Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?

Subject: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: MickyMan
Date: 26 Dec 08 - 07:48 PM

I'm looking for a web-based free radio station or regularly scheduled program that sends out only unnacompanied singing in the tradition of Engish language songs. I'm on the lookout for new stuff to bring to some acapella folk sings - hopefully something that is not already done by somebody else in our local group. Any ideas?

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 08:18 AM

here is one song for you.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUoZkOw02uE&feature=channel_pag

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 09:10 AM

I doubt there's any station or programme that only transmits acapella English singing. You'd do better to get out to folk clubs, singarounds, etc and/or buy new/used folk cds of likely singers.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: treewind
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 10:47 AM

What Suegorgeous said, and if you are looking for CDs Pride of The Season is recommended for English trad unaccompanied and some crackings songs that aren't done much (or not in those versions). There are accompaniments on some tracks but you can safely ignore them...

Anahata

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: JohnB
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 11:10 AM

If you have not heard of "Young Tradition" give them a listen, also Peter Bellamy on his own did a lot of a cappella material.
You will find it different if you are not familiar with them.
JohnB.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 12:26 PM

Since most of the older songs were really done a cappella (before "revivalist" musos dressed them up for modern audiences), finding good songs is as easy as fishing with dynamite.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 01:08 PM

That reminds me.... there is that CD series of collected folk songs from the British Isles (almost exclusively acapella) - Voice of the People series - about 12 separate cds I think. But you can also usually find them in public libraries. And libraries can be a good source of folk cds (the bigger ones?)

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 02:32 PM

Perhaps that is true in Britain, but no longer in the states. Folk holdings here, even in metro areas, tend to be minimal, especially for traditional music. The game is not preservation of information and culture, but trash entertainment.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 27 Dec 08 - 02:52 PM

My local library (Bristol UK) has quite a sizeable collection of folk music (though a little out of date due to funding constraints I'm guessing). I once trawled through it for trad songs, found a fair few. I'm guessing other main libraries are similar.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 06:22 AM

What's with the "a capella"? Barbershop quartets sing 'a capella'; singers of British Folk Songs sing 'unaccompanied', for God's sake!

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Artful Codger
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 12:04 PM

Oh please, let's not rehash that old argument. Unaccompanied, a cappella--whatever; get over it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 04:54 PM

Yes, I suppose I should get over being contemptuous of pretentious, arty-farty, winky-wankiness ... ?

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 28 Dec 08 - 05:42 PM

Anyway - for most of the barbershoppers I've known, a church is but a distant memory, I'm afraid...

Regards

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: MickyMan
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:07 PM

Yes, terminology is difficult but necessary. If I write "a capella" in Youtube or wherever, then I get all of the new stuff done by the many wonderful non-traditional singing groups that are all over the place these days. Great stuff ... but what I'm looking for is the traditional stuff which I can sing when we want to put down the instruments and just use our voices. With the many new stations doing traditional folk on the web I thought that somebody might know of one that has a program that is more along the lines of this sort of thing.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 29 Dec 08 - 08:14 PM

The reason there probably isn't one is probably the same reason that it's rare to get anyone doing a full live set of purely unaccompanied singing - because it's hard to keep it varied enough, unless it's a very skilled/esteemed singer. Audiences generally don't seem to like more than a couple of acapella songs in a row.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 11:43 AM

Mind you, it might be better to ask yourself - "What range of material does this group cover at the moment? What sort of material might broaden it out - or just provide a different angle on some of what we already do?". If you list out a typical night's program, you're unlikely to lack for suggestions from this forum - and guidlines on where to find suitable material!

Regards

Subject: RE: Unaccompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 12:40 PM

If we are restricted to online audio resources provided at somebody else's expense, the options are of course limited. There is in any case, so far as I can tell, no internet 'radio' devoted solely or even largely to traditional unaccompanied singing; the average 'folk' listener seems to find that sort of thing too challenging, so demand is relatively small. 'A capella' is a term more usually applied to other genres, so unhelpful here.

There are however a number of very useful resources provided by well-funded American institutions such as the Library of Congress. All have been listed in past discussions here (some quite frequently, indeed) and range from collections of ethnographic field recordings to archives of printed music. A list of links to many of the major sites, with brief descriptions, can be seen at

http://www.folk-network.com/directory/links/song-collections_web.html

These are recordings of real traditional singers in the main, so sometimes a bit rough and ready. Very useful for somebody looking for less well-known material, though, particularly in an American context. I believe that Mike lives in the USA, so he should find such things as the Max Hunter and John Quincy Wolf collections particularly interesting.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: nutty
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 12:41 PM

Welcome back Malcolm .... we missed you

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: MartinRyan
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 02:04 PM

Hear, hear, here, here!

