Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Charley Noble Date: 26 Jan 12 - 08:00 AM "Lift up the top sheet and spanker!" Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 28 Jan 12 - 02:56 AM My first two attempts at Welsh chanties... Mochyn Du Hob-Y-Derri(n)-Dando |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 06 Feb 12 - 02:33 AM Kinda sorta almost done. A couple more. Rownd yr Horn Champagne Charlie (Whisky Ranzo) |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: GUEST,FloraG Date: 06 Feb 12 - 10:59 AM Hi Shantyfolks. My husband has a good voice for shanties, but sometimes were in a situation that the audiece don't know about joining in. so I suggested accompanying a few on the melodeon. We did drunken Sailor at the gig on tuesday and that worked well. Can you suggests a few other shanties that work well with accompaniement - especially on a basic melodeon averagely well played. FloraG |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Les from Hull Date: 06 Feb 12 - 02:43 PM I do Bold Riley with the box but not in full shanty style. Using the box moves a shanty away from a 'real' shanty into being an accompanied song, but there's nowt wrong with that. 'Leave her Johnny' also works pretty well. |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 10 Feb 12 - 03:28 AM FloraG, Hugill's collections contains most of the chanties we know to have existed. The good thing about my archive is that you can get a quick sense of what they all sound like--even if you don't care for my renditions. Just start one of the playlists and you can click through/forward to each new one after sampling the first few seconds. Bookmark the ones that sound do-able, then work up your own rendition! cheers 'Ranzo' |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 30 Mar 12 - 04:18 AM These are the very last chanties I have recorded, for a final completion of the project. Marching Through Georgia Maryland, My Maryland Donkey Riding I am going to continue recording chanties now and them, so of which will be "re-studies" that reflect my current style or interpretations, others of which will be chanties not contained in Hugill's tome. |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Charley Noble Date: 30 Mar 12 - 07:57 AM Gibb- Congratulations on completing this ambitious project! So do you remember all the lyrics or do you use a cheat-sheet? Will you make it to Mystic this year? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 30 Mar 12 - 03:57 PM Thanks, Charley! I don't remember all the lyrics I've ever learned in the past. They were all memorized at one point! However, if it is a song that requires specific lyrics (e.g. ballad type) they are quickly refreshed. Otherwise if it is a typical chanty, remembering some and improvising the rest is good enough! My attitude towards memorizing all those lyrics was to learn a "language" of sorts or to create a reservoir in the brain, on which I can draw when singing in the traditional improvised format. We all do this as we sing the many chanties, but this was perhaps more comprehensive and structured way of doing it. Mystik is yet a Mystery. |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: ChanteyLass Date: 31 Mar 12 - 12:36 AM I hope to see you at Mystic this year or in the near future. |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 01 Jul 12 - 05:45 AM Well, having finished the Shanties from the Seven Seas chanties, I am continuing to learn and record songs. Occasionally I am adding more current interpretations of the ones I'd done previously, and then just adding them to the playlists as "supplements." But the more interesting thing I'm doing is beginning to record and compile chanties that were not included in Hugill's volume. The goal, I suppose, is to cover all the known chanties. So, I've started a new playlist: Other Chanties and Sailor Songs I'm also just using the playlist as a place for non-chanty sailor songs that I occasionally might do. Here's a list of what's there so far. Rosabella (Caribbean version) We're All Surrounded (cotton-screwing chanty) Sun Down Below (chanty) John John Crow Lindy Lowe Slapandergosheka Shiny O Stand to Your Ground (from Whall) Christopher Columbo Dom Pedro The Leaving of Liverpool (ugh, hate this one!) Chicken on a Raft (a funky experiment) Paddy Works on the Railway (fiddle-me version) Old Maui (just something I'd sung chorus on a while back) Talcahuano Gals Boston Grog Time o' Day (Caribbean rowing song, early 19th century) |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Charley Noble Date: 01 Jul 12 - 06:53 AM Gibb- Don't neglect "Wake Up