BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism

Subject: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 06:23 AM

If you're easily upset by tales of animal abuse, I'd read the rest of this with caution


I doubt the likes of 'Anon' and /b/ will that well known to many (if) any of you, but they've garnered a reputation in the media and on the internet regarding taking on and demonstrating Scientologists as well as harassing individuals over the last few years. Sometimes there's a serious or specific reason behind it, but other times it's a bit arbitrary and uncalled for.

Anyway, over the weekend two short videos appeared on YouTube of teenager (Kenny Glenn) beating his pet cat Dusty - punching it and slamming it into tiled bathroom walls. Luckily, the cat lived but obviously the treatment it received was abhorrent.

The videos were seen and linked to on /b/ - which is an image-based internet message board and a furore broke out. /b/ is often described as the 'internet hate machine' and I think most people on here would find the contents uncomfortable, to put it politely, but the videos hit a nerve. Glenn and/or YouTube deleted the videos and suspended his account, but the videos were mirrored by '/b/tards' (posters on the /b/ message board) and the story was purposely spread to other sites and message books so the story wouldn't go away.

In very quick time, they'd linked Kenny Glenn to various other on-line accounts - practically everything connected to him that was on-line - his home address in Oklahoma, phone numbers, his school details, his father's place of work and contact details and so on.

Some almost CSI-style detective work was involved in this, comparing background elements in photographs from his Facebook account to things in the background of the YouTube videos as well as 'less than legal' computer-related activities.

The police were contacted and the information that have been gathered passed on was passed on to them. Dusty is now at a vets whilst the D.A. is meeting with lawyers for the Glenn family on Tuesday.

So, was this a 'good thing' or a 'bad thing'? Much of this involved the same group of 'anons' that have targeted Scientology over the last 12 months or so. If you were aware of those activities, has the retribution for Dusty changed your mind at all? For better or worse? Are they (still) internet bullies? Are you worried that these kinds of groups can exist who can very easily fall on either side of the moral fence? Should they have got involved at all?

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 12:48 PM

When your local branch of the Hell's Angels delivers toys to kids in the hospital, does it change your opinion of them?

Did the (untrue) story about the Mafia putting out a contract on the guys who raped a nun change your opionion of them?


(Having asked those questions, I must state that I had never heard of these particular internet groups, and so far have formed no opinion of them whatever).

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:12 PM

Some thoughts here.

A teenager who not only "punches his cat and slams it into the wall" but films himself doing it is a danger to everyone around him; I shudder to think what he may be like in years to come, when he will have more power over his life.

There are laws against animal abuse. I hope that is followed up.

YouTube was correct in taking down the video and rescinding his account. I should think they too could be liable.

Another person perpetuating the video... Unbelievable.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: wyrdolafr
Date: 16 Feb 09 - 01:36 PM

Ebbie wrote: "Another person perpetuating the video... Unbelievable".

The reason the video was 'perpetuated' was that if Glenn was solely responsible for pulling the video - it's not clear whether YouTube pulled it or whether it was Glenn himself covering his tracks - it wouldn't be forgotten or 'brushed under the carpet'. The idea was to draw attention to what he did.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 11:47 AM

An awful lot of teenagers are videotaping and posting themselves planning and even committing crimes. From the Columbine killings to the stabbing death of a 16-year-old girl here in Pocatello, I can't think of any good reason for it other than the mythical "15 minutes of fame."

It's as if they WANT to get caught -- and perhaps they do.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: robomatic
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 02:33 PM

People have posted some pretty unattractive things on youtube, which are perfectly legal. F'r instance snake feeding times, the thing is the posters usually know they're gonna reap some upset messages and respond "Hey, it's just nature taking place when I leave my bunnies in the same room as my constricter."
The posters get off on the outrage.

Slamming around the cat in my opinion he got what he deserved. But if he'd fed it to the constrictor he'd've been covered.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:03 PM

I'd prefer to separate the emotive issue of a little cocksucker beating his cat, from the potential dangers of the kind of 'virtual vigilantism' which his actions 'incurred.'

