Rose became his manager and producer, also co-writing classics including "A Mansion on the Hill," "Kaw-Liga," "Crazy Heart," "Settin' the Woods on Fire," "I'll Never Get Out of This World Alive," and "Take These Chains From My Heart." Rose also possessed an extraordinary gift for placing Acuff-Rose material..." So, let's extend the list of Country songwriters to Harlan Howard, Cindy Walker, Willie Nelson and Fred Rose. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Jayto Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:32 PM Thanks PDQ I didn't know that. Do you recall who did it originally or wrote it? I swear man this is why I think this site is so great. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: pdq Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:29 PM "Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain" is a Depression era song so Willie did not write it. Kinda like "Miss The Mississippi And You" that Emmylou Harris did such a nice version of. Also Depression era retro. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Little Hawk Date: 17 Aug 08 - 03:16 PM Yeah, I somehow forgot Willie Nelson too. The guy is just incredible, one of the greatest of all time. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Jayto Date: 17 Aug 08 - 02:44 PM Willie Nelson man I don't know how I forgot to put Willie on here. Blue Eyes Crying In The Rain makes me melt. I heard it when I was a kid and started crying the only other song I can recall that moved me that hard when I was a kid was If you could read my mind by Gordon Lightfoot. Willie is incredible and such an influence on American music in general. Willie gets respect no matter what scene he rolls in (no pun intended) in the US. Such a cool cat man it is impossible to pput it into words. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,Marymac90 Date: 17 Aug 08 - 01:42 PM Thanks, Gene, for introducing me to Harlan Howard and Cindy Walker. On the American audiences thread there's been some talk about how "folkies" are divided up into different communities, based on genre, Like trad, Irish, singer-songwriter, blues, bluegrass, contra dancers, etc. One such community that isn't known terribly deeply by most "folkies" is the social change music community. Of course, a fair number of the songwriters mentioned are in that community, but others not mentioned are Charlie King and Fred Small, as well as Joe Hill and John McCutcheon, who has one foot there and one foot all over the map! Other great songwriters that I don't THINK were mentioned (please forgive me if I'm wrong) include: Willie Nelson, Fats Domino, Bruce Cockburn, Bill Staines, Elizabeth Cotten, Tom Lewis, Fats Waller, Steve Goodman, and Lyle Lovett. If you want more info on any of these, please drop a line in the thread. All the best, Marymac |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: dwditty Date: 17 Aug 08 - 12:14 PM Oscar Brown, Jr. Tom Waits Randy Newman Tim Buckley Mose Allison Billie Holiday (For God Bless The Child - My favorite song of all time) Dan Hicks |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Gene Date: 17 Aug 08 - 12:11 PM Everybody has their favorite songwriters, Hank Williams, Sr. has always been a favorite of mine, but consider the two below. IMHO, two of the greatest songwriters that ever lived. I cannot think of any others that come close to this record of achievement. ============= HARLAN HOWARD "I Fall To Pieces", "Life Turned Her That Way", "Above And Beyond", "I've Got a Tiger By The Tail", "Don't Tell Me What To Do", "Somebody Should Leave", "Somewhere Tonight", "Too Many Rivers", "Why Not Me", "Busted" & "Blame It on Your Heart". Most people knew Harlan Howard by the songs he penned, more than 4,000 of them. In a career that spanned more than six decades, the "Dean of Nashville Songwriters" established himself as one of the greatest and most prolific songwriters of the Twentieth Century. One critic daringly dubbed him the "Irving Berlin of Country" because of the number of classics he added to the annals of country music. More than 100 of his self-penned tunes hit the top ten and his compositions became chart-toppers for artists as diverse as Patsy Cline, Ray Charles, Buck Owens, Dean Martin, The Judds, Reba McEntire, Waylon Jennings, Glen Campbell, and Dolly Parton. But Harlan Howard's friends knew there was more to the man than song titles. Behind his enshrinements in the Songwriters Hall of Fame, the CMA Hall of