Regards

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 03:16 PM

Well, I run an Internet radio programme, uploads for which are announced every month on Mudcat Cafe. It's multi-racial, multi-cultural and multi-lingual, and it tries to feature every form of traditional music and song on the planet. So it's by no means a haven a haven for acapella singing. Even so, here'sa list of everyone I can think of who has appeared on the programme singing acapella in English in the two and a bit years since I started running the station.

http://www.live365.com/stations/oneworldmusic


22, Little Red, Tangle Eye & Hard Hair
Alabama Sacred Harp Singers
Almeda Riddle
Amy Birch
Angelo Dornan
Annie MacKenzie
Arthur Howard
Aunt Fanny Rumble
Belle Stewart
Bert Lloyd
Bessie Jones
Bob Brader
Bob Davenport
Bob Forrester
Bob Hart
Bob & Ron Copper
Bodmin Wassailers
Bridget Tunney
Bright Light Quartet
Carmel Gunning
Carollers from the Royal Hotel, Dungworth
Cathie Stewart
CB and Gang
Charles Jones_Cordell Reagen_The SNCC Singers
Charlie Murray
Charlotte Renals
Children at Dingwall Primary
Children at San Juan's Government School, Trinidad
Children at St Mary's Junior Schoo, Leyland, Lancashire
Clear Rock et al
Coal Aston Carollers
Congregation of the Laurel Glenn Regular Baptist Church
Copper Family
Cyril Phillips
Cyril Poacher
C.J. Evans Gospel Choir
Daisy Chapman
Dillard Chandler
Doug Wallin
Duncan Williamson
Dungworth Carollers
Eddie Butcher
Edna Ritchie
Elizabeth Cronin
Ernest Williams & Group
Eunice Yeatts MacAlexander
Evening Breezes Sextet, The
Ewan MacColl
Foolow Carollers
Frank Hinchliffe
Frank Mills
Frankie Armstrong
Fred Jordan
Freda Palmer
Freedom Singers
Geordie Hanna
George Dunn
Golden Gate Quartet
Grace Clergy
Harry Cox
Harry & Walter Sealy
Haxey Boggans
Heather Heywood
Heavenly Gospel Singers,
Hedy West
Hobart Smith
Horton Barker
Howard Adams and Congregation, Mayking, Thornton Old Regular Baptist Church, Kentucky
Ingbirchworth Carollers
Jack Elliott
Jane Turriff
Jean Ritchie
Jeannie Robertson
Jimmy McBeath
Jimpson
Jock Duncan
Joe Heaney
John Copper & Jon Dudley
John Maguire
John Maguire "Big John"
John Partridge
Joseph Taylor
Jumbo Brightwell
Keane Sisters
Kelly Pace, Aaron Brown, Joe Green, Paul Hayes, Matthew Johnson
Kelly Pace/Charlie Porter/L T Edwards/Willie Hubbard/Luther Williams/Napoleon Cooper/Albert Pate/Willie Lee Jones
Ken Hall
Kevin Mitchell
Kings of Harmony; Walter Latimore, Baritone ?/Carey Bradley, Lead/Marion Thompson, tnr/Eugene Strong, Lead/Bill Morgan bass
Len Graham
Lizzie Higgins
Lloyd Chandler
Louis Killen
Mabel Hillary
Mary Anne Carolan
May Bradley
Mitchell's Christian Singers
Nan Tom Taimin a Burcha
Nimrod and Phyllis Workman
Norman Kennedy
OLD SOUTHERN SACRED SINGERS
O.J. Abbott
Packie McKeaney
Paddy Tunney
Peta Webb/Ken Hall
Phil Tanner
Rosie Stewart
Roy Harris
Sam Larner
Sarah Anne O'Neill
Sarah Grey
Sarah Makem
Sheila Stewart
Sophie Legg
Stanley Robertson
Strange Creek Singers
Texas Gladden
The Birmingham Movement Choir
The Cantwell Family
Tom Lenihan
Truro Wassail Bowl Singers
Vera Hall Ward/Dock Reed
Walter Pardon
Willie Scott
Wiregrass Sacred Harp Singers

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: The Sandman
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 03:29 PM

about time you played me, Fred.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 30 Dec 08 - 03:51 PM

My previous missive should have mentioned that the list didn't include all the non-English language acapella singers I've played in that two and a bit years. Also, quite a number of the singers listed have featured on the programme several times. On top of that, I left off a number of singers - Texas Alexander being a prime example - whose style was basically unaccompanied, even though Alexander's recording manager saw fit to provide him with backing musicians. All in all, I feel justified in describing Worlds of Trad as a haven for quality gear.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 08:48 AM

Fred

I couldn't get this to play. I clicked World of Trad under Broadcast Schedule and nothing happens. Should I be doing something else?

Sue

Subject: RE: Tech: Unacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Fred McCormick
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 09:31 AM

Are you on broadband? If so there should be no problem. You do though need to click the yellow play button to the left of Worlds of Trad. That will bring up a seperate box, after which the station should start to play automatically. If it doesn't, said second box has a grey play button underneath a blue advertising slogan for VIP Membership. (Don't worry. You don't need it.)

Try the above, and give me a shout if you're still having difficulties. But do remember also that, even after you've pressed the play button, you need to allow a few seconds for the programme to connect before the sound starts coming through.

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Suegorgeous
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 02:22 PM

Fred - Yes, on broadband, with a fast computer! just tried buttons on both Station Page and Broadcast Schedule pages, and nothing happens, though I do get a message at the bottom saying "error on page"...

Has anyone else tried this link? what happened?

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 31 Dec 08 - 02:27 PM

The site works absolutely fine for me - more power to Fred's elbows!

Subject: RE: Tech: Unnacompanied singing on Web Radio?
From: MickyMan
Date: 06 Jun 10 - 11:26 AM

Thank you to all who have added to this thread. It just seems strange to me that nobody puts together a looping que of unaccompanied songs on a web station the way they do other specific random stuff that I have come across. i wish i had the technical ability to do such a thing. In my current quest for more material I make multiple hour recordings of "The Village" with my digital recorder and then listen to them while I paint the house. When something really strikes me I write down the time and title in the info section of my itunes (ex. 1:45.05) so that I can find it later. Then I download a single copy of what I want to add to my own library.
Any ideas on how to do this more efficiently?