I think what is dangerous, is that the retribution does gratify one instinctively. That's the first reaction. So groups like this, can appeal to 'the common man' who is fucked off at his own shit lot/genereal shit in the world, in that they appear to be rebelling against a flaccid and corrupt establishment, by fighting the good fight on our behalf. There is a drama and romance in this. Illustrated by plenty of stories and pop myths.

But what's the truth behind the motivation of any vigilante? A frustrated worker for good, who cut's to the chase and does what needs to be done? Or someone who gets a gratifying buzz out of using the 'moral highground' in outing the 'bad guy' or 'supporting the underdog', to legitimise their own repressed sadistic dominator drives?

I do not know what woud motivate someone to become involved in 'arbitrary' causes, unless they had a pretty dodgey impulse to cause grief or weild some kind of power over others, which was supported by some exceedingly loose ethical appeals to 'justice'.

In short, there are a lot of furry animals out there being abused every day, by all kinds of cocksuckers. I don't believe retribution of the kind this group brought about will aid the causes of any of these creatures. And I do suspect the possibel hidden power junkie motives of any form of non-personal or at least non-cause based vigelantism.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:04 PM

Bollox, I posted that, when I meant to edit it. Eh oh...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: michaelr
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:24 PM

Cocksuckers everywhere are protesting...!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:29 PM

Are they Michaelr? Sorry, I must have missed your placard..

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Wesley S
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 03:56 PM

wyrdolafr - were any laws violated? It sounds like all of the information that was published was - as far as the internet is concerned - public information. As far as the punk kid who abused his cat. I can't find any sympathy for him. And now he'll know that there are consequences for his actions. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

We all need to realize that anytime we post something on the internet - and yes - that includes the Mudcat - that the effects can be far reaching. For better or worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: michaelr
Date: 17 Feb 09 - 07:01 PM

...so I'm told. They don't want to be lumped in with this Glenn scumbag.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 03:55 AM

Apologies Michealr I misunderstood your post. That was a bit cheeky of me.
Thought you were taking the pee out of my comments!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: John O'L
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 04:30 AM

" ... has the retribution for Dusty changed your mind at all? For better or worse? Are they (still) internet bullies? Are you worried that these kinds of groups can exist who can very easily fall on either side of the moral fence? Should they have got involved at all?"

Find the cost of freedom ...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 04:54 AM

Mmm, well I haven't watched the Kenny video so it's impossible for me to judge on that one.

But I have seen stuff on YouTube which has purported itself to be 'funny' and which is actually just 'funny' because the owner thought it was 'funny' to do stuff to their animals which terrorised them or otherwise tormented them: Drunk tiny puppies, hamsters spun on superfast wheels, arthritic dogs incapable of standing or coming to the owner when called. I don't look at animal videos on YouTube any more, because you never know what the content is actually going to be.
(I can't even watch crap like "Animals do the Funniest Things' because it usually features 'funny' clips of animals who are obviously disturbed or even have symptoms of some kind of physical disorder, that make them do 'wacky!' stuff' >cue canned laughter<)
So I sure as hell won't be watching the Kenny vid.

Unfortunately, much as I personally hate cruelty to animals, with all this material out there where animals are seen as furry objects to have fun with. It's a much broader cultural ignorance which is really the culprit, and again I feel that the particular boys in this instance, are possibly going to become scapegoats for our own cultures various forms of generally accepted cruelty, misuse and inhumanity towards other creatures. And scapegoating style witch-hunts - which fail to address core issues, are again, further dangers I see in any form of vigilantism.

I did however watch some news footage about the case.
And it is quite fascinating how the vigilantes tracked him down... Even creepy.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 09:44 AM

"Even creepy."