Fame, the National Academy of Popular Music Hall of Fame and the Grammy Hall of Fame was a complex and unique man, a true interpreter of life well and fully lived. Those fortunate enough to number among Harlan's intimates knew he was born in Detroit and raised on farms in Michigan, but times were tough for a young farm boy in the years following the Depression. He started writing country songs around the age of 12, listening to and loving the Grand Ole Opry, Ernest Tubb and Floyd Tillman. Although he managed to complete just nine years of formal education, he educated himself by reading books – sometimes as many as four and five a day. Harlan moved to Los Angeles in 1955 to pursue his dream of songwriting, where lacking faith in his ability as a songwriter, he took a job as a forklift operator (There were no factories in Nashville). He devoted every spare minute to perfecting the craft of songwriting. He was possessed by songwriting, and each day left the factory with several new songs stuffed in his shirt pocket. "I'd come home from work sometimes with six songs," the writer said. "During that period of time, I never knew there was that much money in songwriting. I was just writing because I loved it. I never thought I'd be able to quit the factory and make a living full-time as a writer." A year after moving to LA, he met Tex Ritter and Johnny Bond and played them some tunes from his cardboard box full of songs. Slowly at first, with their help and that of others such as Wynn Stewart, Bobby Bare and Skeets McDonald, he began to have his songs recorded. His first real hit came in 1959 when Charlie Walker recorded "Pick Me Up On Your Way Down." Shortly after that both Ray Price and the pop singer, Guy Mitchell, put his "Heartaches By The Number" on the top of the country and pop charts simultaneously and his destiny was sealed. Harlan moved to Nashville in 1960, and as the hits began to chart, the legend of Harlan Howard began to soar. A year later, in 1961, his career exploded, and he had as many as 15 songs in the top 40 of the country charts at one time - an amazing feat for any writer and one never since equaled. Harlan began hanging out with the other struggling writers, such as Hank Cochran, Willie Nelson, and Roger Miller at Tootsies Orchid Lounge across the alley from the old Ryman Auditorium, home of the Grand Ole Opry. Patsy Cline was a favorite Opry star who used to stop in between shows. This nucleus would gather wherever there was a guitar and swap their latest songwriting efforts, hoping to plug a few songs to Opry stars. From these late night/early morning "guitar pulls" another Nashville legend was born. Harlan scored hits in the five decades: the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's, and 90's. Harlan was fond of saying, "The lyrics usually flow easily and often." The "three-chord kid", as he was frequently called, believed country music was mostly lyrical content - about 90% words and 10% melody. He considered his songs his children and tried to find the perfect home for them; crediting much of his success with matching the right song with the right singer. Artists such as Nanci Griffith, Mel Tillis, kd Lang, Collin Raye, and Patty Loveless chose Harlan Howard compositions to establish themselves on country radio. Producers rarely passed up an opportunity to listen to a tune submitted by Howard for fear of missing the next country classic. In the late '80s, Harlan's publisher, Tree, was sold to the foreign conglomerate, Sony. Howard took on a new endeavor and started a small publishing company, Harlan Howard Songs, Inc. With his guidance, several "juveniles" had recent chart-topping successes such as The Chain of Love, Clay Walker; Real Live Woman, Trisha Yearwood; Someone You Used To Know, Collin Raye; and She Was, Mark Chesnutt. His hit by Patty Loveless, Blame It On Your Heart, was named BMI Song of the Year as the most performed country song of 1994. Harlan continued writing well into his seventh decade of life, long after many other writers had begun to relax on their royalties. Howard didn't intend to put aside his pen. "I've been wanting to do this since I was 12, so it's a lifetime hobby and quest," he stated. "I never tire of it. Sometimes I do get burned out temporarily, but I can't imagine not wanting to write one more great song, get one more great record, or work with one more great singer. I like to give artists a song they have to sing the rest of their