Susiana": click here for lyrics and MP3 Sample! I believe that I'm the only one who has sung that shanty in decades. Cheerily, Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: ChanteyLass Date: 01 Jul 12 - 07:23 PM Oh, my! Gibb, you have been busy! |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Sailor Ron Date: 02 Jul 12 - 12:01 PM Whilst I think 'Chicken on a raft' is a great song, you can hardley call it a shanty[not much call for a shanty on an A Class submarine]! |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 02 Jul 12 - 03:01 PM Ron-- That's why I've put the note "a funky experiment"!! ...and why the playlist is a dumping space for my odds and ends: "...and other sailor songs"! What actually happened is that one of my viewers on YouTube made the request that I do "Chicken on a Raft." I wasn't too keen on it, because my focus is traditional songs and especially shanties. But I also like the interactive side of things, and decided to honor the request with a compromise: I adapted the song so that it had a form and rhythm that was conducive to a chanty. So...while it is not a shanty in the sense of belonging to the documented repertoire of songs that were used for work, it is in the tradition of adapting songs for the purpose. |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 02 Jul 12 - 09:58 PM Thanks for the parody shanty, Charley! Now who was it that I heard had sung "Shake, Rattle, and Roll" at the halyards? |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 04 Jul 12 - 07:26 PM Latest additions: I Love the Blue Mountains Javanese chanteys Ring Down Below |
Subject: RE: Welcome to my Sea Chanteys/Shanties page From: Gibb Sahib Date: 15 Jul 12 - 08:54 PM Latest: Drive Her Captain (Caribbean chanty) The Bosun's Story Nancy Lee Doo Me Ama The Priest and the Nuns Adieu to Maimuna |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: ChrisJBrady Date: 22 Jul 12 - 04:54 PM Better than YouTube - British Pathe archives ... http://www.britishpathe.com/video/captains-as-deck-hands/query/shanty http://www.britishpathe.com/video/windjammer-shots/query/shanty Also see http://www.britishpathe.com/search/query/windjammer http://www.britishpathe.com/search/query/shanty |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 10 Aug 12 - 03:53 PM I made it a mission this summer to learn "all" of the chanties in F.P. Harlow's book. That is, all the chanty repertoire that I had not learned previously (e.g. that was not in Hugill's collection). The goal, at this point, was not to render each of Harlow's unique versions. If I had already done a song, say, "Rio Grande"—in whatever version—I did not learn Harlow's specific form. (Although, in the past when Hugill presented many textual variants with just one melody, I did sometimes utilize Harlow's melodies.) So what I was after here was just catching up on all the repertoire items not previously done. These included anything that Harlow indicated was a chanty. In learning them, however, I discovered that several songs mysteriously labeled as such were probably not chanties. It's not always clear why Harlow claimed they were. These are the remainder of items not already posted. They may not provide much entertainment value, but I hope they have some reference value for others exploring these lesser-known songs/variants, and they certainly had educational value for me in that I got a better sense of how Harlow cobbled together those last, funny sections of the book. "Japanese Short Drag" Darkie Sunday School Married to a Mermaid Dixie's Isle Aboard the Henry Clay It's Advertised in Boston The Greenland Whale |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: ChanteyLass Date: 10 Aug 12 - 10:00 PM You have been busy! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 08 Sep 12 - 05:05 PM Working on fragments and scattered versions... Nancy Rhee Rolling Down to Old Mohee Ho, O, Heave O Bound for South Australia (Hatfield) Way Down Low "Black although she be" "...wherever we might go" Tramp, Tramp, Tramp Walk Along Rosey |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 08 Sep 12 - 06:49 PM Great work, Gibb, particularly on "Ho Heave Ho" and "Black although she Be." |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 09 Sep 12 - 03:18 PM Thanks for the listen! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 27 Oct 12 - 01:49 AM Blow High, Blow Low Highland Day Unmooring |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Charley Noble Date: 27 Oct 12 - 08:55 AM How about "Windy Old Weather," to go along with the current storm sweeping up the East coast? Cheerily, Charley Noble |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: John Minear Date: 06 Dec 12 - 12:05 PM Here is a very fine version of "Mr. Stormalong" by Gibb. The instrumental piece that follows is very interesting as well. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTM9xGSMR5A |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 07 Dec 12 - 05:25 PM Ha! Thanks, John! I think the navy caps were the only clue for people of what I was singing, in this context. "to me way, you storm along/ hai hai hai mr. storm along" is not the most easily parsed chorus for people who have never heard it before! Gibb, stuck in dry dock in the Inland Empire. |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 09 Jan 13 - 12:35 AM Some of my singing at Mystic Sea Music festival, which is better representative of what I'd do "live" as opposed to what I do for the YouTube project: Roll and Go/Long Time Ago A Hundred Years Ago (shout outs to Rev Carr, John Minear, Charlie Ipcar, Salty Walt, Barry Finn, Rachel+Jeff) Shiny O Thanks to ShantyMart (Florida) for recording/uploading! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: ChanteyLass Date: 09 Jan 13 - 05:22 PM Great Job. Lots of fun watching and remembering. Your versions of A Hundred Years Ago are the reason I'll never reintroduce myself to you until after you've sung that song. I'm afraid of what you would rhyme with ChanteyLass! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 13 Jan 13 - 03:48 PM ChanteyLass-- I'd say you're first class! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: ChanteyLass Date: 13 Jan 13 - 08:41 PM Aw, shucks! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 14 Jan 13 - 03:26 AM Continuing to explore the chanty repertoire... Trying out some of the less-common Carpenter Collection items. Pull Down Below (went to church, went to chapel) Hoist Her Up from Down Below Here We Come Home in a Leaky Ship Haul Away Rosy, Rosy Haul Down in Those Valleys |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 20 Jan 13 - 04:59 AM London Julie Mommy-O Mind How You Swing Your Tail All for the Grog |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: John Minear Date: 20 Jan 13 - 08:33 AM These last four have been particularly good, and the notes are worth the read. |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: GUEST,Lighter Date: 20 Jan 13 - 09:42 AM Nice performances and really fascinating notes for us pedants. I heard Page's words as follows: How can I row the boat ashore without a paddle or an oar? Because I am a young thing so lately left my mummy-o. Mummy-o! daddy-o! Lately left my mummy-o! I cannot row the boat ashore without a paddle or an oar. Because I am a young thing so lately left my mummy-o. He sings it twice, but the final line is missing the second time through. Definitely "mummy," not "mommy." Shantiers: Page clearly sings possessive "my," not "me"! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 20 Feb 13 - 01:04 PM Fresh batch of less-common items: Fire Down Below (Wm. Fender) Louisiana Belle Juba, Mind the Bee Fire Away, Lilly, Come Down Below A-Humble Lee Fire Down Below (Sir Walter Scott?) Go Down Below, You Pretty Girls John's a Rookey Ookey Hoojin John / Mary's on the Island Kizee Makazee Ya (chanty) Victoria, Very Well Done, Jim Crow |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Lighter Date: 20 Feb 13 - 03:30 PM Here's how I hear Dwyer's "Louisiana Belle": Beefsteaks when you're hungry, Whisky when you're dry, Greenbacks when you're hard up, Sweet heaven when you die! Oh, the new road, a railroad, A river or canal; My love she is a kicker A Lou'siana belle! When I wake up in the mornin', And I look up in the sky, And I hear the n*****s roarin', Oh, how is that for high? Oh, a railroad, a steamboat, A river or canal; My love she is a kicker, A Lou'siana belle! It's hard to understand. Am least sure about "kicker." |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 20 Feb 13 - 04:24 PM Lighter, thanks! I personally can live with not knowing lots of the mystery word, except for one: "kicker"! I'm afraid that doesn't mean much to me. Does it make much sense to you, Lighter, or is it just what you're hearing? I did/do also hear "kicker," but it didn't scan for me meaning-wise, so I had to throw in my lot with "keeper" and do some rationalizing to let the rest make sense! That we both seem to agree on the phrase "Lou'siana belle" is some progress, at least! The currently available Carpenter materials have it filed as something like "Lucy Anna", which works a bit as a red herring, I think. |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 21 Feb 13 - 09:39 PM Lighter -- Any interest in more Carpenter recording deciphering -- check out the thread on "My Old Bandoliero." I believe I may have added a few clues to the lyrics of a tough-to-decipher song sung by Mark Page and variously listed as "I put my hand upon her toe" and "Victorio". More on the subject of this thread!: I've taken the liberty already of filling in gaps and rationalizing to create a rendition of the M. Page song -- "What is That My Dearie-O?" |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Lighter Date: 22 Feb 13 - 08:06 AM Gibb, some years ago I transcribed all the songs on the Carpenter CDs. A few were close to impossible but for scattered phrases. Will check "Victorio." |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Lighter Date: 22 Feb 13 - 09:55 PM James Dwyer: I put me hand unto her toe, Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow! Victoria, Victoria, Very well done Jim Crow! She said young man, you're goin' low, Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow! Victoria, Victoria, Very well done Jim Crow! I put my hand unto her knee, Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow! Victoria, Victoria, Very well done Jim Crow! She said young man, now let it be, Very well done, Jim Cro-o-ow! Victoria, Victoria, Very well done Jim Crow!. Belay! Andrew Salters, Greenock: Victorio! Victorio! Come villy villy vinkum wawkin doe! Victorio! Victorio! Victorio! Bam bam! (This sounds like "mouth music" of some kind, or else something based on Dutch or German or the like.) Mark Page, Sunderland: I put my hand upon her toe. What is this my dearie-o? That is my toe-tapper My own fa-derry-o. I put my hand upon her knee. What is that my dearie-o? That is my knee-knapper. My only own fa-derry-o. I put my hand upon her [heart?] What is that my dearie-o? She says young man you're going low, Coor da vassa my fa-derry-o. I put my hand upon her pussy What is this my dearie-o? She says it is my soft pincushion My own fa-derry-o. Sounds like Page was mixing up two styles or two songs: one the straight-out "hand upon.../ she says young man" and the other the "Gently Johnny My Jingalo" "toe-tapper,etc." business. The "going low" line is clearly out of order. The recording is extremely hard to decipher, but to my ear the above is substantially correct (including "pussy" and "pincushion"). I can't guess what "coor da vassa" might represent. This song really has nothing to do with the first two, whose "Victorio" connection is problematic anyway. Harvard's copyright prevents me from posting another 3-stz. version from JMC's doctoral dissertation that also came from Salters - but it is very similar to Dwyer's! The "chorus" of Dwyer's version appears in H. J. Webber's "Voyagers Companion and Adviser" (1885) with the sarcastic note, "very patriotic." There's another, unrelated stanza in the "Christian Science Journal" (Feb., 1888). The pulp writer Captain A. E. Dingle (of Bermuda) mentions the same chorus in 1935, with comment that the song was sung mostly by East Indiamen "half a century ago." |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Snuffy Date: 25 Feb 13 - 08:46 AM Salter's refrain is very similar to those in the German Doktor Eisenbart (and in the English translations thereof). |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Lighter Date: 25 Feb 13 - 09:27 AM Brilliant, Snuffy! Some of the "Eisenbart" refrains even sound like "Victorio/a"! |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 25 Feb 13 - 11:49 AM Thanks for sharing your transcriptions, Lighter! I was mainly curious to see what you thought about the Mark Page song (which I don't think belongs with "Victoria" at all - the Folktrax compilers just labeled it such), and whether my suggestion of a connection to "My Old Bandoliero" could add anything to it. Thanks for the others as well. Good to hear some more about "Victoria," too, and thanks for making that "Doctor Eisenbart" connection, Snuffy! If you guys haven't yet seen/heard the Swedish versions, I will just note that they have the chorus just like "Eisenbart." This is indeed why I wondered in my YouTube notes whether these Scandinavian (/German) forms were imitations of an un-scannable English chorus of vise versa. (Links to renditions of these can be found by searching this thread under "Halarvisa" and "Kom till mig".) |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 04 Mar 13 - 03:17 AM More studies... Poor Little Liza Eliza, Don't Say So Hilo Johnnie Hilo |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Snuffy Date: 04 Mar 13 - 10:43 AM According to the online index Carpenter believed Victorio to be of