Isn't that the point of the thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 06:17 PM

i go to school with kenny, and i kinda think its unfair what happened to him, what with the anon things. kenny totally got what he deserved...but this is gonna haunt him for the rest of his life. ppl @ school are planning to jump him...its pathetic, and kenny doesnt deserve it, even if he is really really sick.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 07:03 PM

Not as much fun to think about, perhaps, but cherry is probably right - the boy no doubt needs some serious help rather than diabolical punishment ...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 04:33 PM

kenny came back to school today...he didnt look really happy. he left just before luch because no one would talk to him or anything...plus he's claiming that it wasnt him in the vid...

idk what to think. i dont think anyone does

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: frogprince
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 05:15 PM

Was, or was not, this properly defineable as vigilantism? On the one hand, it appears that the "vigilantes" messed around in a lot more than was necessary or called for to identify Glenn (his father's place of work, etc.) On the other, they didn't go after him personally; they turned the information over to the police. This doesn't sound like a bunch of kids that we really want to see grow up to become police officers, but it's a murky situation to judge.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 07:18 PM

cherry - Thanks for the update. People always, naturally, want to know what to think, and the more troubling the issue, the more desperately people want to know what to think. Often this leads people to join one side or the other whether they're really sure that side is right or not - it puts an end to their uncertainty, and thus makes them feel more secure. Sometimes the more mature course is to simply accept that you don't know what to think, and hold off passing judgement. It is not your duty to punish this young man; nor is it your duty to save him. There is no harm in being civil to him, and at the same time, there is no harm in keeping your distance.

It may be many years before you really understand what happened here, if you ever do. Don't expect to really understand now.

By the way, be aware that he or your other classmates may read what you write on here, as anywhere else on the internet.

Good luck - and feel free to post more if you feel it helps.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,Slag
Date: 20 Feb 09 - 07:52 PM

Bring forth the evidence! The authorities are not omnipresent and information gathered by citizens of a crime should be brought to the proper authorities' attention for appropriate legal action. Sometimes the authorities need convincing so the hew and cry is raised until said authorities are raised from the inertia and prodded to take said action! No? Such is not vigilantism.

Unfounded and continual harassment of an individual, suspect or not, should be and is illegal. When a mob, organized or not, takes the law into its own hands, THAT is vigilantism.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,gneal
Date: 21 Feb 09 - 07:58 PM

what's even crazier is that kenny glenn is innocent....wow. watch the video. the sound of him hitting the cat doesn't match up with when he hits it. he didn't do it.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 03:09 AM

I only saw edited footage of the YouTube, but the clips I *did* see, looked rather minimal in terms of 'violence'. From the clips I saw, it looked spiteful and rough, but not serious.

I have been wondering if the boys were genuinely beating the cat, or *acting out* a scene of *mock violence*? I won't watch the video, in case I'm wrong. But I'd like to hear what the vets have to say after examining the cat. Were there any sprains, fractures, bleeding or any other evidence of injury found on the cat?

I'm not being an apologist for animal abusers anywhere by the way, I'd just like to know how much the boys were acting out a 'scene' on camera, and how much they were genuinely beating their animals?

As said previously, what concerns me in any instance of this ilk, is public scapegoating and witch hunts.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: kendall
Date: 22 Feb 09 - 09:34 AM

Many years ago I was visiting an old shipmate in another town, and I noticed his neighbor's dog tied out in the sun with no food or water. I went over to see, and sure enough, no food or water.
My old mate said he does that all the time, so I called the Police and insisted they do something. My old mate hasn't spoken to me since.

I would do the same thing if it was MY neighbor!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:53 PM

kenny update: no one's talking to him at school execpt his girlfriend and he got his name legally changed because of all the death thrests he's been receiving.

he also claims that the vid's a fake. hm...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:57 PM

oh, and to sleepy rosie: yeah, the cat had a broken leg. poor thing. it kinda proves that the vid isnt really a fake...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 23 Feb 09 - 04:58 PM

crap! lol, all of those posts were me, btw. *cherry* (:

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 12:15 AM

"all of those posts"?

Were there more that got deleted because you forgot to type in a user-name? Same thing's been happening to me ...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 03:04 AM

"the cat had a broken leg. poor thing. it kinda proves that the vid isnt really a fake"

Fair enough, Cherry. I just wondered...
The cat must have received quite beating to break a leg. They're pretty resiliant little creatures.