lives. Songwriting is both my living and my pleasure, so I'm a happy man." On March 3, 2002, Harlan passed away at home with his wife, Melanie, by his side. He was 74 years old. A memorial celebrating his life and songs was held at the Ryman Auditorium. ============ CINDY WALKER Cindy Walker (87), died on March 23 in Mexia, Tex. A country songwriter whose pure, plainspoken lyrics of romance, heartbreak and picturesque prairies were recorded by major artists like Bing Crosby, Elvis Presley and Willie Nelson, making Top-40 country or pop charts more than 400 times. Until the 1990's, Texas Monthly observed in 1999 it was easier to count the number of country stars who had not recorded Cindy Walker songs than those who had, She had Top 10 hits in every decade from the 1940's to the 1980's. Even as country music veered in louder, brasher directions, her continuing appeal to traditionalists is suggested by Willie Nelson's release of an album of her songs, "You Don't Know Me: The Songs of Cindy Walker." The title song was a hit for Eddy Arnold in 1956, Ray Charles in 1962 and Mickey Gilley in 1981, and was re-recorded by Mr. Charles with Diana Krall for his best-selling 2004 album of duets, "Genius Loves Company." Presley, Van Morrison, Patti Page, Roy Orbison, Kenny Rogers and Emmylou Harris are among others who have recorded the tune. Will some JoeClone straighten up any misalignement of text after posting. Thanks G |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,Lucky7s Date: 17 Aug 08 - 11:19 AM For the ladies, Joni Mitchell, Patti Griffin, and Patti Smith. For the lads, Andy M. Stewart, kinda old school but Leon Russell, and my fave of all time, Arlo Guthrie. I'd second Laura Nyro & John Prine, too. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Midchuck Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:26 AM Favorite is easy: Tom Russell. Second is very hard. A tie between Utah Phillips Jim Ringer Stan Rogers Ian Tyson Guy Clark Dick McCormack (link; link Andrea Cady (purely personal bias) And probably two or three others that I'll think of as soon as I post this. Peter |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: bankley Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:18 AM okay, for lyrics.. my huckleberry friend, Johnny Mercer |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:16 AM Oh how could I forget Richard Thompson....one of the best ever. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,HiLo Date: 17 Aug 08 - 10:09 AM In no particular order Bob Dylan, Leonard Cohen, Joni Mitchell, Niel Young, Bruce Cockburn, Van Marrison, Paul MacCartney, Ian Anderson, Hank Williams, Stephen Foster, Stan Rodgers,David Byrne, Rita Mac Niel, Johnny Cash,Eric Bogle, Paul Simon, Jagger and Richards. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 17 Aug 08 - 08:08 AM I sit here corrected (by my wife) and I am in a rather humbled dispostion ... Amadaes cannot be considered a songwriter as he did not write the librettos ... so, alas he is but a mere musical composer. now ... a songwriter not so far as mentioned and I feel should be most certainly be mentioned (as he is a favourite of mine) and that is Jimmy Webb. biLL |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 17 Aug 08 - 07:54 AM Ludwig wrote the musical score to 'ode to joy' .... Fredrick Schiller wrtoe the words as a poem. biLL |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: kendall Date: 17 Aug 08 - 07:20 AM Ludwig wrote "Ode to Joy". Beats the hell out of "I love a rainy night." |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: kendall Date: 17 Aug 08 - 07:10 AM Schubert wrote Ava Maria, one of the most beautiful songs ever written. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: eddie1 Date: 17 Aug 08 - 01:52 AM So many names I have to agree with but three missing so far (I think) Jake Thackray – for looking at the world in a different way from the rest of us. Finbar Furey – if only for his song "Lonely One" which should be compulsory listening for everyone who tours doing gigs. Iain Mackintosh – his "For The Special Friends" is definitely one of these "I wish I'd said that" songs. Eddie |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,Ravenheart Date: 17 Aug 08 - 01:03 AM Jack Hardy. Without him, whole regions of our experience would have no maps to them. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,Texas Guest Date: 16 Aug 08 - 11:35 PM I would have many of the above mentioned songwriters on my own list but would add: Michael Smith, Kim Ritchey and Jack Williams. Cheers. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 16 Aug 08 - 07:48 PM Now kendall, if you had made a note of Amadeus Mozart in you post ... well, I guess he could be classified as a songwriter. ... but ... then again ... as I say .... who really gives a rat's ass. biLL |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 16 Aug 08 - 07:43 PM They were composers of music Kendall (musical composition) .... they were not songwriters (wrote musical compostion and the lyrics to that music). But ... what the hell, who really gives a rat's ass. biLL |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: kendall Date: 16 Aug 08 - 06:25 PM Schubert, Beethoven, Brahms. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: John Hardly Date: 16 Aug 08 - 04:52 PM Writers? Stevie Wonder Felix Cavaliere/Eddie Brigatti Hoagy Carmichael James Taylor Carole King Carly Simon (That's The Way I've Always Heard It Should Be is nothing short of brilliant -- lyrically and musically) Pierce Pettis Paul Simon (charges of light-fingered writing, notwithstanding) Bachrach/David Rodgers/Hammerstein Lennon/McCartney |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,number 6 Date: 16 Aug 08 - 04:47 PM Marvin Gaye |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: GUEST,Singer's Knight Date: 16 Aug 08 - 03:02 PM Oh gosh, these choices are so hard! First thoughts? Garnet Rogers and Jerry Rassmussen. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Guldhamstern Date: 16 Aug 08 - 01:36 PM I'm not a very good In no particular order: Roger Waters Bob Dylan Mickey Newbury Leonard Cohen Paul Simon Tom Waits Phil Ochs Neil Young Allan Edwall Allan Edwall (1924-1997) is best known for being an actor, for instance in most of the Astrid Lindgren-movies. His music is not very well known outside sweden. The best swedish lyrics, very witty and clever, often satirical and beautiful at the same time. Dan Anderson (1888-1920) Was more of a poet. But he made music to some of his poems. The most beautiful swedish tunes comes from his poems. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: pdq Date: 16 Aug 08 - 12:35 PM John Hartford, just because he ain't been mentioned yet. He had a unique point of view, to say the least. John Stewart was at least as good a writer than he was a singer/personality. He wrote so many songs that the gems are still, for the most part, not recognized. If I had to pick one, it would be Gordon Lightfoot. But then, Ian Tyson and Steve Goodman would probaly be there some days. And Chris Hillman is almost criminally under-appreciated as a writer, and then... |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: john f weldon Date: 16 Aug 08 - 12:18 PM Oops forget... Yip Harburg (lyrics) Uncle Dave Macon (Folky and funny!) |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 16 Aug 08 - 08:44 AM Personal favourite male is Shane MacGowan. Personal favourite female is K D Lang. There are many others that I particularly like such as: Bob Dylan Leonard Cohen Johnny Cash Yellowman Bruce Murdoch Bo Diddley . . . |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: kendall Date: 16 Aug 08 - 07:18 AM I've also been in love with our own KT since I heard her sing. Her song, Old Salt hits home. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: kendall Date: 16 Aug 08 - 07:17 AM Impossible to say. Depends on my mood and I have as many moods as favorite song writers. If I had to name one, Gordon Bok.That's complicated by the fact that he's my oldest best friend as well. Everyone knows I love Utah Phillips' songs, he was also a dear friend. Tom Paxton, somewhere between acquaintance and friend. Dave Mallett also a close friend. Stan Rogers, outstanding song writer. Spent a weekend with him but couldn't call him a friend. Bob Zentz, friend. Seamus Kennedy, friend. Tom Rowe dear friend, now deceased. You have to love such songs as, "Handful of songs" by Jerry Rasmussen. Jim Stewart dear friend.His Marco Polo suite is a masterpiece. |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: van lingle Date: 16 Aug 08 - 05:38 AM Shane MacGowan |
Subject: RE: Who's your personal favorite song writer From: van lingle Date: 16 Aug 08 - 05:37 AM Dylan, Cole Porter, Robbie Robertson (though I haven't heard any recent stuff of his), Johnny Cash, Blind Lemon Jefferson... |
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