Yorkshire carols on BBC news

Subject: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Kampervan
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:00 AM

Bigbird just phoned me to say that she'd caught the end of a feature on carols in a pub in Yorkshire, and there was our own MCFat waxing lyrical on the beauties of real folk carols as opposed to the new-fangled Victorian ones.

Nice one Jim.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Alan Day
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:12 AM

Very nice programme.It featured I think The Royal Pub in Bradfield nr Sheffield, which forms part of the Yearly Folk Festival held in the Summer.It also featured the BBC Early Music specialist and the Folk Singer Rachel Upthank,who both explained the Carol Traditions of the area and the popularity of Carol Singing in the Sheffield area.It finished with Rachel singing the chorus of a Carol written by her Father.
Very enjoyable.
Al

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:14 AM

Which programme was it on please?

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:18 AM

I thought it was the morning news as I sat and waited for the AA.

The reporter, in their usual ignorance, reckoned that "While Shepherds Watched..." used an non-trad tune. Ignoring his previous statement about local areas having their own songs (aka tunes), but most had been killed-off by Victorian standardization!

But I nit-pick.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Folkiedave
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 04:49 AM

The pub was the Royal Hotel Dungworth.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Folkiedave
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 05:16 AM

Sorry that came across a bit churlish. The BBC crew got lost on the way to Dungworth even with there SatNav! But it is the same pub as is used at the Bradfield Traditional Music Festival and a damn good boozer it is too.

Jon Boden and Faye Hield are starting a series of occasional concerts there starting with Will Noble and John Cocking on February 7th.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Kampervan
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 06:31 AM

Sorry, this thread is cross-posted with the ' Traditional Carols and Media Alert'.

Didn't spot that one when I first posted.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: MC Fat
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 07:11 AM

Thanks Paul it was indeed moi getting about 10 seconds of my 15 minutes of fame

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Alan Day
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 08:17 AM

It was on this mornings BBC1 Breakfast Programme.
The Pub is well known for it's Steak & Kidney pies.
The first one that has ever been too much to eat.
It is also home for a weekly music session.
Sad news about the little dog having to be put down.He used to sit on my foot waiting for the punters to arrive.A real little character.
Dave Prebble used to sit on my other foot waiting for me to buy him a pint. EH UP Dave, a slightly larger character.
Al

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: r.padgett
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 09:53 AM

Yes caught sight of Jim and Mr Eyre and a lot of other folkies at the Dungworth sing presumably on Sunday (last before Christmas)

Turned to breakfast and caught the Unthank contribution too!! lucky eh

All valid comments on the sing and good one for Fay and Jon!!

Hail chime on chime on!!

Ray

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 10:17 AM

For once the BBC didn't take the piss!!.
And they allowed time for Rachel and Lucy to expand a bit on the history behind the carols. (and sing a couple of bits) too.
Well done Breakfast News.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Folkiedave
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 10:25 AM

Hi Ralphie,

Coming from you that is praise indeed. I thought Rachel and Lucy at least one of whom was almost certainly wheeled in at very short notice were very good.

And that description of me as a "Veteran Caroller" was fine depending on where the emphasis comes on "veteran".

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Girl Friday
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 12:13 PM

Up early for once, I caught the item by luck. A very good interview, and the songs seemed to genuinely impress the interviewers.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: JohnB
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 12:26 PM

Is this available on a "listen again" thingy, or whatever it is called?
JohnB.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Les from Hull
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 01:05 PM

It seems to be marked as 'not available' on the BBC iPlayer page, so, apparently not. It would have been nice to see me old mates Dave and Jim on t'telly. Still it saves me buying a widescreen tv for Jim's 'ten seconds of fame'!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 01:16 PM

I just watched it: here .

Lucie Skeaping was excellent and informative as usual. The Allendale Tar Carol that Rachel Unthank sang a snatch of used to be in the repertoire of the first Winterset incarnation.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Joe G
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 03:39 PM

I recorded this and have just watched it - great to see folk traditions taken seriously for a change - maybe now there are more young people coming to the fore on the folk scene we are more likely to get some respect from the media?