Is Kenny's older brother receiving much critisicm in all this?
Or has he passed under the radar because he's 'invisible', on the other side of the camera. From what I remember the older brother is something like seventeen, so if anyone is 'responsible' in this situation he should take the greatest burden of blame.

Well, there is at least one good thing to come out of this, I bet it'll disencourage 'copy-cat' (no pun intended) videos of kids torturing their animals for fun, being put out on the internet. Though as I've said before I won't watch the 'funny' animal videos anyway, because they are often cruel in nature. And some of the stuff I've heard other people laughing about, has been very nasty indeed. That's quite possibly why the big reaction to this video seems to me dissproportionate, and will become an example of scapegoating for much deeper cultural issues around the way we treat animals in general.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,Oliver
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 11:36 AM

It's important to keep in mind that Kenny Glenn is in no way innocent here. The police did not apprehend the wrong person. Dusty was found at the house, as well as a third tape of a (different) cat being abused.

Additionally, Kenny is not any less innocent of his crime simply because his brother may have influenced him in doing so. Don't be fooled into sympathizing for him simply because he is currently upset and unhappy. The dude beat two cats.

The Glenn brothers are sick, racist scum. This much is fact. Both are blatantly guilty, and deserve serious punishment. Keep in mind that this is NOT an isolated incident for the two -- there WAS another cat.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,Mohamed
Date: 24 Feb 09 - 07:44 PM

Well boo-freekin-hoo! He is unhappy and no one is talking to him, THE KID BEAT UP TWO CATS! The only thing i do feel bad about is that he is getting off with a slap on the wrist, seeing as he deserves a lot more then that. Also i have seen the videos and judging by the way he screams and what he screams he is obveously disturbed. I beleave its urgent that he is taken to a phsycologist/ tharapist immedeatly to deal with whatever issues drove him to this. After all, animal torture is the biggest of tell tail signs of a serial killer in the making.

If you dont beleave me just look up Ted Bundy, Jeffery Domer. according to Dr Vizard that:

    "...cruelty to animals, if accompanied by a sexual interest in animals, is a high-risk indicator of a future sex offender."
AND
"the FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appears in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders."

In short the boy needs help.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,Monica
Date: 25 Feb 09 - 03:19 PM

Ummm, sorry Cherry but it sounds like either you or he made something up about this name change. If it was done for security then why would he tell it to you? What is that new name, Cat Killington?

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 02:33 PM

Believe me, I find all this stuff very upsetting. But none of it is new, or shocking in a world full of brutality and cruelty bred from ignorance and mindless expression of primal and *natural* instincts.

Just today a reminder of an earlier RSPCA campaign through my door featuring the tiny fluffy kitten 'Frazzle' who a group of kids had attempted to burn to death, presumably for a laugh:

'A nine-week-old kitten [was] set on fire by Bradford teenagers [...]
Dorothy Woolf, general manager at Mount Street, recalls the day more than three years ago when the tiny kitten was rushed to the RSPCA shelter.
"There was a serious braying on the door and there was Frazzle stinking of smoke and still smouldering," she said.
A woman had rescued him from a group of children."'
From Telegraph & Argus archive

In another similar story Olive the kitten was rescued from a group of teenagers trying to drown her in engine oil. Again, presumably for a laugh.

Is every child or teenager like this 'sick' and in need of therapy? I hardly think so. In fact I think that the precident for amusement being found in tormenting and causing pain to small creatures was one set a long time ago, and considering its widespread existance more cultures than I could shake a stick at, it's hardly a new or unusual example of human behaviour, in our history and culture.

I think the reason that there are Glenny Kenns and his kind burgeoning out there, is a cultural sickness, not a personal one. And as much as *I would probably love to kneecap that little fucker myself*, I still know that witch-hunt style hysteria over individual instances of animal abuse by kids like him, are but a drop in the ocean...