Scandinavian origin: his note states 'A Danish Chantey, very good one.' Incidentally, I have two competing theories about who (or what) Victorio was. Initially I identified an Apache chief of that name who was hunted down and "neutralised" in the 1880s by the Buffalo Soldiers of the 9th and 10th Cavalry. This led me to surmise that "very well done, Jim Crow" might be praising these black regiments However, I subsequently found the following in Wikipedia which might push the origin of the song back a further 40 years. Thomas Dartmouth Rice's successful song-and-dance number, "Jump Jim Crow," brought blackface performance to a new level of prominence in the early 1830s. At the height of Rice's success, The Boston Post wrote, "The two most popular characters in the world at the present are [Queen] Victoria and Jim Crow."[12]. Both seem possible: any opinions? |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Lighter Date: 04 Mar 13 - 01:20 PM Clever detecting, Snuffy. I feel, however, that the conjunction of the Apache Victorio and "Jim Crow" is coincidental. The reason is that however appealing the story of Apaches vs. "Buffalo Soldiers" might be to us, the "Victorio Campaign" in New Mexico wasn't prominent enough in the news nationally (or internationally) to result in a sea shanty. It was a given that the U.S. army was constantly fighting Indians on the "Great American Desert," and except for a sensational event like the Little Big Horn, not much newsprint was devoted to it other than locally. On the other hand, Thomas Rice's "Jim Crow" minstrel performance really was an international smash and was popular for many years. My guess is that the shanty refers to the "Jim Crow" stage character, and the "Victoria" is the Queen. If there really is a Danish connection, the pronunciation "Victorio" may reflect non English speakers singing the name out with an "-aw" rather than an "-ah." Compare "Santy Anna" and "Santy Anno." If the shanty arose only in 1880, it would be surprising that Carpenter stumbled upon a couple of elderly seamen who knew it, while Hugill and other collectors appear never to have encountered it. In other words, its vogue may have been quite early. As usual, nothing is provable here, but I doubt very much that sailors in either Britain or North America had enough interest in either the Apache Victorio or the "Buffalo Soldiers" to make a song about them. |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Gibb Sahib Date: 04 Mar 13 - 02:44 PM I realize I may be making a gross assumption, but my feeling has been that the TD Rice "Jim Crow" connection was so likely (if not "obvious," for those familiar with it) that it could go almost without saying. That being said, while I believe the "Jim Crow" is a trope that originates with Daddy Rice, its occurrence in this specific song doesn't clinch any particular origin. At this point, I think English speaking singers could have slapped on "Jim Crow" (i.e. the floating phrase of minstrelsy) as a way of rationalizing incomprehensible or nonsense Swedish. Just as the nonsense in the Swedish versions could have been a way of dealing with the unfamiliar "jim crow." Given the Swedish (/Danish, accord. to Carpenter) and German connections, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bit more that can be said about the song after exploring those channels. Sternvall (the Swedish chanty collection editor) attributed one version to 1875. On the level of text -- that is, ignoring the issue of what was historically and culturally likely -- *I* think it may be easiest to imagine the song starting off as a a Scandinavian or German one. |
Subject: RE: Sea Chanteys/Shanties page-Gibb Sahib From: Lighter Date: 04 Mar 13 - 07:20 PM Dingle's version appeared some years earlier in the Saturday Evening Post (Oct. 7, 1922). That would place it back into the 1870s, at least in his opinion. Of greater significance is a song in F. C. Burnand's one-act "Venus and Adonis" (London: Lacy,[?1864]), p. 14 to the "Air, Werry well done, Jim Crow." Jupiter sings: A bachelor's life is very nice Werry well without JunO! Before I'd marry I'd think twice, Werry well without JunO! Uproarious and glorious, And werry well without JunO-O-O! Uproarious and glorious, And werry well without JunO! There's more, but that's the gist of it. Burnand included a second parody of "Werry well done, Jim Crow" later in 1864 in his burleaque "Snow-Drop" (London: Lacy). "Werry" suggests a Cockney song, but it might just as easily have been lame "n***** dialect." I haven't found any trace of the original. song. |
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