Well done Dave, Rachel, Lucy and all who were interviewed - it came over really well.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 03:44 PM

Someone writing elsewhere said that the Winterset did Tar Barrel In Dale (as it seems to be entitled) last weekend, so it's still in the repertoire.

And it's LUCIE Skeaping . . .

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Les from Hull
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 05:48 PM

Thanks for the link, Diane. Very interesting. I also saw a few more of the usual suspects hanging around. Good job they didn't come in when Maggie and I were there. I don't remember there being any room for a camera!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 06:20 PM

Thanks for the correction Diane and apologies to Lucie ( I should know better as I am a regular listener to the Early Music Show on R3)

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Canberra Chris
Date: 23 Dec 08 - 11:25 PM

Happens I was listening this morning (Christmas Eve pm here) to a CD of English Village Carols (from pubs near Sheffield) put out on Smithsonian Folkways that starts with a couple of rippers from the Royal Hotel Dungworth, recorded in the 90s, I hoped it was still going.

There are four settings of As Shepherds Watched on the CD, all worthy of inclusion, and an explanation that until 1820 singing in church was restricted to metrical versions of the psalms, except for a few texts that were allowed to cover some key episodes in Gospels, and paraphrased the scriptural texts.'While Shepherds Watched' covered the nativity, and therefore became a core repertoire text, with many arrangements. It was written in 1700 by Nahum Tate, then Poet Laureate. At least one of them did something useful!

I sang with carollers as a youth around the village of Sunninghill in Berkshire, and we were invited to sing inside a couple of pubs - probably my first glimpse inside one! So it's nice to have a tiny part in the village pub carolling tradition. Long may they be belted out with appropriate gusto.

Chris

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Folkiedave
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 03:22 AM

Hi Chris,

Speaking as a veteran caroller - not only is it still going but it is going better than ever.

As Les from Hull says - the week he was there there was no room for a camera, the following week (last Sunday) it was absolutely crammed full to the gunwhales.

We have also had some great singing.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Felix
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 06:19 AM

What was the song which started "Ay up..."? Anyone able to tell me, please?

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 06:26 AM

Well it doesn't really but it was the version of While Shepherds Watched with the following chorus

Sweet bells, sweet chiming Xmas bells (repeat)
They cheer us on our heavenly way sweet chiming bells (repeat)

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Willa
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 10:39 AM

Many thanks, Diane. Well worth a listen.

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Derby Ram
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 01:14 PM

Hi

Thanks for the link. Sylvia and I watched it earlier today and repeat the congratulations to all those who took part. We were pleased, as I'm sure we all are, that the reporting was totally done with respect - no snide comments. Can we at least be optimistic that the message is getting through that English traditions are something to be proud of and are fun!?

Cheers

Keith and Sylvia

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Alan Day
Date: 24 Dec 08 - 01:50 PM

FeliX I think you may be thinking of something pronounced,but not necessarily spelt Whimoway.
Happy Xmas to All
Al

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Bizibod
Date: 25 Dec 08 - 07:56 AM

Ha-il, chime on , chime on ,
Merry merry Christmas bells chime on ,
Ha-il, chime on , chime on, merry merry Christmas bells, chime on.

Guest Felix, I think this is the one, I heard it recently for the first time ,sung at Castleton in Derbyshire.

Must admit, I do like ay-up instead.....

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Folkiedave
Date: 25 Dec 08 - 08:23 AM

Speaking as a veteran caroller I'd say it was Hail Chime on too. Another version of "While Shepherds...."

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 25 Dec 08 - 02:31 PM

Oh dear it looks like I misremembered what I heard! I get confused with the many versions of While Shepherds and we had been singing Sweet Bells a few nights previously! Sorry about that!

Happy Xmas everyone. Look forward to meeting everyone here next year!

Subject: RE: Yorkshire carols on BBC news
From: Pistachio
Date: 25 Dec 08 - 04:58 PM

Thanks for that link,
Merry Festivities to all.
H.