Is every British tourist who watches a bull fight when on holiday, sick? Are they in need of therapy when they get an adrenalin thrill out of the kill and see that blood pour out of the beast, does that thrill in any way echo sexual excitation, and if it does does that make them sexual perverts? Or are they merely pray to ignorance, and imitating what they have seen other people do before them?

I'm not arguing that cases like this be ignored! There are real issues around how we battle against the mindless expression of the ugliest impulses in human nature (and especially in the young who far more than ever before have access to all kinds of desensitising and 'stimulating' material on the internet.) I'm just trying to place it in some kind of perspective, and in the context of a much bigger picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Wesley S
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 03:14 PM

Rosie - Would you want Kenny living next door to you? I personally would not.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Sleepy Rosie
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 05:59 PM

Wesley S - No I wouldn't have him anywhere near me if I could help it! Of course I can't help it. For all I know the youth two doors down from me kicks and puts his cigarattes out on his dog in front of his mates to show how much of a big dick he's got, the child next door to me watches 'funny' videos of cats being spun around in washing machines on the internet, the young farmer down the road beats his pigs with a spade to get them to move..

Of course I think Kenny Glenn is a nasty little piece of shit for what he did, but he's in no way alone or even 'abnormal'. And I dont' assume that he's utterly lost. He just needs to be taught something about compassion and care for other creatures.

I don't know what the answer is to all this cruelty...

My own feeling would be some form of non-military based 'national service' where young people learned to gain reward from engaging in charitable and compassionate forms of activity. For I fear they may not in many circumstances (where kids/teens/youths abuse animals for fun - which isn't uncommon!) be learning those positive 'responses' to compassionate and giving activity at home. Not merely for learning compassion towards animals, but the value of non self-interest and general social awareness full stop.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 26 Feb 09 - 10:07 PM

us at the school know about this new name. he's already had it changed like twice. the teachers call him by it now, and i have friends who are friends with him

its obvious kenny is a bit sick...and i do feel sorry for him, regardless, okay?

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 09:38 AM

Rosie - I'm reminded of a TV series here called "Dexter". When a police officer catches his son Dexter killing and abusing animals he's convinced that his adopted son shows all the signs of becoming a serial killer. So he trains the boy on how to channel his emotions and dealing with it in an "acceptable" way. By killing other serial killer. Dexter grows up to be a forensics expert for the Miami police. And saves blood samples from all of his victims. It's a twisted series - and it has a suprising amount of humor in it. How they were able to make a TV series out of such a dark subject is beyond me.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Wesley S
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 09:41 AM

Dexter

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 10:07 AM

Anyone who harmed my animals would get harmed by me.

I have no sympathy for any human who harms an animal deliberately for their own 'enjoyment'.

If 'Kenny' is now feeling fear, well...then he's experiencing just a little of what he put his cat through.

This sickness that is pervading the minds of so many young people today is deeply disturbing. I know the RSPCA themselves are terribly worried about it. What causes humans to want to harm a defenceless animal? I don't understand.

Harming animals is totally beyond me, but then heck, I used to bring worms in out of the rain when I was little.

All my life I've had animals, they are a part of me...

Sorry, but this kid has got his just desserts, and it'll teach him about the internet too.   I doubt he'll ever do it again. I hope he's banned from ever having animals, for the rest of his life.

I take no prisoners in some crimes, and those who abuse children and animals will get a severe sentence from me.

I hope the cat recovers fast, and is found a new home where, hopefully, it will be able to recover and live the rest of it's life surrounded by love.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 01:36 PM

"and i do feel sorry for him, regardless, okay?"

Yes, it's okay, and it speaks well of you. As you can see, there are plenty enough people taking care of the vengeance and punishment part of the equation, and there always will be ...

"This sickness that is pervading the minds of so many young people today is deeply disturbing."

Clearly this sickness is not pervading cherry's mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 27 Feb 09 - 07:04 PM

awww, thanks.

well, kenny (as he's still currently known) is doin just fine. people still hate him, but he acts the same as always. he's been recognized at the school as a good student, so maybe he's getting a little better. in high school, maybe he'll do a little better.

in the meantime, im not gonna come back to this site and try to tolerate all the people who say he's a horrible person and he got what he deserved. he DID, and we all know it, so whats the point in hatin on him still?

well, i think this'll be my last post. thnx 4 listenin(:

---cherry

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: jacqui.c
Date: 28 Feb 09 - 09:34 AM

I would be a little concerned about the way this boy was traced. In this case it would appear that some action was needed to help the cat and to maybe do something about the boy. However, there is a very fine line here.

The first poster mentions 'as well as 'less than legal' computer-related activities.' being used to track down this boy. Maybe, in this case we would overlook that, as the end result is that the cat has been rescued - a satisfactory end to a nasty event.

However, this boy now has a real stigma attached to him, and one that is not likely to go away for a long time, if ever. In the UK, because of his age, it is unlikely that his name would be released to the public if legal action were taken. i think the same holds true in the USA. This boy's identity is now known to internet users all over the world.

What happens next time someone with the ability to track down internet users takes exception to something they see on the internet? There is a heavy element of cyber stalking here and it's a little scary to think that some people could be capable of tracking any of us to our homes. So, if we say something that the stalker doesn't like or agree with? Who is going to be the arbitrator of when it is right to carry out this action and when it is wrong?

I think that the video link should have been handed over to the police or to an animal organisation with a strong suggestion that they should track this lad down and deal with him. Internet vigilantism leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,Empathy101
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 04:00 PM

Here are Mrs. Glenn's own words concerning this issue:
"Would it help you to know how the cats are doing? Medical exams including X-Rays from two vets report no scratches, no bruising, no tenderness just two healthy happy cats. Inspite of this we signed papers for the cats to be rehomed.
Today as I read comment after comment on some internet sites that have proliferated about my son, a common thread came up that seemed to enrage a lot of people about Kenny. Some think that Kenny made the video to record himself abusing an animal. They think the he took the video of Dusty to look powerful. If that were true he would be psycho. He was wrong for making the video and it did at least scare the cat but what we have found is that the his intent was to create a Parody.
The intent was not to brag about hurting his beloved Dusty, not at all. The he wanted to create a believable video that would get a lot of response on youtube. He was trying to make it obvious; hence he even titled it "Animal Abuse" on YouTube.
The parody went too far at least scaring the cat and enraging viewers all over the world. The video was splashed over our local news time and time again. The boys were quickly arrested and are now going thru court proceedings. They are receiving punishment at home and thru the court system. They are remorseful and sorry for what was done.
What you may not know is that some very sick people have acquired free web space and even purchased domains such as Kenny-glenn.net, thekennyglenn.com, neverforgetdusy.com, kennyglennwillpay.com and the list goes on. These websites continue to propagate not only the video, but they altered the video and you likely saw one manipulated for the purpose of inciting rage and disgust.
They strip the sound and video creating various altered versions some even dub in perverted dialog. One site (thekennyglenn.com) has the most grotesque vile images I could never have imagined existed. These sick people will stoop to any low to incite you to rage.
The internet is their playground and they are using manipulated images and dialog about my 14 year old son to get you involved in their game. While it seems the entire world is taking their rage out on us, one family in this world, one small community, this sick group of cyber terrorists sit back and bolster their ego over how much havoc they can create and how they can recreate an image and story and send it to the local media of a small community then watch it unfold over their spider web of slandering web sites they put up in my son's name. They relish in their success of getting you the viewer of THEIR distorted images and words to send us hate mail and death threats.
You may well have watched an altered view of the video. It is the purpose of a group out there to capture images alter then feed them back to the public to incite you to rage. Unfortunately my son provided them the perfect opportunity. Then they lead a campaign of hate phone calls, emails and hardmail etc.which you apparently fell prey to.
Some of the sites slander my son, my family, our business and some of them pose as my son behind various versions of kennyglenn or glennspam1 out on the messages boards. They carry on dialogs with abrasive vulgar responses to people who think it is actually Kenny. All this incites people even more and as a result we continue to receive harassment towards our family, business, the school, the court house, media and DA. Be assured Dusty is well and in good hands and the boys are suffering and are being dealt with strong discipline thru court and home.
You have Kenny's sincere apology for the Dusty Video. We forgive you and hope you can forgive Kenny knowing the consequences still last.
sandi"
By the way,there's also a group at Yahoo (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kennyglenn ) for people who are disgusted by all the hate being directed toward this boy.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 02 Mar 09 - 04:49 PM

omg, i couldnt resist coming back on this site, and im glad to the poster above^

this is very interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,meself
Date: 03 Mar 09 - 11:26 AM

Yes. I haven't actually watched the video in question, in any of its versions, but I hope that letter will give a few people pause to think ...


(ps I knew you'd be back!)

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 03 Mar 09 - 09:23 PM

dont watch it. trust me on that one.

and lol, yeah, i couldnt resist. i love pyschology, and kenny is an interesting case. so is the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: M.Ted
Date: 04 Mar 09 - 12:43 AM

No one who sees the video can mistake it for a "parody", because the victim is really afraid, and cries out in pain and terror repeatedly. The person who wrote the note above is quick to excuse the boys, and prefers to dwell on the "the real problem", which is the rest of the world.

As long as the family excuses the behavior, no matter what the legal punishments are, the boys will believe that they were not really wrong, and they'll continue with to play their "games". Next time, the victim may be a younger child, or an older person who is incapacitated, or someone isolated by their race or sexual orientation. These things don't just go away.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,Chambo
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 09:14 PM

^-- Stop quoting that Youtube troll who pretends to be kenny's momma, morons.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 10:00 PM

Who you callin' morons? C'mon, Chambo, put'm up ... ! No stinkin' guest calls me a moron in my own private club - c'mon let's go! You and me - right now!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 10:17 PM

lol!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 14 Mar 09 - 10:27 PM

(You got my back, right? I'm not really as tough as I look!)

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 20 Mar 09 - 11:42 PM

haha, no worries, i gotcha(:

jeez, this posting thing is near dead

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 12:49 AM

Yes - by now the world has forgotten all about this, and moved on to other grotesque events - there's no shortage of them ...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 01:01 PM

If the protesters only gathered and collated publicly-available facts, such as contact information, and brought the video(s?) and other facts to the attention of ASPCA and/or prosecutors, I'd hardly call it vigilantism.

That sounds to me like public-spirited citizenship, and I say "hooray".

If they went over the heads of the authorities, so to speak, and organized telephone and other harassment, then yes, that's vigilantism, and is culpable.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 21 Mar 09 - 04:36 PM

"grotesque events." i love the way u said that, thats clever(:

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,mudkips
Date: 01 Apr 09 - 06:38 PM

Kenny willingly put the video out there, along with his facebook/myspace pages. This allowed him to get caught.

The internet snoops did nothing illegal to gain this public information, and they handed evidence over to the police. They did nothing wrong and should be regarded as INTERNET SUPERHEROES.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 04:41 PM

that's the stupidest thing ive ever heard. well, yes, it can be looked at from that angle but honestly. kenny did something stupid, yes, but the internet snoops didn't have to act as catalyst in order to get him trouble. mmk?

besides, this subject is all over. no one shuns him anymore, he doesnt have anymore to honestly worry about at this point. he's still only a young kid.

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 03 Apr 09 - 05:08 PM

Do INTERNET SUPERHEROES get to wear capes? If so, where do I sign up? (Note: I've already got the leotards). (And the Speedo).

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 05 Apr 09 - 07:38 AM

"Caturday"?! Don't tell me I missed it again this year!

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 09:03 PM

lmao, meself, u rock(:

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: meself
Date: 06 Apr 09 - 11:45 PM

Anything to please the ladies; it's a weakness of mine ...

Subject: RE: BS: Kenny Glenn & internet vigilantism
From: GUEST,cherry
Date: 07 Apr 09 - 09:18 PM

haha, no seriously, ur hilarious.

i feel bad, we're lik totally advertising glenn when this is all over & done with.